Speculation: 2023-24 Roster Thread

[Leonardo87]

I recommend for those stressed out or worried about the Zegras and Drysdale hold outs to listen to that episode. Earned a lot more respect for Biz and co. But he hates Rangers fans so it’s hard for me, lol. But Rangers fans can be annoying so I get it.

Anyway, the point he makes. You have Leo, Zell, Minty, Mac, and etc behind Z and Drysdale. If Verbeek starts handing out ridiculous contracts to them it’s going to be an issue for the other kids. A bridge works well for both parties and I’m sorry, no way Z should be making more than Terry now. Down the road, if he hits his full potential, absolutely, but not now.

 

[Mr Rogers]

Historically Murray only really moved guys with arbitration rights, the other RFAs he merely brought the hammer down.

The palmieri thing has been discussed ad nauseum and it's been agreed that he wasn't moved for salary concerns, but because he shit his pants in the playoffs for the last time. The salary stuff was BS lip service.

Well then either way wouldn’t be surprised if he would’ve done the same thing. What Verbeek is doing is fine imo. You just can’t pay Z $7M+ Aav over 3 years and I’m assuming Drysdale wants like 4 or 5 as well. Absolutely bonkers to agree to that. They’ll meet in the middle which is probably what they are worth.

 

[Mr Rogers]

Starting around 39:40

 

[Kalv]

Kind of ubderstand the situation, and kind of getting stressed about Zegras and Drysdale's longterm future here. I'm somewhere in between

 

[DuckDuckGetz]

My work is tied to the Film/TV industry so there has been a lot of discourse about negotiations in my life these past couple of months.

All I'll say is that negotiations are far apart up until they aren't and the deal is done. There was very little movement on the WGA strikes and then all of a sudden it's wrapped up in a matter of days, and there is a LOT more publicity around that than around this.

It sounds like Pat is trying to future-proof the team. He's going to have to give in a little bit but I don't blame him for trying, and don't blame Z and Drysdale for pushing back.

 

[DavidBL]

The RFA situation is definitely being painted as a PV issues. There is some benefit to that. How ever the negotiations are actually going the fans won't be blaming the players nor do the players get the outside rep of not being team players. I'm still hopeful that they can get this sorted.

 

[2faded]

I guess I'm in the minority not being bothered by it at all. A deal will get done eventually, and it'll likely be a good one for the team. Otherwise, they would've signed already.

Whether or not Z holds a grudge after, we'll see. If he's still RFA after this deal, it doesn't really matter anyways. I guess he could demand a trade, but then if he does f*** him.

 

[McDonald19]

I guess I'm in the minority not being bothered by it at all. A deal will get done eventually, and it'll likely be a good one for the team. Otherwise, they would've signed already.

Whether or not Z holds a grudge after, we'll see. If he's still RFA after this deal, it doesn't really matter anyways. I guess he could demand a trade, but then if he does f*** him.

I agree with this for Z.

Drysdale not being in camp, after missing last season, is ridiculous.

 

[lwvs84]

Zegras and Drsdale aren’t PV guys is possible. 1 or both at some point could be traded. That’s for sure. But we would get a haul, and it wouldn’t be until the youngsters are impact players

This is pure speculation (as is most of the stuff regarding the negotiations), but IF Zegras is more about the money, I could see him being moved toward the end of his bridge deal. Cronin seems to want to play that first year Vegas style in that all 4 lines and all 3 pairs give 100% every shift and just swarm the other team. That means more money will have to be invested on the 4th line/3rd pair than normal, so it works better if guys take fair/team friendly deals and not milk the team for every dollar possible. Add to that Verbeek wants a big team and Z isn't exactly that (though neither is Terry and he got a long term deal).

Hopefully the situation is dealt with soon so that we can all stop speculating and focus on the season and how Z and Dry progress this year.

 

[Mr Rogers]

My work is tied to the Film/TV industry so there has been a lot of discourse about negotiations in my life these past couple of months.

All I'll say is that negotiations are far apart up until they aren't and the deal is done. There was very little movement on the WGA strikes and then all of a sudden it's wrapped up in a matter of days, and there is a LOT more publicity around that than around this.

It sounds like Pat is trying to future-proof the team. He's going to have to give in a little bit but I don't blame him for trying, and don't blame Z and Drysdale for pushing back.

That’s a good point. It can happen very fast, it’s not there’s a bunch that has to be done leading up to an agreement

 

[Hockey Duckie]

This is pure speculation (as is most of the stuff regarding the negotiations), but IF Zegras is more about the money, I could see him being moved toward the end of his bridge deal. Cronin seems to want to play that first year Vegas style in that all 4 lines and all 3 pairs give 100% every shift and just swarm the other team. That means more money will have to be invested on the 4th line/3rd pair than normal, so it works better if guys take fair/team friendly deals and not milk the team for every dollar possible. Add to that Verbeek wants a big team and Z isn't exactly that (though neither is Terry and he got a long term deal).

Hopefully the situation is dealt with soon so that we can all stop speculating and focus on the season and how Z and Dry progress this year.

And to have his forwards keep play in the OZ with the help of his OFD's, kinda like what Florida does. I think our top-6 can control the forecheck and with the additions of more stay-at-home d-men, the roles are defined for the blue liners.

 

[Ducks DVM]

Might be an overreaction but the team playing hard ball with Zegras and drysdale still is absolutely stupid. I haven’t been super impressed with Pat and this summer has not given me much to like about him as a gm. Zegras has been the most marketable player we’ve had in years and Pat is doing everything possible to drive him out of town.

One really can’t say this unless one knows what the ask is from Zegras. If Zegras wants 10M for a long term contract and 7 -8 for a bridge, then Verbeek is just protecting the salary structure for the next 5 years. If the Zegras camp told Verbeek not to call back until they were willing to give them what they want, then Verbeek letting them stew is actually good negotiation. We have no idea which party started with the unrealistic asks, which parties still have unrealistic asks, or which parties are even trying at this point.

Verbeek signed Killorn and Gudas, who are easily the best UFA signings we have had for players not related to or best friends with a current teammate in 20 years, on contracts that will expire as the salary becomes necessary for our top prospects, and signed Terry to a fair deal for both parties. I’m impressed with all of that.

 

[Ducks DVM]

I agree with this for Z.

Drysdale not being in camp, after missing last season, is ridiculous.

There’s no way that’s on PV though, right? I can’t imagine he’s offering 1M, and it’s ludicrous for Drysdale to be asking more than 2-2.5?

 

[Hey234]

My hope is that no matter how well they play, the Ducks will send Zell and Minty to San Diego to start the season. The Ducks are not in win-now mode and can wait. The NHL is not meant to be a development league and learning the pro game in the AHL is probably the best choice for their development.

LaCombe is the only defenseman prospect so far that has clearly shown he is ready for the NHL.

 

[Ducks DVM]

I recommend for those stressed out or worried about the Zegras and Drysdale hold outs to listen to that episode. Earned a lot more respect for Biz and co. But he hates Rangers fans so it’s hard for me, lol. But Rangers fans can be annoying so I get it.

Anyway, the point he makes. You have Leo, Zell, Minty, Mac, and etc behind Z and Drysdale. If Verbeek starts handing out ridiculous contracts to them it’s going to be an issue for the other kids. A bridge works well for both parties and I’m sorry, no way Z should be making more than Terry now. Down the road, if he hits his full potential, absolutely, but not now.

He read my posts!

 

[Mr Rogers]

My friend at camp says mctavish is practicing this morning and skating with Terry and de Leo

 

[Ducks DVM]

My friend at camp says mctavish is practicing this morning and skating with Terry and de Leo

That’ll be a fun line

 

[Leonardo87]

So here is a question I’ve been wondering who is on PP1 and PP2?

PP1 - Drysdale - Zegras - Terry - Carlsson - McTavish (Holy crap this 1st unit, 2 Playmakers with 2 snipers)
PP2 - Fowler - Rico - Vatrano - Strome - Silf

Also, Why the F is Brown still the PP coach???

I should point out, Killorn is not very good on the PP from watching him in Tampa.

 

[Hockey Duckie]

So here is a question I’ve been wondering who is on PP1 and PP2?

PP1 - Drysdale - Zegras - Terry - Carlsson - McTavish (Holy crap this 1st unit, 2 Playmakers with 2 snipers)
PP2 - Fowler - Rico - Vatrano - Strome - Silf

Also, Why the F is Brown still the PP coach???

I should point out, Killorn is not very good on the PP from watching him in Tampa.

With Drysdale out, maybe LaCombe gets a chance on the PP.

 

[Hey234]

I think Terry and McTavish just don't have any chemistry. Carlsson is past first and Terry shoots a lot. Zegras and McTavish could work well. I would try:

Zegras-McTavish-Henrique
Killorn-Carlsson-Terry

 

[EXTRAS]

No chance zelly or minty make it?

 

[CrazyDuck4u]

No chance zelly or minty make it?

Zelly is a lock.

 

[EXTRAS]

Zelly is a lock.

Will he get pp1 over Drysdale if dry signs?

 

[CrazyDuck4u]

Will he get pp1 over Drysdale if dry signs?

We will worry about that when dry signs. considering his injury might hinder his shot. Probably

 

[HanSolo]

Zelly is a lock.

Maybe to get a 9 game tryout but I wouldn't call him a lock to make the team. He played great in the second leg of a back to back but it was against a team of mostly AHLers. Lacombe is more likely to make the roster full time IMO.