Speculation: 2023-24 Roster Thread

[Leonardo87]

Trying to make sense of this, I can find a way to make it where he wants to dump and chase enough to keep them honest and back off the blue line to where they have space to carry it in, but there seems to be a lot of “dump and not chase effectively” going on as it is.

I do not like the current lines at all though. Terry can be maddening to watch at times, but he’s also the only player with a proven record of being able to score (outside of Vatrano on a hot streak).

We've only had one good consistent scoring line this season, and I knew when they cooled off this was going to happen. Leo coming in and out has also put a damper on things as well.

Have to ask why the McTavish line works so well together. McTavish is playing great so is Vatrano but I think those guys just compliment each-other. They are also going to the net and dirty areas unlike the Top line.

 

[McDonald19]

No, we are slow and we play slow. What forwards do we have that are very good skaters aside from Vatrano. Most of are “good” skaters are maybe slightly above league average speed wise

Players like Henrique, Silfverberg, Carrick, Leason, Strome, Johnston, Killorn are just flat out slow too

It will need to be addressed

Leason is pretty fast for 6’5 220

 

[MMC]

 

[SoCal Dreaming]

I agree with the others. They seem less physical now than during the beginning of the season. Thought it was just me.

On a side note, saw Zegras and Lundestrom when they hop in to the same elevator during the Blues game. It was funny to see the elevator person check their credentials lol Ofcourse Zegras didn't have his but the fans vouched for him. Lol

Edit. It was against STL

 

[Ducks DVM]

Aaaaand the experiment is over.


“Now, you remember how the lines were last game, and how nobody had any fun? Get your shit together or else!”

 

[FiveHoleTickler]

So 4 periods ago Cronin admits to waiting too long to change the lines and now he's going back to what they were before?

 

[The Midnight Burrito]

So 4 periods ago Cronin admits to waiting too long to change the lines and now he's going back to what they were before?

Well he doesn't want to wait too long AGAIN.

 

[Reveille1984]

Zegras also going the customary day-to-dead injury route I see

 

[The Midnight Burrito]

Zegras also going the customary day-to-dead injury route I see

Well it's because he didn't go to camp, he went from 50 to 60 to 110 instead of to 80 or 90, it's somewhere between his chest and his knees, and also who the hell knows what it is or where it is on his body.

 

[CrazyDuck4u]

Well it's because he didn't go to camp, he went from 50 to 60 to 110 instead of to 80 or 90, it's somewhere between his chest and his knees, and also who the hell knows what it is or where it is on his body.

I think at this point any guess is good lol

 

[robbieboy3686]

I agree on the 1st and 4th lines. The other 2 are lines that can be juggled and experimented with. But he’s letting 2 veteran players in strome and Vatrano show that the line wasn’t a fluke. I like the approach honestly.

 

[quackquackquack]

No, we are slow and we play slow. What forwards do we have that are very good skaters aside from Vatrano. Most of are “good” skaters are maybe slightly above league average speed wise

Players like Henrique, Silfverberg, Carrick, Leason, Strome, Johnston, Killorn are just flat out slow too

It will need to be addressed

I only consider Leason, Johnston and Killorn slow. Those other guys are good skaters.

My problem is with things like zone exits/entrances and dump and chase when the puck moves faster than the man and you can simply PLAY faster to be faster.

 

[McDonald19]

So, Luneau is going to just practice with the Ducks and not play any games until he can be sent to the WJC?

 

[robbieboy3686]

So, Luneau is going to just practice with the Ducks and not play any games until he can be sent to the WJC?

Strength and conditioning that he’s receiving is probably something our GM really likes. It’s possible he goes to WJC and then comes to the ducks after. It’s not out of the question. Although most of you are over the moon about small man Zellwegger, I would guess Luneau is who our GM is over the moon about

 

[ADHB]

I only consider Leason, Johnston and Killorn slow. Those other guys are good skaters.

My problem is with things like zone exits/entrances and dump and chase when the puck moves faster than the man and you can simply PLAY faster to be faster.

Exactly. This has long been my criticism of the Ducks, and the weird thing is all the coaching changes never seem to make a difference. Their default mode in all facets of the game (d zone, neutral zone, PP, PK) is to stop and survey, whether they have the puck or not. Any time a puck comes loose in the d zone or o zone, you're rarely going to win a race for it if the opponent is constantly in motion and you're having to start from a standstill.

And obviously on the PP, I'm not exactly sure what they expect to happen if everyone just stands still or shuffles back and forth like a table hockey player. Nothing will ever open up because the defensive players don't ever have to change positioning.

 

[The Duck Knight]

I only consider Leason, Johnston and Killorn slow. Those other guys are good skaters.

My problem is with things like zone exits/entrances and dump and chase when the puck moves faster than the man and you can simply PLAY faster to be faster.

Hernrique and Silf are both slow as molasses.

And it's one thing to be slow skating. When you're slow and you don't have players that can beat defenders with their hands it makes things very difficult. You can make up for not being fast by being highly skilled or by being physical.

 

[Hockey Duckie]

Strength and conditioning that he’s receiving is probably something our GM really likes. It’s possible he goes to WJC and then comes to the ducks after. It’s not out of the question. Although most of you are over the moon about small man Zellwegger, I would guess Luneau is who our GM is over the moon about

I believe our GM wants all of his prospects to do well so they can either help the team directly or indirectly via trade. I don't understand creating a division amongst prospects when we all want them to succeed to help us out. Haven't people learned from the McTavish and Carlsson situations before they were drafted?

Zellweger is AHL eligible, Luneau is not. The org would prefer if Luneau were AHL eligible. Luneau prefers it as well as he intimated it in a recent interview.

Carlsson was put into the NHL ahead of schedule as a part-time 1C. Luneau is in a similar boat as Carlsson, where both are needed to improve physically to handle the rigors of the NHL, whether be it part time this season or setting up for next season. What the org is doing this year is all about setting up the future to happen sooner.

Duck fans and the org:

 

[MMC]

I believe our GM wants all of his prospects to do well so they can either help the team directly or indirectly via trade. I don't understand creating a division amongst prospects when we all want them to succeed to help us out. Haven't people learned from the McTavish and Carlsson situations before they were drafted?

Zellweger is AHL eligible, Luneau is not. The org would prefer if Luneau were AHL eligible. Luneau prefers it as well as he intimated it in a recent interview.

Carlsson was put into the NHL ahead of schedule as a part-time 1C. Luneau is in a similar boat as Carlsson, where both are needed to improve physically to handle the rigors of the NHL, whether be it part time this season or setting up for next season. What the org is doing this year is all about setting up the future to happen sooner.

Duck fans and the org:

Disagree they’re handling Luneau/Carlsson the way they are because it will have the team competing sooner. I’m sure if they thought it was better for their development to be in the Q or SHL/AHL they’d be there.

 

[Hockey Duckie]

Disagree they’re handling Luneau/Carlsson the way they are because it will have the team competing sooner. I’m sure if they thought it was better for their development to be in the Q or SHL/AHL they’d be there.

Playing Carlsson part-time 1C is a real thing. Luneau playing only 2 games this year instead of being sent to juniors is a real thing. Let's stop pretending both players are full time players in the NHL. The process of using the NHL as a development league this year is to speed up the rebuild. Since this year is a development year, I'm not adverse to the idea. Yet, Luneau opined about playing the game is better for him than weight lifting after his stint in the AHL.

 

[MMC]

Playing Carlsson part-time 1C is a real thing. Luneau playing only 2 games this year instead of being sent to juniors is a real thing. Let's stop pretending both players are full time players in the NHL. The process of using the NHL as a development league this year is to speed up the rebuild. Since this year is a development year, I'm not adverse to the idea. Yet, Luneau opined about playing the game is better for him than weight lifting after his stint in the AHL.

Don’t think I ever made this claim. Just disagree that the reasoning behind it is to bring about the competitive window sooner. I think the idea that the front office is concerned with speeding up the rebuild and then also saying that they’re using this season as a developmental year is contradictory.

 

[Team Bring It]

I apologize if this has been answered somewhere.....but what is the timetable on Zegras' return date? (just from a fantasy hockey perspective. Lol.)

 

[70sSanO]

I see a few players being slow, but as others have said we tend to play slow. Our passing has reverted to bad area, or the 5 foot hot potato pas. We make passes to someone that is more likely to lose it.

The video Cronin needs to show are the early, more fearless of losing, games where we were pressuring and playing faster.

John

 

[MMC]

I apologize if this has been answered somewhere.....but what is the timetable on Zegras' return date? (just from a fantasy hockey perspective. Lol.)

Your guess is as good as ours

 

[FiveHoleTickler]

Calder Trophy watch: Ranking the NHL's 10 best rookies so far

The Athletic's Scott Wheeler and Harman Dayal submitted blind 10-player ballots for the league's top rookies. Here are the combined results.

theathletic.com

 

[Hockey Duckie]

Don’t think I ever made this claim. Just disagree that the reasoning behind it is to bring about the competitive window sooner. I think the idea that the front office is concerned with speeding up the rebuild and then also saying that they’re using this season as a developmental year is contradictory.

Is it contradictory? It syncs very well since we're implementing a part-time 1C and stashing a top QMJHL d-man on the NHL roster for the main purpose of muscle building.

Do you know what is contradictory, Verbeek stating he likes overripen prospects. Carlsson and Luneau are not overripen prospects. This is developmental season for the org, not the Ducks. Development isn't at the NHL level, but below it. Applying the "overripen prospects" MO to the development of the Ducks org, then the AHL or respective prospects leagues are where most of our prospects should be "overripening". I have shared several times the timelines for the rebuild centered on overripening b/c creativity.

The NHL isn't supposed to be a developmental league, but we are using it in that fashion with a part-time 1C and stashing a top prospects in the NHL for "weight lifting purposes". We were gonna be stuck in a development stage for the next the few years based upon the "overripening" MO, waiting for prospects to reach the NHL and then get acclimated to the NHL. Verbeek has extended the development process to the NHL level, speeding up the process.