I was optimistic about the line changes but tonight's game was a disappointing debut. Didn't really seem to give us the spark that we were hoping for
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SmokeyDuck
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We need Tony Robbins to retrain our team's brains that every period is the 3rd period.
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The ducks are a slow hockey team. I think powerful quick skaters should be an emphasis for Verbeek moving forward. They need guys that can push tempo and stretch the D
Exactly. I had this realization recently. We kinda just assume that 'Young Teams = Fast Teams' and our Young team is not very fast at all.
We are slow up and down the lineup and it is one of the main reasons why our offense is struggling.
Completely agree. Definitely feel like back-checkers catch up to our guys a lot more frequently than when I watch other teams.
A lot instances of a back-checker disrupting the play from behind when we have full control in the neutral zone or even entering the O zone.
A lot instances of a back-checker disrupting the play from behind when we have full control in the neutral zone or even entering the O zone.
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This is why I’m not all in on Cronin’s dump and chase screed. Killorn Henrique Terry isn’t going to be terribly successful with ever getting the puck back, even when one of them gets to the puck , the other two don’t get there quickly enough to provide any reasonable support.
Terry, Zegras or Leo should not be dumping and chasing, you are literally taking away their strengths by not letting them carry the puck.
Is Cronin for real? This is going to be another long F'ing season and after a decent start.
Is Cronin for real? This is going to be another long F'ing season and after a decent start.
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Cronin could just employ one of his D-men to do the dump and chase. We have three, fast skaters in Fowler, Mintyukov, and LaCombe. Although, we'd still need one of Killorn, Rico, and Terry to fish the puck out when one of our D-men has the puck lodged against the wall.
Slow isn't necessarily a problem if the team is moving at at the same pace and are on the same page. Therein lies the crux: we're not on the same page (lots of odd man counters) and we're not moving at the same pace (not on the same page). Maybe we're still learning the system and thinking too much.
I think being in the box too many times is a factor as to what's causing our offense to be lethargic. We do own the most TSH situation in the league with 82 TSH (or PPOA), second is the Habs with 78, and tied for third are the Sabres and Avs with 68. The least TSH belongs to the Blues at 43 opportunities. Anaheim nearly doubles the Blues' TSH opportunities.
Here are last five games on being TSH:
PK opportunities (TSH)
Nov 14, at Nsh: 1 for 5 (10 min)
Nov 15, at Col: 1 for 4 (8 min)
Nov 17, Fla: 0 for 4 (8 min)
Nov 19, St.L: 1 for 6 (12 min)
Mac, Terry, Carlsson, and Strome (Z too) do not participate on the PK, which means we're icing out our offensive players.
Also, our four defensemen do get worn down often because of the excessive TSH opportunities in Fowler-Lyubushkin and LaCombe-Gudas. Maybe we could swap out Vaaks for Fowler, so that Fowler has more energy for offense.
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In the GDT, someone mentioned that Cronin wanted to do dump & chase against teams that trap. That makes sense. And if teams know we can't adjust and make them pay, then our scoring will continue to be meager. Those trap teams are literally taking away our strengths b/c we either aren't cohesive enough to beat the trap carrying the puck, aren't talented enough to beat the trap, or both. Then that means our scoring will rest solely on the PP unit if we can't generate grade-A chances at ES.
We're still figuring ourselves out as a team at forward due to Z's injury and Carlsson being a part-time 1C. Our bottom-6 were the most consistent offensive lines b/c they rarely were juggled around until recently.
I guess it's growing pains. Hoping we bounce back against Mtl. They're just as undisciplined as us with respect to penalties. Let's hope Frank stays hot to notch a PP goal or three.
Leo excels at Zone entries, if anything he’s giving up the puck too soon. I’d like to see him do more like his first shift in the 3rd where he set up Strome for a beauty but Strome just didn’t read the play.
I’m hoping Cronin is just wanting to employ the dump and chase in games like that one we played against Colorado, where nothing seemed to be working, so instead try to get it deep and cause turnovers.
I’m hoping Cronin is just wanting to employ the dump and chase in games like that one we played against Colorado, where nothing seemed to be working, so instead try to get it deep and cause turnovers.
Yeah we have to figure things out, but the dump and chase is not going to work if they are not being physical which we were to start the season.
I don’t think the team is slow, they are slow distributing the puck, maybe if quicker with that can catch the opponent off guard or even in the middle of a change.
I also saw you posted the PK time. We are the
Most penalized team in the league and on top of goal calls/non calls not going are way. It’s not easy.
Terry holds onto the puck too long and Leo not long enough. Have to find a happy medium for these guys. lol
I think line chemistry is to blame with that. Leo being in and out to start the season and then Z being injured, really has messed up the top line from getting any chemistry.
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I thought we had it bad, but then saw an article on the Athletic about the Blue Jackets. Didn't realize they were mired in a 9-game losing streak. It got me "singing in the rain".
Blue Jackets 'not ready to win yet,' John Davidson says, but don't expect big changes
Columbus' president of hockey operations supports coach Pascal Vincent and opines on the team's struggling stars.
theathletic.com
There's a difference between playing slow and being slow. We play slow. That's the problem. We have quick skaters on the roster but dont' push the pace as much
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A lot of the speed game will come with comfort and familiarity with the systems and linemates. It's part of why consistant linemates are important.
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Yup. The intensity and urgency has been lacking during the losing streak. Also, the body checking has disappeared.
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No, we are slow and we play slow. What forwards do we have that are very good skaters aside from Vatrano. Most of are “good” skaters are maybe slightly above league average speed wise
Players like Henrique, Silfverberg, Carrick, Leason, Strome, Johnston, Killorn are just flat out slow too
It will need to be addressed
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Agreed. It's part of why chemistry is important.
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Trying to make sense of this, I can find a way to make it where he wants to dump and chase enough to keep them honest and back off the blue line to where they have space to carry it in, but there seems to be a lot of “dump and not chase effectively” going on as it is.
I do not like the current lines at all though. Terry can be maddening to watch at times, but he’s also the only player with a proven record of being able to score (outside of Vatrano on a hot streak).
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