CrazyDuck4u
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Cam is a Ideal # 3 at this point in his carrer.. He needs GTFO the pp..
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DavidBL
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He's literally one of the highest producing defensmen in the league on the PP.
Cam at his best was a good 2D. Not a great one, but a good one. I think Cam now would be an adequate 2D and a good 3D. He has never, ever been a 1D. He's not now, even though he's being played like one. He wasn't in 2017 when he was part of a great defense - that defense had three legitimately good 2Ds (Lindholm, Fowler, Vatanen), which is why they could survive without a true 1D.
Blame the coach for the playing time and role, not the player.
Blame the coach for the playing time and role, not the player.
Deuce22
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Who cares if he's a "#1" or not? His usage on this team indicates that he is. 25+ minutes, PP, PK. I expect him to go out and play good hockey regardless of the excuses that his fans generate on a regular basis. Games like last night by a supposed veteran leader (Gibson as well) are counterproductive to what this franchise is trying to build.
So if the Ducks played Robert Hagg 25 minutes per night against the other team's best offensive players, you'd be mad at Robert Hagg for not being a better #1 d-man? That doesn't make any sense.
Fowler played poorly last night by his standards. But his usage is not up to him. Bob Murray is more to blame for Fowler's poor play as a #1 d-man than Fowler is.
The Midnight Burrito
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It's worse than this even - in the last 7 years, we've actually only had 10 guys break 50 points.
edit - not 10 guys. It's happened 10 times total, by 6 guys.
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Him just being bad and him being misused are different problems with different solutions.
CrazyDuck4u
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I'm talking about.now.. currently. He ain't doing shit. Other than getting his shots blocked
Hockey Duckie
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Which top pairs have been the best and worst this NHL season?
We identify the NHL teams with top pairs that are dominating and the ones significantly trailing the competition.theathletic.com
Can you guess what pairing is last?
The snippet on Cam is that he "is overmatched playing in a No. 1 role on a bad team." Playing with a rookie who is also a left shot isn't the greatest combination. That sums up that pairing. That sentiment of Cam can also be used for last season too.
The Midnight Burrito
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Currently tied for 15th, with McAvoy, Doughty, Karlsson, couple points behind Dahlin, Reilly, Seider. You know - guys you'd want on your PP.
Deuce22
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Robert Hagg isn’t being highly paid or expected to be a leader on a young team.
DavidBL
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This sounds like an expectations issue. He's not being paid like a number 1 either.
Edit: And there is no evidence he's a bad leader either.
Deuce22
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My expectation is that he play good hockey. No evidence about leadership, but the fact that the Ducks haven’t had a captain since Getzlaf retired says something.
DavidBL
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If that's the expectation, and I feel the same, then blame the guy putting together the roster as it's not conducive to good hockey, don't blame the players who are put in positions out of their own control.
No captain yet probably doesn’t mean as much as you're insinuating. Not every leader is a Captain and I wouldn't be surprised if they would prefer to wait for one of kids to take up the mantle for the long term than take it away from someone in the near future or have a bunch of turnover as players leave.
Hockey Duckie
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I wouldn't use captaincy against Fowler's leadership when it is rigged for a youth captain. Fowler is an alternate captain. That's evidence of leadership.
Deuce22
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How is it rigged for a youth captain? If Ducks had a vet who was qualified, why go two years without one? Fowler or Terry could have been named captain until someone else was ready for the role.
Ive said it before, Cam has to be one of the most, if not thee most, under appreciated players in team history.
No, just because he plays huge minutes doesnt mean hes a #1. He has always been a #2. Cam being forced into the top D role is a huge reason why this team never made it back to a Finals. They have needed an actual #1 for over a decade. Lindholm and Boom Boom werent #1s either. Cup contenders have #1s. Pretenders have multiple #2s.
Fowler being forced into these minutes now are a sign of where the blue line is in its progression. Fowler is the most experienced guy we have. He knows how to eat minutes and he can handle the minutes most nights. Multiple coaches have seen that now. They are protecting rookies from having to eat those kind of minutes as to not throw a kid into the deep end or stunt his growth by wearing him out.
Bad team, in transition, too many young D prospects and rookies to handle more ice time, no real help in your top pairings. This is what you get. Cam is being asked to do a lot, and that includes picking up the slack for D partners that arent ready or capable of handling their assignments.
You guys need to take into consideration too that Beeker has preached patience a lot. In the next captain, in the rookies, in the D. Hell, wasnt it Beker that said something along the lines of "We know our D needs a lot of help" going into this season?
No, just because he plays huge minutes doesnt mean hes a #1. He has always been a #2. Cam being forced into the top D role is a huge reason why this team never made it back to a Finals. They have needed an actual #1 for over a decade. Lindholm and Boom Boom werent #1s either. Cup contenders have #1s. Pretenders have multiple #2s.
Fowler being forced into these minutes now are a sign of where the blue line is in its progression. Fowler is the most experienced guy we have. He knows how to eat minutes and he can handle the minutes most nights. Multiple coaches have seen that now. They are protecting rookies from having to eat those kind of minutes as to not throw a kid into the deep end or stunt his growth by wearing him out.
Bad team, in transition, too many young D prospects and rookies to handle more ice time, no real help in your top pairings. This is what you get. Cam is being asked to do a lot, and that includes picking up the slack for D partners that arent ready or capable of handling their assignments.
You guys need to take into consideration too that Beeker has preached patience a lot. In the next captain, in the rookies, in the D. Hell, wasnt it Beker that said something along the lines of "We know our D needs a lot of help" going into this season?
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Why did it take so long to put McT and Terry together. That Vatrano McT Terry line looks like one of the best in the NHL the past couple games.
Cam Fowler is not paid as a 1D. And I would argue that by taking hard minutes for a bad team he's being exactly the leader we want him to be.
Deuce22
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Plays hockey like his #1 goal is to avoid injury. That’s not the kind of leadership I would want. Don’t think he’s paid to be a -52 over the past two seasons, either.
Some people will hate Fowler no matter what. I'm happy to have him on my favorite team.
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Lot of nights it feels like his partners are pickin up his slack this year, but people want to ignore that or give it a pass.
And it can be a combination of coaching, management decisions and fowler just taking significant steps back/aging.
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Cam is an interesting one. I don’t think he’s been that great for a while but if you’re low on Cam it’s tough to use stats to argue that he isn’t that good because he picks up points as he continues to drone on. The definition of elite mediocrity I guess.
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