Rumor: 2023-24 Trade Rumors and Free Agency: Part Deux

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Bender

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I'm not sure I want Lindholm anymore. As a rental he will cost too much as other teams can easily outbid us. If the Avs trade for him in order to re-sign him the cost will be very high to acquire him and his next contract would be extremely hard to fit in without destroying our depth even more. I'm sure the Avs are looking at other options. Just not sure if they are better ones though.
I think it can and should be done.

Unfortunately, the Avs don't have like 10-15 kicks at the can to get this right - year after year - so if they are devoid of picks and prospects afterwards, so be it but it has to be worth it in the end.

Acquiring Lindholm and re-signing him would absolutely solve the #2C position behind MacKinnon for the foreseeable future and add a great two-way player who is strong on faceoffs. He would force guys down to their proper slotting in the lineup and give Bednar the chance to rely on him and his line, (which would likely be Nuke and Leks) - giving some of the top guys a bit of a break from all the minutes they've been playing as of late.

I believe it is possible to trade for and re-sign Lindholm.

Let's say the Avs do :

Byram - $3.85M
Ryjo - $4M
2024 1st
(+ more if frikkin' necessary)

for

Lindholm - $4.85M
Tanev - $4.5M

Then the Avs re-sign Lindholm to an 8X8M contract. Tanev would be here for the cup run and then go to UFA.

Drouin-MacKinnon-Rantanen​
Lehkonen-Lindholm-Nichushkin​
Wood-Colton-Kovalenko​
Cogliano-Olofsson-O'Connor/Kiviranta​
Toews - Makar​
Girard - Manson​
JMFJ - Tanev​
Malinski​
George​
A better backup​
That is a roster that can win the Cup again, imo and that should be the ultimate goal. Keeping picks and prospects that are 3-4-5 years away from helping you shouldn't be the MO of the front office, at this particular time.

Now for the salary cap issue, it's basically Landeskog and his long-term health that will have a bearing on what the GM would do next. If he's able to come back healthy in the playoffs and for next year, then you'd probably have no choice but be looking at trading Rantanen this summer - while he still has 1 year left on his contract.

People will say 'You don't trade an elite high-scoring winger like Rants' but you DO if keeping him means you never have any depth beyond the top line. He's a great player when he's ON and he can sure put up points but I don't see any kind of real situation where he's going to be worth something like $13M per season. A winger with that kind of salary has to pretty much control and dictate the play whenever he's on the ice regardless of who he's playing with - like Jagr did in his prime - and while Mikko can be fantastic at times, he's certainly not that kind of player on a regular basis.

In my view, Rants is pretty much worth what he's making right now but that's neither here nor there because I believe that there's a large chance that Landeskog goes back on LTIR or stays on LTIR kind of like Carey Price did for a few years to try and come back. If that's going to be the case, then maybe you can work on keeping #96 if it's going to be something that's fair and if the cap is set to increase even more the season after next. I truly believe that if Mikko wants to break the bank, they'll move on and get a pretty good haul.
 

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The difference with Zegras is that he has had a 3 year development 'head start' on a guy like Carlsson and a 2 year 'head start' on a guy like McTavish but he's the one that's being relegated to wing? If that doesn't sound off any flags to you guys, so be it. It's not like the Ducks are contending and willing to 'take their lumps' while Zegras develops into a C, they are fine with being a bottom-feeder, non-playoff team that are develop their 2 newer players in those spots instead.

Personally I believe that he's going to end up a full-time winger within a couple of years whether he stays in Anaheim or not.
It doesn’t really set off any alarms to me, no. You obviously have a better eye for talent than me but based on what I’ve seen the guy has the skills and IQ to be a legit top line center. It could just be that Anaheim would rather build their center tandem around MacTavish and Carlsson, I don’t know. But IMO if he can be had the Avs should be going HARD to try and get him.
 
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Trading for Zegras there would have to be a 3rd team involved. They don't need Byram/Girard/Guly, they don't need Ritchie, and although a 1st++ could be a good return depending of the ++ they are starting to need roster players that can contribute to them moving up in the standings.
 

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They could have drafted Zegras and took dumb dumb instead. Now it'll take dumb dumb+ to get Zegras. I doubt the Avs swallow their pride and make this move. Also doubt Anahiem is interested in Byram
 

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I think it can and should be done.

Unfortunately, the Avs don't have like 10-15 kicks at the can to get this right - year after year - so if they are devoid of picks and prospects afterwards, so be it but it has to be worth it in the end.

Acquiring Lindholm and re-signing him would absolutely solve the #2C position behind MacKinnon for the foreseeable future and add a great two-way player who is strong on faceoffs. He would force guys down to their proper slotting in the lineup and give Bednar the chance to rely on him and his line, (which would likely be Nuke and Leks) - giving some of the top guys a bit of a break from all the minutes they've been playing as of late.

I believe it is possible to trade for and re-sign Lindholm.

Let's say the Avs do :

Byram - $3.85M
Ryjo - $4M
2024 1st
(+ more if frikkin' necessary)

for

Lindholm - $4.85M
Tanev - $4.5M

Then the Avs re-sign Lindholm to an 8X8M contract. Tanev would be here for the cup run and then go to UFA.

Drouin-MacKinnon-Rantanen​
Lehkonen-Lindholm-Nichushkin​
Wood-Colton-Kovalenko​
Cogliano-Olofsson-O'Connor/Kiviranta​
Toews - Makar​
Girard - Manson​
JMFJ - Tanev​
Malinski​
George​
A better backup​
That is a roster that can win the Cup again, imo and that should be the ultimate goal. Keeping picks and prospects that are 3-4-5 years away from helping you shouldn't be the MO of the front office, at this particular time.

Now for the salary cap issue, it's basically Landeskog and his long-term health that will have a bearing on what the GM would do next. If he's able to come back healthy in the playoffs and for next year, then you'd probably have no choice but be looking at trading Rantanen this summer - while he still has 1 year left on his contract.

People will say 'You don't trade an elite high-scoring winger like Rants' but you DO if keeping him means you never have any depth beyond the top line. He's a great player when he's ON and he can sure put up points but I don't see any kind of real situation where he's going to be worth something like $13M per season. A winger with that kind of salary has to pretty much control and dictate the play whenever he's on the ice regardless of who he's playing with - like Jagr did in his prime - and while Mikko can be fantastic at times, he's certainly not that kind of player on a regular basis.

In my view, Rants is pretty much worth what he's making right now but that's neither here nor there because I believe that there's a large chance that Landeskog goes back on LTIR or stays on LTIR kind of like Carey Price did for a few years to try and come back. If that's going to be the case, then maybe you can work on keeping #96 if it's going to be something that's fair and if the cap is set to increase even more the season after next. I truly believe that if Mikko wants to break the bank, they'll move on and get a pretty good haul.
Not that I would disagree much with any of this even wrt Mikko but if I'm paying those assets I think I would prefer to find a way to get Zegras or somebody else younger than Lindholm.
 

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It doesn’t really set off any alarms to me, no. You obviously have a better eye for talent than me but based on what I’ve seen the guy has the skills and IQ to be a legit top line center. It could just be that Anaheim would rather build their center tandem around MacTavish and Carlsson, I don’t know. But IMO if he can be had the Avs should be going HARD to try and get him.
I believe that Zegras is an extremely talented player with outstanding vision and playmaking ability... I think he'd make our #1PP a lot more lethal for example but as far as getting that guy that can really supplement MacKinnon down the middle and give us more of a two-way player and give Bednar options as far as match-ups, I don't believe Zegras is that player as a #2C.

The Ducks are playing tonight against the predators, I'm going to make a point to watch that game and see what's what. He's supposed to be playing LW with Henrique as his C (and that's with Carlsson out too).

I know he's been injured but 7 points in 19 games is concerning especially for a guy playing over 18 minutes per night with a team-high 3:00 per game on the PP.
 
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If he's on the market we won't be able to outbid everyone IMO.
I don’t think that’s true. Not a lot of teams have a Byram to give. Maybe Anaheim is more interested in defense now than Drysdale is gone.

We couldn't use Byram+RyJo++ for McTavish?
Why would Anaheim move him? The reason Zegras might be available is because he’s the third best centre.
 

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I don’t think that’s true. Not a lot of teams have a Byram to give. Maybe Anaheim is more interested in defense now than Drysdale is gone.


Why would Anaheim move him? The reason Zegras might be available is because he’s the third best centre.
I guess that's true. Could we get one of their lesser RHD besides helleson with Zegras? A Dman for later
 
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I don't think we have the assets Anaheim wants for Zegras.

Even with Drysdale gone, Anaheim is one of the last teams that need defense, especially at the expense of a forward.
 
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How about Henrique? Last year of contract and with retention he’d come pretty cheap then probably wouldn’t be too expensive to resign. He’s 33 years old
 
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