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Rumor: 2023-24 Trade Rumors and Free Agency: Part Deux

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expatriatedtexan said:
I think Kasparaitis might be the player I was most excited about the team getting but then ultimately regretted the move. I don't know if the coaching staff neutered him or not but he was not physical here.
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He was actually a good defenseman for the Avs, they just didn't let him move out of position and take runs at guys like he was used to in NY and Pittsburgh. I guess maybe he didn't love it either because he signed with the Rangers immediately afterward.

The thing that bothered me about that move was that they doubled down on defense when it was scoring and a profound lack of depth up front that was their biggest issue. Even with those problems though, they were still only one Roy gaffe away from probably winning another Cup.
 
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Ararana said:
If Perry could help, then yes. I sign f***ing Todd Bertuzzi if it helped the Avs win another cup.
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This. I think I've said it before but I don't really care about the players themselves on the team. I've seen enough players come and go as a fan for the last 20 years that I've realized it's the team that matters.


With a few exceptions of course.
 
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Balthazar said:
Easy to explain. He plays with RyJo who has 1 assist in 21 games.

He's literally a top 6 center with 1 assist in 21 games.
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Maybe it's the fact that Johansen is playing with Drouin and Tatar as to why he only has 1 assist??
 
Pokecheque said:
IMO he never should have signed that long-term deal. Don't know if he was spooked a little because of that injury he suffered his rookie season or what, but he should've taken a short term deal and basically put the Oilers on notice, you have 2 or so seasons to get your shit together or I'm gone. And he would've absolutely cashed in no matter what after that.

Mind you, I don't think he's ENTIRELY free from blame, but I also don't think he's some total headcase either. It's nothing less than a clown organization's gross incompetence that's prevented them from building a proper team or even a reasonable facsimile thereof around him.
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Doesn't make sense for an NHL player no matter how good he is to force himself to another team. Imagine if Ovi had done this after losing to Crosby year after year. If the team is flat out ignoring its needs and not trying to get better that's one thing but its not what's going on with the Oilers. The only other time it makes sense is if he's a pending free agent and has made it clear he's not signing again. Then send him at TDL to a contender and he gets a shot there but good luck finding a team giving up anywhere near the assets.

I don't think the money or the organization is 100% the problem. Its probably a mix of them both. If he made less they could spend on more resources, of course it could all just go to a Nurse contract. If he makes more, it has to be on a team that is loaded with young cheap talent and the Oilers have no way to get there because they aren't drafting high and have most spots spoken for.

Fact is the Oilers are a playoff team every year with these guys and they just have to keep taking their shots at it. No way out there to guarantee yourself a Cup, you just earn it by having things fall into place.
 
Pokecheque said:
I'm not sure what felt weirder, having Brad May in an Avs uniform, Bryan Marchment, or Devan Dubnyk.
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It's probably just recency bias, but Dubs here was just weird.

Actually enjoy his commentary on NHLN though. Goalies really do make good TV personalities. 😆
 
willy702 said:
Doesn't make sense for an NHL player no matter how good he is to force himself to another team. Imagine if Ovi had done this after losing to Crosby year after year. If the team is flat out ignoring its needs and not trying to get better that's one thing but its not what's going on with the Oilers. The only other time it makes sense is if he's a pending free agent and has made it clear he's not signing again. Then send him at TDL to a contender and he gets a shot there but good luck finding a team giving up anywhere near the assets.

I don't think the money or the organization is 100% the problem. Its probably a mix of them both. If he made less they could spend on more resources, of course it could all just go to a Nurse contract. If he makes more, it has to be on a team that is loaded with young cheap talent and the Oilers have no way to get there because they aren't drafting high and have most spots spoken for.

Fact is the Oilers are a playoff team every year with these guys and they just have to keep taking their shots at it. No way out there to guarantee yourself a Cup, you just earn it by having things fall into place.
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Unless he pulled a LeBron and actually demanded the Oilers hire Jeff Jackson as the president (and now apparently GM) then yes, he's a big part of the problem. But there's no indication 97 actually asked them to do that. Just seems, at least to me, like yet another clumsy and panicky gesture from ownership to appease an increasingly frustrated franchise player.

And just *trying* to win don't mean shit if you keep hiring gloriously incompetent general managers to do it. Peter Chiarelli was unbelievably bad, and Holland actually hasn't been that much better, much to my surprise.

Again, never, not once has McDavid had a legit starting goaltender or true #1 franchise defenseman playing behind him. I'd even argue their depth at center is not as good as people think it is, even with that guy atop it. As for his cap hit, that's not the real problem when they've got somewhere around $5 million tending goal in Bakersfield and Nurse is making more than Cale Makar. I will say I think Draisaitl is overpaid but no egregiously so. Still, there's an argument to be had that even a GM of average abilities would have a much better roster built around those two.
 
Since Calgary is giving away players for cheap, CMac needs to call them. Get Tanev for like 3rd round pick or something
 
The Abusement Park said:
I mean yeah the oilers have been a futile mess for like the last 20 years, but the best player in the league is clearly the issue.
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Makar plays for the Avs.

See the video I posted earlier, Cale wanted the puck, McDavid- not so much. He's got no heart, no dog in him.

There's a story about Gretzky- after the oil got swept by Isles in the Cup Finals Wayne was observing the Islander players and saw how beat up they were at the end of the playoffs. He recognized how hard they worked to win their 4th Consecutive Cup, how much they sacrificed with their own body's to win. Gretzky then recognized what it takes to win.

McDavid has not learned this important lesson, everything comes relatively easy for him in the regular season, but the playoffs are different. Remember when MacK got pissed about not winning?

Ararana said:
If Perry could help, then yes. I sign f***ing Todd Bertuzzi if it helped the Avs win another cup.
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FVCK NO. That POS should still be in jail for assault.
 
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