Rumor: 2023-24 Trade Rumors and Free Agency: Part Deux

[myperbixhurts]

He's trolling you. Hes a Habs troll from the main boards. He very much thinks Monahan will fetch a 1st.

Based on what Monahan will fetch a 1st? He’s been injured, he hasn’t had more than 28 points since 2019-2020 season when he had 48, and he’s only on pace for 50 points this year which is just a pace. If anyone gives a 1st for him they’re stupid

 

[Pierce Hawthorne]

Based on what Monahan will fetch a 1st? He’s been injured, he hasn’t had more than 28 points since 2019-2020 season when he had 48, and he’s only on pace for 50 points this year which is just a pace. If anyone gives a 1st for him they’re stupid

It's funny how you flip the script to fit your narrative. First it was "He's on pace for 50 points and only carries a $2M cap hit" now he hasn't score more than 28 points since Covid.


He's a good two way Center on a very affordable cap hit. The Center aspect alone gives him decent value.

If he stays healthy until the deadline and maintains a ~55 point pace(Which is a huge key here given his history), he's going to be worth the typical 2nd round pick + B/C level prospect. The issue for the Avs is we don't have any 2nd round picks until 2026. So for us to outbid other teams, it will cost us a 1st.


Most likely he gets a 2nd+ just won't be with us. If we end up getting him, our 1st is probably going the other way because that's the only piece we have to outbid everyone else involved.

 

[myperbixhurts]

It's funny how you flip the script to fit your narrative. First it was "He's on pace for 50 points and only carries a $2M cap hit" now he hasn't score more than 28 points since Covid.


He's a good two way Center on a very affordable cap hit. The Center aspect alone gives him decent value.

If he stays healthy until the deadline and maintains a ~55 point pace, he's going to be worth the typical 2nd round pick + B/C level prospect. The issue for the Avs is we don't have any 2nd round picks until 2026. So for us to outbid other teams, it will cost us a 1st.


Most likely he gets a 2nd+ just won't be with us. If we end up getting him, our 1st is probably going the other way because that's the only piece we have to outbid everyone else involved.

Im not flipping the script, I would like to have Monahan if RyJo isn’t gonna produce but wouldn’t give up a 1st. That’s all I’m saying. If I’m gonna trade a 1st, I rather add to it and get someone like Lindholm instead

 

[Pierce Hawthorne]

Im not flipping the script, I would like to have Monahan if RyJo isn’t gonna produce but wouldn’t give up a 1st. That’s all I’m saying. If I’m gonna trade a 1st, I rather add to it and get someone like Lindholm instead

Ok sure. I agree I'd rather get a better player.

But I'm just saying Monahan isn't going to be cheap if he actually stays healthy. And if you have to take into consideration the assets the Avs have when thinning about trades. We don't have any 2nd round picks until 2026 so basically if we want to get a legit middle 6 Center option it will cost us a 1st.

 

[Avaholic29]

Im not flipping the script, I would like to have Monahan if RyJo isn’t gonna produce but wouldn’t give up a 1st. That’s all I’m saying. If I’m gonna trade a 1st, I rather add to it and get someone like Lindholm instead

Should be all in on lindholm even as a rental.

 

[myperbixhurts]

Ok sure. I agree I'd rather get a better player.

But I'm just saying Monahan isn't going to be cheap if he actually stays healthy. And if you have to take into consideration the assets the Avs have when thinning about trades. We don't have any 2nd round picks until 2026 so basically if we want to get a legit middle 6 Center option it will cost us a 1st.

That’s true. Avs are known to overpay to get players at the trade deadline. Like 2nd for Eller, so I wouldn’t be surprised if they paid a 1st for Monahan since they don’t have a 2nd if they really wanted Monahan. Although Avs love to keep their 1sts more than their 2nds. They give away 2nd round picks like candy

 

[Pierce Hawthorne]

That’s true. Avs are known to overpay to get players at the trade deadline. Like 2nd for Eller, so I wouldn’t be surprised if they paid a 1st for Monahan since they don’t have a 2nd if they really wanted Monahan. Although Avs love to keep their 1sts more than their 2nds. They give away 2nd round picks like candy

Yeah the Eller trade is sort of an example of a couple things. It shows the value of Centers at the trade deadline but also it shows that you have to overpay if you don't have a lot of good assets available. IIRC Avs didn't have a 3rd round pick to offer for Eller and the only 2nd they had was 3 years away so hence they had to overpay just to get a 3/4C.

For Monahan, if he stays healthy a 2026 2nd simply won't be enough from us. If we had our 2024 2nd, that would probably be close with maybe a prospect like Olausson or Meyers thrown in. But without a 2024 2nd it'll cost us that 1st to outbid everyone else.


And just as you said, at that point the Avs should just pay the extra cost to get a legit 2C like Lindholm instead.

 

[Jazzguitar]

I'm not talking to him but I still see his posts. It is way too entertaining to see him show up as soon as the Avs lose. I have this picture in my head of nammerus watching the games. He sits at his computer, drooling, his hands above the keyboard and waiting anxiously for the Avs to blow the game. When they do he starts yelling "Finally. That's my cue. That's my cue. Here I go!!!!!!!!"

I literally had this exact same picture in my head lol, you couldn’t have explained it better.

 

[EdAVSfan]

Sean Monahan is on a 49 point pace.

He’s also on 26 even strength point pace.
He might get a small uptick from Montreal to Colorado.

But I’ve read for weeks and weeks that even strength production is what mattered.

 

[lionsDen]

Well we better make sure to get it done this year. Do what it takes. I’d just prefer someone who isn’t known for his injuries to go to a team that’s known for its injuries

 

[Gumballhead]

There was a lot of good conversation today about MacFarland and Bednar not being aligned. It certainly has seemed that way.

But between MacFarland’s vision simply being the bargain bin and Bednar wanting guys who play a certain way, does the logical solution become having two Cs like Colton?

With that framework, a wing like Vatrano starts to make more sense.

His style and rat face are giving me Mike Ricci vibes, so yeah. The next generation!

What do you mean...'what farm' ????
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We spend time talking about edge work when we could be talking about Middleton's wedgie work.

(Still cracking up when Moser says "nice edge work by ____________" lately like someone gave him a new meaningless thing to say that makes him seem like he knows something about hockey)

 

[redacted]

Monahan never stays healthy. adding him to a team with one of the most conservative injury staffs sounds like a recipe for disaster.

Also have people seen him move around the ice lately?

 

[The Abusement Park]

Sean Monahan is on a 49 point pace.

He’s also on 26 even strength point pace.
He might get a small uptick from Montreal to Colorado.

But I’ve read for weeks and weeks that even strength production is what mattered.

Even strength points do matter. That’s not the issue with Monahan… even if somehow he didn’t spontaneously combust here the dude can’t skate and we‘ve seen how RyJo looks in Bednars system.

 

[John Mandalorian]

Monahan never stays healthy. adding him to a team with one of the most conservative injury staffs sounds like a recipe for disaster.

Also have people seen him move around the ice lately?

Nevertheless, LeBrun linked Monahan to the Avs last year. It’s unlikely but watch this be the one time MacFarland trades a first. At least he’s cheap right?

 

[redacted]

Nevertheless, LeBrun linked Monahan to the Avs last year. It’s unlikely but watch this be the one time MacFarland trades a first. At least he’s cheap right?

Oh I believe the Avs had interest and could again (just look at the other names they've been linked to), but that doesn't mean he should be pined for.

If CMac pays a first for Monahan after this RyJo experiment... I'd jump over to the fire CMac side pretty quickly.

 

[myperbixhurts]

Forget Monahan, the more I think about it, the more I don’t think he’s the answer, mainly because of the injuries. So how do we trade for Lindholm and include RyJo in the deal? And can we the fans make this deal? because I don’t think CMac is going to

 

[John Mandalorian]

Oh I believe the Avs had interest and could again (just look at the other names they've been linked to), but that doesn't mean he should be pined for.

If CMac pays a first for Monahan after this RyJo experiment... I'd jump over to the fire CMac side pretty quickly.

It’s unlikely but it wouldn’t be shocking, unfortunately.

 

[redacted]

Forget Monahan, the more I think about it, the more I don’t think he’s the answer, mainly because of the injuries. So how do we trade for Lindholm and include RyJo in the deal? And can we the fans make this deal? because I don’t think CMac is going to

The bigger issue than the trade cost (1st + Goulash/Ritchie + young roster player/ B/C prospect + cap dump) with Lindholm is the contract cost. This is a Horvat situation where he's going to look to sign his big payday off this deal and will be paid a similar amount. Not sure how the Avs swing that.

 

[Ararana]

I'm all for Lindholm as a rental. The Avs have to win now before Mikko's contract is up and they're not going to do it without a 2C.

 

[redacted]

I'm all for Lindholm as a rental. The Avs have to win now before Mikko's contract is up and they're not going to do it without a 2C.

The rub is other teams will pay a higher price than the Avs as a rental to acquire him. My bet is Lindholm ends up in Winnipeg or Boston.

 

[BaconNater]

Hope Cmac gets in a bidding war with the leafs for Ristolainen and loses!(which losing means not getting Risto to avoid confusion)

 

[redacted]

Hope Cmac gets in a bidding war with the leafs for Ristolainen and loses!(which losing means not getting Risto to avoid confusion)

Good thing you clarified as the real loser is whoever ends up with Ristolainen.

 

[Balthazar]

Good thing you clarified as the real loser is whoever ends up with Ristolainen.

I remember the hype around him after his first couple of seasons in the NHL.

 

[redacted]

I remember the hype around him after his first couple of seasons in the NHL.

Every high 1st round defensemen has this... reminds me of somebody, though I can't place who....

 

[Balthazar]

Every high 1st round defensemen has this... reminds me of somebody, though I can't place who....

Not Byram or Zadorov if that's who you were thinking of.

Tyler Myers perhaps...same team too.