Speculation: 2023-24 Roster Thread

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Leonardo87

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Absolutely. I thought we'd have a couple good years out of him.

Been so disgusted lately. I don’t expect playoffs from this team but some of these recent games have just been a mirror image of last year. Only difference is special teams have actually been decent, even with the league against them, which has been utter BS.
 
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Been so disgusted lately. I don’t expect playoffs from this team but some of these recent games have just been a mirror image of last year. Only difference is special teams have actually been decent, even with the league against them, which has been utter BS.
i really dont think PV can sit and wait tho... i think he needs to be proactive

I still think he bounces back
I agree i think hell be fine when we get him away from terry
 

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Why? He's not trying to win games this year
Yeah, there’s a big disconnect with many fans. You don’t go from worst overall to burning significant assets when you’re starting the number of <23 year olds that we are. This is 100% a developmental year with an eye towards those kids being legit players in 2-3 years. 1-3 years best case scenario. If all he cared about was record, Carlsson would be in every game, and Fowler Gudas would have started the season together.
 

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I said it when the deal was signed but the 4 year Killorn deal is so risky. It could easily end up Verbeek’s worst move
I’m going to choose to believe that unlike Zegras and Drysdale, he didn’t miss camp and decide to go from 60% to 110%. He looked much faster and effective in the preseason practices.

Hoping I’m not wrong.
 

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Under Murray towards the end of his tenure we just kind of toiled in mediocrity while he tried to keep retooling the NHL squad. We got swept in the 17-18 playoffs, and Getz/Perry were approaching 33 years old yet we decided to keep the train rolling. Five years later we finally hire Verbeek and basically started the actual scorched earth rebuild that was sorely needed long before that point.

Long story short, this will now be six years of not sniffing the playoffs and we probably have a few more years of ineptitude left before we see any light at the end of the tunnel. As an Angels/Ducks fan times have been very lean :help:

2016-17: WCF
2017-18: Swept in 1st round
2018-19: Decided to rebuild at the TDL

People forget we made the WCF in 2016-17. We traded for Eaves at the TDL. In only 20 regular season games, Eaves potted 11 goals and contributed 3 assists. He also had 2 goals and 2 assists in 7 playoff games before his injury.

2017-18 were missing healthy top-6 players in Kelser (age 33) and Eaves (age 33). Kelser's hip affected him terribly. Eaves had a medical condition. Kesler played 44 games while Eaves maxed out at 2 games. Both would never be healthy for the rest of their contracts. This season was the last time Rakell would score over 30 goals in a season.

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2021-22: Everyone was healthy and a great mix between vets and rookies. Anaheim had a hot start. We were 10-4-3 (23 pts) after 17 games, which included an 8-game winning streak. Problem here was that Murray resigned on Nov 10th, in the middle of the 8-game winning streak. Between Nov 10th and Feb 3rd (all-star break), there weren't much movement at the NHL level because there was no true GM. And when Verbeek did become GM, he didn't do much to replace Manson's talent when Manson went on IR during all-star break. Anaheim was 3rd in the Pacific at all-star break, when Verbeek became GM.

Verbeek reset the rebuild and didn't do any favors for the 2022-23 roster as it finished worst overall.

Because Verbeek reset the rebuild, it extended the time to becoming relevant again. If that's the path, then I'm in for the long haul because we need depth.

With the Ducks, there is a path for success, but we're waiting for the youths to mature. With the Angels, they have no pipeline right now and the owner is too meddlesome, but is unwilling to go over the luxury tax for the whole season. We should have traded Ohtani to revamp our pipeline and NHL roster, but we're gonna lose him for a 2nd round comp pick.
 

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Big test for Cronin. Right now the team collectively is just not moving their feet. They trail the play and are constantly holding, reaching, tripping, etc. Slow starts and getting few calls doesn’t help.

And there is zero confidence so they play tenative which slows them even more.

Even when Getzlaf was older and slow(er), he could occasionally carry the team. We have no vet who can step up. Gudas is the closest. We need someone to lead.

John
 

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Yeah, there’s a big disconnect with many fans. You don’t go from worst overall to burning significant assets when you’re starting the number of <23 year olds that we are. This is 100% a developmental year with an eye towards those kids being legit players in 2-3 years. 1-3 years best case scenario. If all he cared about was record, Carlsson would be in every game, and Fowler Gudas would have started the season together.

What I really want to know is why aren't moves being made for the AHL? We're developing a losing culture from top to bottom.
 

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Its odd that they follow a big brain plan to stop any player info getting leaked yet still lose most of their games. Its almost as if its not really that big of a deal. The impact it has on fan engagement is a lot higher
Club policy from the top down is to be as discreet as possible. Personally I prefer it to constantly having the media harp all over every possible scenario related to the team. When there's something we genuinely need to know, we'll know it
 
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Terry: 1 assist, 6 games.
Killorn: 1 goal, 1 assist, 8 games.

Strome: 1 assist, 7 games.

Henrique: 1 assist, 5 games.
Silfver: 1 assist, 5 games.

Carrick: 1 goal, 10 games.
Leason: 1 assist, 10 games.
Groulx: 1 assist, 14 games.

The offense is essentially just whatever McT and Frank can muster. When they had their heater we were winning. Now that they cooled off a bit we aren't.
 
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What I really want to know is why aren't moves being made for the AHL? We're developing a losing culture from top to bottom.

With Z and Drysdale out, the Ducks have been able to keep more forwards at the NHL level. Also, De Leo finally recovered from injury and got his first game in and the Gulls finally won, breaking the 13-game losing streak. De Leo adds more offensive skill to the line up, which was sorely needed. His addition might shift the lines to become better?

Defend the Nest had this to say after losing game 13:

A club record thirteen game losing streak cannot be easily ignored and so it was good to hear that Verbeek was taking in the game in person tonight. Here is hoping this means the Ducks act quicker in making changes and providing more support to right the ship than they have in the previous two seasons. I have it on good authority that a lot of vets that have come in at previous trade deadlines and then been allowed to walk at the conclusion of the season, have actually wanted to stay, but for whatever reason the Ducks either didn’t offer them a contract or did not offer them enough. Every successful AHL club has a good mix of youthful talent and established but consistently-able-to-contribute veterans, I will admit I thought this incoming crop of talent would be able to make up for the lack of the Grimaldis, Priskies and Sikuras but clearly I was very wrong. Here is hoping the Ducks have realized this too and actually do something about it. On the note of veterans and AHL clubs…

Since Verbeek took over, the Gulls roster has been lacking talent. DiMaio is the Gulls GM and it doesn't make sense for a guy with his vast experience to be shortchanging the Gulls. If what DTN says about vet guys wanting to stay, but the org doesn't care to keep them and we end up with shit, then DiMaio has been setting up the Gulls for failure before the season started. TBF, the Gulls were probably expecting Minty and hoping for Carlsson. Since both stayed up with the NHL club, the Gulls were left with not much to replace said talents.
 

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It’s tough enough being in a rebuild but when you have the refs and league F’ing you over most nights, makes it even harder.
For sure. It was much easier to put up with that when the team was competing, but when a few bad calls go against us at the beginning of the game you may as well have nailed the coffin shut.
 
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Z and Drysdale being out hurts possession and zone exits, but bigger issue is all forwards are just stagnant whenever d-men re-gain possession. Seems like in effort to reduce turnovers at blue line, team is playing much slower on transition. Don't know if that's conscious directive from Cronin and staff, or just players deciding that they don't want to get yelled at for turning pucks over so are playing much slower on transition. But net effect is team can't exit zone and transition through neutral zone like they were when Z was still playing. It is stark contrast.
 
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Do it, Verbeek/Cronin!

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