Rumor: 2023-24 Trade Rumors and Free Agency: Part Deux

[JH21]

Yes it isn't. That 1 million goes a long way. Especially with our 2C need. The 3rd line hasn't been a problem at all this year, when they've been able to play 3rd line minutes. I'd even argue it was on of the better 3rd lines in the NHL. The problem continues to be our 2C failing this team. If fact I'll argue that it's better because Cmac can't ignore the issue now. We need a real 2C and there's no way around it. We won't have Compher's dumb ass there to be a pretend 2C only to ghost us in the playoffs again.

Did you miss the part where I said we should have signed Kadri for 2C and Compher for 3C instead of Johansen and Colton? At least Compher can move up the lineup if needed unlike Colton.

We could have signed Kadri for 8 x 49 (6.125m per) and he is 10x the player Johansen is and not have re-signed Manson. Girard would have to be moved for futures but I think that's a easy trade to make.

Plus, we could have kept our 37th OA pick and drafted winger Ethan Gauthier.

Letting Evan Rodriquez go was stupidity too. He could have been kept at 3 mil per.

We would be thin on the backend but still have 3 guys who can play 20+ minutes a night and we have Behrens and Gulyayev as top prospects who are ready soon.

Sign:

Kadri 8 x 6.125m
Compher 5 x 5.1m
Rodriques 4 x 3m
Wood 6 x 2.5m

Even with Landeskog it works.

Lehkonen- Mackinnon- Rantanen
Landeskog- Kadri- Nichushkin
Drouin- Compher- Rodriques
Wood- Cogliano- O'Connor

Toews - Makar
Byram - Malinski
Johnson - MacDermid

Georgiev
Prosvetov

Its tight with $225,000 in cap space but it can be done.

That team is 100x better than what we have now. It's not even close. That is a scary forward group.

 

[Chiarelli]

Byram who was great in the cup run specially game 6?

never forget

 

[Murzu]

Did you miss the part where I said we should have signed Kadri for 2C and Compher for 3C instead of Johansen and Colton? At least Compher can move up the lineup if needed unlike Colton.

We could have signed Kadri for 8 x 49 (6.125m per) and he is 10x the player Johansen is and not have re-signed Manson. Girard would have to be moved for futures but I think that's a easy trade to make.

Plus, we could have kept our 37th OA pick and drafted winger Ethan Gauthier.

Letting Evan Rodriquez go was stupidity too. He could have been kept at 3 mil per.

We would be thin on the backend but still have 3 guys who can play 20+ minutes a night and we have Behrens and Gulyayev as top prospects who are ready soon.

Sign:

Kadri 8 x 6.125m
Compher 5 x 5.1m
Rodriques 4 x 3m
Wood 6 x 2.5m

Even with Landeskog it works.

Lehkonen- Mackinnon- Rantanen
Landeskog- Kadri- Nichushkin
Drouin- Compher- Rodriques
Wood- Cogliano- O'Connor

Toews - Makar
Byram - Malinski
Johnson - MacDermid

Georgiev
Prosvetov

Its tight with $225,000 in cap space but it can be done.

That team is 100x better than what we have now. It's not even close. That is a scary forward group.

Come on man. You're two injuries away from playing Malinski in top pairing and in your world MacDermid in second pairing.

 

[JH21]

Come on man. You're two injuries away from playing Malinski in top pairing and in your world MacDermid in second pairing.

Is that any worse than O'Connor and Colton on the 2nd line?

And 3rd and 4th lines of:

Cogliano- Johansen- Kiviranta
MacDermid- Olofsson- Polin

 

[henchman21]

I don’t get the Compher obsession. I defended him over the years more than most… but he’s not a guy I’d want to pay a UFA contract for.

 

[Murzu]

Is that any worse than O'Connor and Colton on the 2nd line?

And 3rd and 4th lines of:

Cogliano- Johansen- Kiviranta
MacDermid- Olofsson- Polin

It is, a lot worse. Give Malinski 20 minutes and MacDermid 15 minutes a night, let's see how many more goals our goalies can allow.

 

[The Abusement Park]

Is that any worse than O'Connor and Colton on the 2nd line?

And 3rd and 4th lines of:

Cogliano- Johansen- Kiviranta
MacDermid- Olofsson- Polin

Yes? Macdermid being a regular is by far the worst case scenario.

 

[AvStock]

If you think the market for Lindholm is going to be bad, the one for Zegras is going to be a bloodbath.

But as much as I'd hate it (because I hate Anaheim) a Byram for Zegras swap really does make a lot of sense for both teams.

If Zegras doesn’t fit their timeline why would Byram? We should be unloading Ritchie gulayev and all of our firsts and Girard but not Byram. People would miss his defense in the playoffs it would be a huge mistake to get rid of him….

 

[Bender]

So what's going on with Josh Norris in Ottawa? His advanced stats are trash this year, but then again...who on the Sens actually looks good. But I wasn't expecting to see this...

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I'll use spoilers for these but looking over his seasons, I'm kind of amazed he got such a big deal with that much term.

Spoiler: Sens 21-22 xGF% Regular Season Even Strength

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Spoiler: Sens 22-23 xGF% Regular Season Even Strength

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Spoiler: Sens 23-24 xGF% Regular Season Even Strength

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Personally, I never liked him. Watching him play in the U18 - I thought he was a leech when he was playing between B.Tkachuk and Farabee I believe it was.

Never thought he was the type of player that could drive play on his own but was more of a complimentary piece on a line. His overall skills are fine and he has a great shot but if you're going to play center you need to do more than that. He reminds me a lot of Sean Monahan in the way he plays... In either case, I'm not saying they are terrible players but I'm not sure you win with guys like that playing C on one of your top two lines.

 

[the_fan]

Did you miss the part where I said we should have signed Kadri for 2C and Compher for 3C instead of Johansen and Colton? At least Compher can move up the lineup if needed unlike Colton.

We could have signed Kadri for 8 x 49 (6.125m per) and he is 10x the player Johansen is and not have re-signed Manson. Girard would have to be moved for futures but I think that's a easy trade to make.

Plus, we could have kept our 37th OA pick and drafted winger Ethan Gauthier.

Letting Evan Rodriquez go was stupidity too. He could have been kept at 3 mil per.

We would be thin on the backend but still have 3 guys who can play 20+ minutes a night and we have Behrens and Gulyayev as top prospects who are ready soon.

Sign:

Kadri 8 x 6.125m
Compher 5 x 5.1m
Rodriques 4 x 3m
Wood 6 x 2.5m

Even with Landeskog it works.

Lehkonen- Mackinnon- Rantanen
Landeskog- Kadri- Nichushkin
Drouin- Compher- Rodriques
Wood- Cogliano- O'Connor

Toews - Makar
Byram - Malinski
Johnson - MacDermid

Georgiev
Prosvetov

Its tight with $225,000 in cap space but it can be done.

That team is 100x better than what we have now. It's not even close. That is a scary forward group.

You can have the greatest forward core in the world, but won’t go anywhere with those 2nd and 3rd pairs on defense

 

[henchman21]

If Zegras doesn’t fit their timeline why would Byram? We should be unloading Ritchie gulayev and all of our firsts and Girard but not Byram. People would miss his defense in the playoffs it would be a huge mistake to get rid of him….

Byram has to show he’s willing to play defense again. The past two seasons combined, the only ‘defensemen’ who gives up high danger chances at a higher rate is Dermy. In xGA/60,
Dermy and EJ are the only two worse. In actual GA/60 only G gives up at a higher rate.

This idea that Byram is even acceptable defensively right now is a myth. He’s been bad to very bad defensively for two seasons. Capability is there, but he hasn’t shown it in long while now.

 

[Ararana]

If Zegras doesn’t fit their timeline why would Byram? We should be unloading Ritchie gulayev and all of our firsts and Girard but not Byram. People would miss his defense in the playoffs it would be a huge mistake to get rid of him….

I think you quoted the wrong post...

But my opinion on the matter, #3D is far more protected behind Makar and Toews than Zegas would be behind only MacKinnon. Not to mention the Avs already won a cup with Byram as their #3D.

Don't get me wrong, I'm fully confident Zegras will get there. But I'd be a bit worried about him doing it this year and next. When the Avs are actually going to compete for a cup (assuming they get a 2C).

What I'm trying to say is, given the Avs current roster, Byram has less to live up to in order to be successful on the Avs than Zegras would have to.

And after last night, Zegras isn't without his own injury prone risks. Byram goes down and, damn Girard needs to step up. Zegras goes down and they're simply not winning without a 2C.

 

[SoundwaveIsCharisma]

I don’t get the Compher obsession. I defended him over the years more than most… but he’s not a guy I’d want to pay a UFA contract for.

Just pining over the ex. For some the ex is viewed horribly, and for others they gloss over all the bad and it’s just a glowing memory

 

[Balthazar]

Byram has to show he’s willing to play defense again. The past two seasons combined, the only ‘defensemen’ who gives up high danger chances at a higher rate is Dermy. In xGA/60,
Dermy and EJ are the only two worse. In actual GA/60 only G gives up at a higher rate.

This idea that Byram is even acceptable defensively right now is a myth. He’s been bad to very bad defensively for two seasons. Capability is there, but he hasn’t shown it in long while now.

I brought it up before but Byram probably got a huge slap in the face when Toews signed his extension.

From his perspective that contract blocks him for several years, it will affect his potential ice time on the first pair and on the PP, that will cost him a lot of money down the line.

It's possible that he's trying to compensate by taking more risks, which changes his defensive game. Don't be surprised if he asks for a trade soon.

 

[henchman21]

I brought it up before but Byram probably got a huge slap in the face when Toews signed his extension.

From his perspective that contract blocks him for several years, it will affect his potential ice time on the first pair and cost him a lot of money.

I'd not be surprised if he tried to compensate by taking more risks, which affects his defensive game, and if he asks for a trade soon.

I don’t think Byram has that personality… he’s a cocky kid who will run other teams the wrong way (but will be loved here for it). I just don’t see that mentality in him. If it is there… that is far worse than just being cocky/arrogant.

I don’t care about the why in the end though. He has a skill set to be better (maybe not the IQ) and in his ideal role he need to be a lot better. He’s arguably the worst defensemen on the roster defensively right now.

 

[Bender]

Byram has to show he’s willing to play defense again. The past two seasons combined, the only ‘defensemen’ who gives up high danger chances at a higher rate is Dermy. In xGA/60,
Dermy and EJ are the only two worse. In actual GA/60 only G gives up at a higher rate.

This idea that Byram is even acceptable defensively right now is a myth. He’s been bad to very bad defensively for two seasons. Capability is there, but he hasn’t shown it in long while now.

Can't really disagree. As I mentioned the other day, it would surprise me ZERO if he had already asked for a trade to a place where he can play on the PP and put up points.

On a side note - did anyone see him get injured - like at all ??

The last shift I remember was his poor play on the Stars 2nd goal.

Can't help but wonder if he's being bubble-wrapped right now.

 

[Ararana]

I don’t think Byram has that personality… he’s a cocky kid who will run other teams the wrong way (but will be loved here for it). I just don’t see that mentality in him. If it is there… that is far worse than just being cocky/arrogant.

I don't think it's even about arrogance, everything comes down to money. Especially when you already have a cup ring before you turn 21. I really don't think Byram is in Colorado past 2025, I don't see him staying even that long.

 

[Balthazar]

I don’t think Byram has that personality… he’s a cocky kid who will run other teams the wrong way (but will be loved here for it). I just don’t see that mentality in him. If it is there… that is far worse than just being cocky/arrogant.

I don't think it's a bad personality trait. Dude was seen as a future #1 dman and now he's 22 and stuck for several more years on the second pair with no PP time.

I'd not be mad at him if he wanted to go somewhere else to have a better opportunity.

 

[henchman21]

Can't really disagree. As I mentioned the other day, it would surprise me ZERO if he had already asked for a trade to a place where he can play on the PP and put up points.

On a side note - did anyone see him get injured - like at all ??

The last shift I remember was his poor play on the Stars 2nd goal.

Can't help but wonder if he's being bubble-wrapped right now.

I don’t think they are holding him out for a trade.

I don't think it's even about arrogance, everything comes down to money. Especially when you already have a cup ring before you turn 21. I really don't think Byram is in Colorado past 2025, I don't see him staying even that long.

I don't think it's a bad personality trait. Dude was seen as a future #1 dman and now he's 22 and stuck for several more years on the second pair with no PP time.

I'd not be mad at him if he wanted to go somewhere else to have a better opportunity.

To me I want guys who want to win more than anything else. Guys who will take more difficult or less prestigious roles to win have a lot of value. If all he cares about is being a 60 point #1D (and I don’t think that skill set exists in him) over winning that is a bad trait.

 

[AvStock]

Byram has to show he’s willing to play defense again. The past two seasons combined, the only ‘defensemen’ who gives up high danger chances at a higher rate is Dermy. In xGA/60,
Dermy and EJ are the only two worse. In actual GA/60 only G gives up at a higher rate.

This idea that Byram is even acceptable defensively right now is a myth. He’s been bad to very bad defensively for two seasons. Capability is there, but he hasn’t shown it in long while now.

Fair but shooting Byram to the moon would be a huge mistake because then we most likely get older and have another hole in defense. Hope he gets going soon.

I think you quoted the wrong post...

But my opinion on the matter, #3D is far more protected behind Makar and Toews than Zegas would be behind only MacKinnon. Not to mention the Avs already won a cup with Byram as their #3D.

Don't get me wrong, I'm fully confident Zegras will get there. But I'd be a bit worried about him doing it this year and next. When the Avs are actually going to compete for a cup (assuming they get a 2C).

What I'm trying to say is, given the Avs current roster, Byram has less to live up to in order to be successful on the Avs than Zegras would have to.

And after last night, Zegras isn't without his own injury prone risks. Byram goes down and, damn Girard needs to step up. Zegras goes down and they're simply not winning without a 2C.

I'd rather have Zegras than Ritchie and Gulyaev. Those 2 will do nothing for us during our window if Zegras can't. But wanting to jettison Byram and keep Girard? People in here have weird takes sometimes.

 

[Balthazar]

I don’t think they are holding him out for a trade.



To me I want guys who want to win more than anything else. Guys who will take more difficult or less prestigious roles to win have a lot of value. If all he cares about is being a 60 point #1D (and I don’t think that skill set exists in him) over winning that is a bad trait.

I'm the first to blame the Nylanders and Matthews of this world when they try to nickel and dime their team at the expense of more chances at winning.

But this is completely different. Byram needs to have a chance to reach his potential as an athlete, there's a hard cap on how much money and the kind of stats he can have on the 2nd pairing with no PP time. Especially here with all the big names making big money.

 

[henchman21]

Fair but shooting Byram to the moon would be a huge mistake because then we most likely get older and have another hole in defense. Hope he gets going soon.

I'd rather have Zegras than Ritchie and Gulyaev. Those 2 will do nothing for us during our window if Zegras can't. But wanting to jettison Byram and keep Girard? People in here have weird takes sometimes.

Nobody is saying shoot Byram to the moon. He’s a valuable piece who could solve a significant roster hole.

 

[Ararana]

To me I want guys who want to win more than anything else. Guys who will take more difficult or less prestigious roles to win have a lot of value. If all he cares about is being a 60 point #1D (and I don’t think that skill set exists in him) over winning that is a bad trait.

I hear you, and I like the sentiment. But we live on planet earth here, Nate took 12.5 and Mikko is probably going to get more. Makar could end up the highest paid player on the Avs in a small handful of years. Players who 'want to win more than anything else' is a myth that they tell the media. Yeah, maybe they'll knock 500k off what they could make - and you're welcome.

I'd rather have Zegras than Ritchie and Gulyaev.

No one is arguing against that

 

[Alienblood]

I brought it up before but Byram probably got a huge slap in the face when Toews signed his extension.

From his perspective that contract blocks him for several years, it will affect his potential ice time on the first pair and on the PP, that will cost him a lot of money down the line.

It's possible that he's trying to compensate by taking more risks, which changes his defensive game. Don't be surprised if he asks for a trade soon.

best thing for Byram would be elsewhere

I wouldn't want to trade him though and certainly not for Zegras

 

[CaleMakaw]

But if we trade Byram who's going to be the next captain.