Rumor: 2023-24 Trade Rumors and Free Agency: Season Thread

[Foppa2118]

It's not just age with Toews or Kadri. They were reportedly willing to sign Kadri for a number in the $6M's. They also said they offered many different contracts with different terms.

It's age + big cap hit + long term deal.

If they were a few years younger they'd probably be ok with a big cap hit on a long term deal. If they didn't want as big a cap hit, they'd probably be ok with their age on a long term. If they were willing to sign a short 2 year deal, they'd probably be ok with both their age and a big cap hit.

We'll see how this plays out, but Toews walking was always a lot more likely than him staying. If you crunch the numbers, re-signing him just makes it extremely tough in 2025-26, even if they trade Manson, trade Girard, use Colton as 2C, and go with a cheap bottom 6.

If they keep Toews, they might be forced to lose Mikko to UFA or trade Byram. Both of which are more important to the Avs future IMO than Toews, though he fits perfectly on this team, and has been a great mentor for Cale.

 

[The Kingslayer]

It's not just age with Toews or Kadri. They were reportedly willing to sign Kadri for a number in the $6M's. They also said they offered many different contracts with different terms.

It's age + big cap hit + long term deal.

If they were a few years younger they'd probably be ok with a big cap hit on a long term deal. If they didn't want as big a cap hit, they'd probably be ok with their age on a long term. If they were willing to sign a short 2 year deal, they'd probably be ok with both their age and a big cap hit.

We'll see how this plays out, but Toews walking was always a lot more likely than him staying. If you crunch the numbers, re-signing him just makes it extremely tough in 2025-26, even if they trade Manson, trade Girard, use Colton as 2C, and go with a cheap bottom 6.

If they keep Toews, they might be forced to lose Mikko to UFA or trade Byram. Both of which are more important to the Avs future IMO than Toews, though he fits perfectly on this team, and has been a great mentor for Cale.

I been bracing for this scenario ever since Bo was drafted.

 

[Foppa2118]

I been bracing for this scenario ever since Bo was drafted.

Since they traded for Toews you probably mean. I agree. They didn't really plan on trading for him. He just fell in their lap with the Isles cap situation and it was too good to pass up.

 

[expatriatedtexan]

Wonder if CMac can manage to flip Toews between the Stanley Cup parade and July 1st and at least get some asset management done.

 

[lionsDen]

way

They all wanna stay till someone offers them a few extra years. If I was Toews I would go to the highest bidder. This will be his first and last big contract. Cash in and secure the bag for your kids kids kids.

With the way the inflation is going it might buy his kids kids kids a loaf of bread

 

[Avsboy]

Wonder if CMac can manage to flip Toews between the Stanley Cup parade and July 1st and at least get some asset management done.

He’ll have that Stanley Cup sheen on him

 

[Bill Peckerskull]

 

[BobRossColton]

Thomson could be interesting, but it might be too early in the waiver wire claiming.

 

[the_fan]

I keep hearing Avs need to claim a goalie and a D or whatnot. With what cap space are they claiming all that? They only have 525K

 

[Pierce Hawthorne]

I keep hearing Avs need to claim a goalie and a D or whatnot. With what cap space are they claiming all that? They only have 525K

Thay have 525k with Annunen/Francouz on the roster.

 

[Bill Peckerskull]

Thay have 525k with Annunen/Francouz on the roster.

And with both Meyers and Olofsson on the roster.

 

[the_fan]

Thay have 525k with Annunen/Francouz on the roster.

So without Annunen they have what? 1.2 mill or something? Even if they get a goalie for league minimum, they won’t have enough to do anything else unless they get rid of someone else from roster

 

[BobRossColton]

Trade dermy for future considerations, frees up 985k

 

[Pierce Hawthorne]

So without Annunen they have what? 1.2 mill or something? Even if they get a goalie for league minimum, they won’t have enough to do anything else unless they get rid of someone else from roster

I mean... league minimum is 775k. They would still have 500k in space. At the deadline, that would be plenty.


Also keep in mind Francouz potentially being on LTIR.

And with both Meyers and Olofsson on the roster.

Ya exactly. Basically they have 525k in space at s full 23 man roster.

 

[UncleRisto]

Thomson plays for the Bustville Senators.

 

[Lonewolfe2015]

Committing 7 million to a 35+ contract for a defenseman. That can only go well...

It makes sense the Avs don't want to go past 5 years. 35+ contracts are a nightmare waiting to happen.

It makes no sense to me that they were so smart with Kadri, and they're going to be so stupid with Toews.

I've said it for awhile, but Toews reminds me of Rafalski. Who aged very gracefully. I could see the same thing if Toews plays next to Makar for awhile and then anchors our 2nd pairing. His game is cerebral, not about physical capabilities.

 

[KraftD]

Lassi Thomson is worth a claim IMO

 

[Gumballhead]

Lassi Thomson is worth a claim IMO

I’m for it just so we can call him Mango.

 

[Tommy Shelby]

Lassi Thomson is worth a claim IMO

Unless he can PK we don't need him

 

[Balthazar]

Our friend Justin Barron is getting absolutely grilled today in Montreal press.

I ran the article through Google translate because I'm too lazy to do it:

We have seen proof of this too often since the Canadian acquired his services from the Colorado Avalanche in exchange for Artturi Lehkonen. We will have to wait to see what becomes of the second round pick in 2024 that the Canadian also obtained in this transaction. But for the moment, the return is far from being enough.

Friday night, Justin Barron, like his teammates, screwed up a lot of plays over the 20 shifts he made during the match.

Because he will only be 21 years old on November 15 and because he is only entering his third season in the professional ranks, we can forgive him for many mistakes.

We must even forgive him.

What is impossible to forgive, however, is the fact that he plays with the end of the stick as soon as there is buzz around him. The fact that he loses his one-on-one battles without really giving the impression of wanting to fight them. The fact that he displays a nonchalance that is impossible for anyone to forgive. Even less to a young person who is still far from having proven that he is truly a hope.

Asked about Justin Barron's night at work, Martin St-Louis refused to directly blame his young defender, preferring to spread the blame across the entire team.

It's understandable.

But I am convinced that Martin St-Louis, his assistants, the members of the staff and the coaching staff of the farm club will refuse to turn a blind eye to the fact that Barron refused to impose himself in a battle one on one in the middle period against Tyler Bertuzzi.

It was deep in Canadian territory. In the corner to the left of Cayden Primeau. The puck was there. Barron was closest to the puck. With one hand, without even forcing, Bertuzzi pushed Barron out of the play to grab the puck and try to orchestrate a threat.

Yes, Bertuzzi is fiery. But on the play, he didn't even have to be as Barron allowed himself to be pushed down without offering the slightest resistance. The slightest conviction.

Seeing the game taking place under the press gallery I heard the voice of the former Canadian coach Michel Therrien who, in his own English, described the players who were losing as “soffffes” and not “soft”. too often their one-on-one fights, or worse, who refused to fight them.

Beyond his physique and all the talent that resides within him, Justin Barron has a place of his own in the category of soft players, even too soft, or “soffffes” if you prefer Michel Therrien's expression. He will have to quickly take the means to chase away this reputation firmly attached to his name otherwise he himself will waste the immense potential that resides within him.

 

[JLo217]

Our friend Justin Barron is getting absolutely grilled today in Montreal press.

I ran the article through Google translate because I'm too lazy to do it:

We have seen proof of this too often since the Canadian acquired his services from the Colorado Avalanche in exchange for Artturi Lehkonen. We will have to wait to see what becomes of the second round pick in 2024 that the Canadian also obtained in this transaction. But for the moment, the return is far from being enough.

Friday night, Justin Barron, like his teammates, screwed up a lot of plays over the 20 shifts he made during the match.

Because he will only be 21 years old on November 15 and because he is only entering his third season in the professional ranks, we can forgive him for many mistakes.

We must even forgive him.

What is impossible to forgive, however, is the fact that he plays with the end of the stick as soon as there is buzz around him. The fact that he loses his one-on-one battles without really giving the impression of wanting to fight them. The fact that he displays a nonchalance that is impossible for anyone to forgive. Even less to a young person who is still far from having proven that he is truly a hope.

Asked about Justin Barron's night at work, Martin St-Louis refused to directly blame his young defender, preferring to spread the blame across the entire team.

It's understandable.

But I am convinced that Martin St-Louis, his assistants, the members of the staff and the coaching staff of the farm club will refuse to turn a blind eye to the fact that Barron refused to impose himself in a battle one on one in the middle period against Tyler Bertuzzi.

It was deep in Canadian territory. In the corner to the left of Cayden Primeau. The puck was there. Barron was closest to the puck. With one hand, without even forcing, Bertuzzi pushed Barron out of the play to grab the puck and try to orchestrate a threat.

Yes, Bertuzzi is fiery. But on the play, he didn't even have to be as Barron allowed himself to be pushed down without offering the slightest resistance. The slightest conviction.

Seeing the game taking place under the press gallery I heard the voice of the former Canadian coach Michel Therrien who, in his own English, described the players who were losing as “soffffes” and not “soft”. too often their one-on-one fights, or worse, who refused to fight them.

Beyond his physique and all the talent that resides within him, Justin Barron has a place of his own in the category of soft players, even too soft, or “soffffes” if you prefer Michel Therrien's expression. He will have to quickly take the means to chase away this reputation firmly attached to his name otherwise he himself will waste the immense potential that resides within him.

Wait til they lean into Newhook

 

[UncleRisto]

Unless he can PK we don't need him

Of course he can't.

 

[nammerus]

Our friend Justin Barron is getting absolutely grilled today in Montreal press.

I ran the article through Google translate because I'm too lazy to do it:

We have seen proof of this too often since the Canadian acquired his services from the Colorado Avalanche in exchange for Artturi Lehkonen. We will have to wait to see what becomes of the second round pick in 2024 that the Canadian also obtained in this transaction. But for the moment, the return is far from being enough.

Friday night, Justin Barron, like his teammates, screwed up a lot of plays over the 20 shifts he made during the match.

Because he will only be 21 years old on November 15 and because he is only entering his third season in the professional ranks, we can forgive him for many mistakes.

We must even forgive him.

What is impossible to forgive, however, is the fact that he plays with the end of the stick as soon as there is buzz around him. The fact that he loses his one-on-one battles without really giving the impression of wanting to fight them. The fact that he displays a nonchalance that is impossible for anyone to forgive. Even less to a young person who is still far from having proven that he is truly a hope.

Asked about Justin Barron's night at work, Martin St-Louis refused to directly blame his young defender, preferring to spread the blame across the entire team.

It's understandable.

But I am convinced that Martin St-Louis, his assistants, the members of the staff and the coaching staff of the farm club will refuse to turn a blind eye to the fact that Barron refused to impose himself in a battle one on one in the middle period against Tyler Bertuzzi.

It was deep in Canadian territory. In the corner to the left of Cayden Primeau. The puck was there. Barron was closest to the puck. With one hand, without even forcing, Bertuzzi pushed Barron out of the play to grab the puck and try to orchestrate a threat.

Yes, Bertuzzi is fiery. But on the play, he didn't even have to be as Barron allowed himself to be pushed down without offering the slightest resistance. The slightest conviction.

Seeing the game taking place under the press gallery I heard the voice of the former Canadian coach Michel Therrien who, in his own English, described the players who were losing as “soffffes” and not “soft”. too often their one-on-one fights, or worse, who refused to fight them.

Beyond his physique and all the talent that resides within him, Justin Barron has a place of his own in the category of soft players, even too soft, or “soffffes” if you prefer Michel Therrien's expression. He will have to quickly take the means to chase away this reputation firmly attached to his name otherwise he himself will waste the immense potential that resides within him.

Another banner Avs 1st round pick. It’s actually impressive how incompetent the amateur scouting group is. Pretty crazy OO might be even more useless, since we can’t even really trade him for anything at this point.

 

[Avaholic29]

Another banner Avs 1st round pick. It’s actually impressive how incompetent the amateur scouting group is. Pretty crazy OO might be even more useless, since we can’t even really trade him for anything at this point.

OO has looked pretty good in camp, I’d give him a year or two before claiming bust. Definitely tough seeing guys like stankoven and knies going after though lol

 

[MacKaRant]

Lassi Thomson is worth a claim IMO

I think he was the guy Newhook walked for the best goal of his career so far.