2023-24 Roster Thread #8: A Cam York State of Mind

[Flyerfan4life]

I wouldn’t subject the kid to playing behind this train wreck of a D. Let Sandstrom play every game once they’re eliminated and get the highest pick possible.

these idiots will play Kol. the second hes in the building

#bankit

 

[Cody Webster]

these idiots will play Kol. the second hes in the building

#bankit

They won't be able to now

 

[freakydallas13]

Came here to post what you posed as well. It's certainly a thing to name someone a captain and then only a month later play mind games with him/healthy scratch him.

This sounds pretty similar to the things Couts would say when Berube refused to take him off the 4th line. Aka "I disagree but I'm a good soldier so I'll do it".

 

[EXTRAS]

What do yall see as foersters upside?

 

[VladDrag]

What do yall see as foersters upside?

I honestly struggle with this.

Right now he's a very valuable two-way winger, who is pacing for high ~22g, 16a over 82 games. His raw 5v5 ice time has been that of a top-line winger, and his most common forwards are TK (~40%) and Couts (36%). But, he's played meaningful minutes with other players in non-offensive roles as well. So, while the raw 5v5 ice time is indicative of top-line winger, it's a bit more nuanced and somewhat explains the less than stellar point production.

I haven't seen a lot of Foerster prior to this NHL season, but I've seen enough to know there's still more to his game that has yet to emerge. For example, there's a subtle passing game in there that hasn't been exhibited at the NHL level with any consistency. In general, I feel he needs to quicken up all parts of his game to take another step forward.

In terms of overall production/total upside, I'm not really sure -- I really don't know. He's already proven to be a VERY good middle-6 NHL forward, which is a huge win at where he was drafted. I'm pretty confident that his assist total is low, and will likely increase next year. I wouldn't be shocked to see Foerster turn into a 22g/23a/45p player, but I don't know if I see much more than that. I just don't know if he has enough skill to be that offensively-dominant player.

 

[BiggE]

I honestly struggle with this.

Right now he's a very valuable two-way winger, who is pacing for high ~22g, 16a over 82 games. His raw 5v5 ice time has been that of a top-line winger, and his most common forwards are TK (~40%) and Couts (36%). But, he's played meaningful minutes with other players in non-offensive roles as well. So, while the raw 5v5 ice time is indicative of top-line winger, it's a bit more nuanced and somewhat explains the less than stellar point production.

I haven't seen a lot of Foerster prior to this NHL season, but I've seen enough to know there's still more to his game that has yet to emerge. For example, there's a subtle passing game in there that hasn't been exhibited at the NHL level with any consistency. In general, I feel he needs to quicken up all parts of his game to take another step forward.

In terms of overall production/total upside, I'm not really sure -- I really don't know. He's already proven to be a VERY good middle-6 NHL forward, which is a huge win at where he was drafted. I'm pretty confident that his assist total is low, and will likely increase next year. I wouldn't be shocked to see Foerster turn into a 22g/23a/45p player, but I don't know if I see much more than that. I just don't know if he has enough skill to be that offensively-dominant player.

My guess, FWIW, is, if he is playing a top 6 role with a quality center, he can be a 25 goal, 50 point player at ES. I also think he has the shot and enough playmaking ability to also play on the top pp unit. He, Michkov and Frost could be 3/5 of a pretty nice top unit.

So, with pp usage factored in, perhaps 32-35 goals and 60-70 points is a possibility.

 

[VladDrag]

My guess, FWIW, is, if he is playing a top 6 role with a quality center, he can be a 25 goal, 50 point player at ES. I also think he has the shot and enough playmaking ability to also play on the top pp unit. He, Michkov and Frost could be 3/5 of a pretty nice top unit.

So, with pp usage factored in, perhaps 32-35 goals and 60-70 points is a possibility.

Personally, I think 70 is a bridge too far, but I could buy a 55-60 point winger. If he gives you 70 points, plus he's continues to produce the analytical numbers he has this year -- you're talking about a Mark Stone-type impact. Not to say he can't do it, it's just such an unlikely outcome.

I think the more likely 60-70 point winger is Brink to be honest.

 

[Fire Tortorella]

Woof - nothing like a surprise announcement mid-season of a captain and then getting publicly called out by him two months later.

 

[Appleyard]

Woof.

Those words, from someone like Sean Couturier (who is a very smart but very reserved person in general) are hopefully not as telling as they seem.

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

As someone who wants Tortorella out of here asap I love it!

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

Lol. Coots is the greatest Captain in Flyers history.

 

[TheKingPin]

Lol probably the hardest 7 game stretch the Flyers have ever faced in the regular season. No dman left. The best player and captain leading a revolt. Thinking we may have just lost the playoffs.

 

[ponder719]

Lol. Coots is the greatest Captain in Flyers history.

No respect for Darryl Sittler, I swear.

 

[CanadianFlyer88]

I'm impressed that Torts continues to push the envelope on just how much of an asshole a person can actually be.

I've never seen Couts make a comment like that. He's been a company man from day 1.

 

[wankstifier]

Growing list: York, Farabee, Sanheim, Hayes, DeAngelo, Zamula, Frost, Brink, Lycksell, Couturier, Johansen, ???

 

[Beef Invictus]

That means you're stuck with Sandstrom as your backup for the rest of the season

Goalies are the easiest thing to emergency recall and manage.

Source: I feel that way on my insides

 

[BrindamoursNose]

Woof - nothing like a surprise announcement mid-season of a captain and then getting publicly called out by him two months later.

The fact that this isn't an EvilGritty tweet is so insane

 

[Beef Invictus]

Woof - nothing like a surprise announcement mid-season of a captain and then getting publicly called out by him two months later.

Oooooohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh holy f***ing shit. There is every flashing red alarm you can possibly imagine coming from this guy. Full stop. This is bad.


There is no way to be positive about this in any fashion serious or otherwise. Considering all the harm you've already done to the team's asset bank to accommodate Tortorella fighting players, this is an instant "fire coach, the experiment failed" moment. No more should be done to accommodate him.

 

[SolidSnakeUS]

Woof - nothing like a surprise announcement mid-season of a captain and then getting publicly called out by him two months later.

Considering how Couts usually is, this should be sending alarm bells. The silent type, even as a captain, speaking out like this is all the red f***ing flags.

 

[Redpath]

A late-season locker room mutiny amidst a difficult schedule+losing streak, all the while slipping out of the playoffs, would be a welcome wake up call.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Growing list: York, Farabee, Sanheim, Hayes, DeAngelo, Zamula, Frost, Brink, Lycksell, Couturier, Johansen, ???

Overseen by the same management group that alienated Giroux, another devoted company man

 

[Beef Invictus]

A late-season locker room mutiny amidst a difficult schedule+losing streak, all the while slipping out of the playoffs, would be a welcome wake up call.

As always, too late to trick them into accidentally doing the right thing at the TDL and too early for the shock to still influence them in any good direction during the offseason.

 

[Flyerfan4life]

I'm impressed that Torts continues to push the envelope on just how much of an asshole a person can actually be.

I've never seen Couts make a comment like that. He's been a company man from day 1.

Torts literaly wants Cooter to kick in his office door and fight him

"beaf***ingFlyer"

 

[Appleyard]

I'm impressed that Torts continues to push the envelope on just how much of an asshole a person can actually be.

I've never seen Couts make a comment like that. He's been a company man from day 1.

I have spoken to him a couple of times and I have not spoken to another player who is so "considered" with what he says. (and this is media-trained NHLers we are talking about!)

Either says nothing of note or takes time to think and answer...

if this was from someone else I would be far more likely to think it was nothing.

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

The Flyers had good to pretty good underlying metrics for most of the year at 5v5 so it’s not like they were riding an unsustainably high shooting &/or save percentage this year.

But without Hart & now Walker as of late you’re probably really seeing the results of not having those guys on top of other guys on your roster possibly banged up/worn down.

Walker for example if you believe Evolving Wild’s model they had/have Walker as the third most valuable defensemen in the entire league this year. Now that’s not something I would want to be on going forward which is why I agree(d) with the trade but in terms of now you’re talking a guy playing like that & replacing his minutes with sub replacement to replacement level results with Staal, Johnson, Zamula, etc.

Hart was just okay this year before he went on leave but Ersson’s taken on a heavier workload in his first full season which could be wearing on him as of late. Then you’ve used Peterson & Sandstrom as backups which neither are NHL caliber at this point.

So you’re absolutely outgunned on the backend & in the net right now which probably isn’t going to really change much to close out the regular season here especially in net. Your forwards have been hit or miss lately outside of guys who are just consistently bad (Atkinson & Deslauries) which fair or not they have to carry the load right now.