2023-24 Roster Thread #8: A Cam York State of Mind

[Appleyard]

He's a good player, and has always had very good underlying metrics. He is a very good depth player for a non-rebuilding organization.

Yeh...

tbf to Hathaway he has 52.75% ExGF on the season...

despite playing 53% of all his 5v5 ice-time with Deslauriers... who is at 42.64% ExGF.

 

[renberg]

Yeh...

tbf to Hathaway he has 52.75% ExGF on the season...

despite playing 53% of all his 5v5 ice-time with Deslauriers... who is at 42.64% ExGF.

I have no problem with Hathaway. Salary and term are fine for the role that he plays on the team. Being put on a line with Deslauriers is a stat killer for any player. Put TK with him and his numbers/play would tank. the issue with ND going forward is how to get him out of here-trade, buyout, cut? Briere is going to have to make a call since his HC seems to love having the plug around.

 

[Appleyard]

I have no problem with Hathaway. Salary and term are fine for the role that he plays on the team. Being put on a line with Deslauriers is a stat killer for any player. Put TK with him and his numbers/play would tank. the issue with ND going forward is how to get him out of here-trade, buyout, cut? Briere is going to have to make a call since his HC seems to love having the plug around.

I mean... he was somehow moved for a 3rd round pick just two years ago aha. But that was when he was on $1m and was expiring... as opposed to $1.75m with 2 whole years left.

 

[BiggE]

I have no problem with Hathaway. Salary and term are fine for the role that he plays on the team. Being put on a line with Deslauriers is a stat killer for any player. Put TK with him and his numbers/play would tank. the issue with ND going forward is how to get him out of here-trade, buyout, cut? Briere is going to have to make a call since his HC seems to love having the plug around.

Waive and demote him next October. If the God Emperor doesn’t like it, tough shit.

 

[renberg]

I mean... he was somehow moved for a 3rd round pick just two years ago aha. But that was when he was on $1m and was expiring... as opposed to $1.75m with 2 whole years left.

Right. Of all the guys currently on the roster of the team, this is the guy that I want gone ASAP. His play offers nothing; no offense, weak defense, can't skate, pass or shoot well; and for that matter really doesn't play a sensible physical game. If Tortorella was playing 12-6, it might matter less but when he goes 11-7, it's basically putting the Flyers down a line and forcing other players to be on the ice more which wears them down over time. The guy is a bum.

 

[EXTRAS]

What kind of contract do you all expect seeler to get.

 

[Beef Invictus]

What kind of contract do you all expect seeler to get.

The Flyers have repeatedly assured me they are rebuilding, so I believe he will get a contract from another team that isn't the Flyers that has traded for him

 

[Mickey the mouse]

What kind of contract do you all expect seeler to get.

Seeler
3yr x 2.75 -3.5
Walker
4yr x 4,5 - 5.5
Both depending on the team and their cap issues

 

[bennysflyers16]

What kind of contract do you all expect seeler to get.

4 x 3.35 Seelsy

3 x 4.65 for Walker

 

[Flyerfan4life]

4 x 3.35 Seelsy

3 x 4.65 for Walker

#rebuild complete..

 

[FLYguy3911]

 

[renberg]

TK is too good of a player and valuable to be messing around with a chump like Smith. That’s what Deslauriers us for. If he won’t do that get him out of here.

 

[landsbergfan]

 

[VladDrag]

I am not shocked to see he’s struggling, but I wish it wasn’t as bad as it is. Still 20+ games remaining so hopefully he finishes strong

 

[trostol]

I hope in a few years we're not saying we got fleeced

 

[Beef Invictus]

I am not shocked to see he’s struggling, but I wish it wasn’t as bad as it is. Still 20+ games remaining so hopefully he finishes strong

Yeah, coming in I thought two things were true: 1) He's been bad thus far, and 2) he's got potential. His start showed the latter. Since then we've seen the former, though.


Still a lot of time to see if he comes around. The good news is that, unlike other young dmen who will never get a chance (And for very good and intangible reasons, I am sure), the circumstances around his acquisition mean he will probably be given every chance.

 

[Magua]

Yeah, coming in I thought two things were true: 1) He's been bad thus far, and 2) he's got potential. His start showed the latter. Since then we've seen the former, though.

I don’t even think the team disagrees. They acquired him with the idea he needed development. I guess it’s not worst case they’re realistic.

But people undersold the risk — while saying he’s a future #1 — of a 2nd contract player with development time missed and botched. Without a good NHL sample. For whom the Flyers Super Worldwide Defense Advisor, Bob Murray, vouched. And I remain confident Drysdale being a former 6th overall and righty played into it (versus Zellweger as a 2nd round lefty). The Briere-Jones Flyers seem scarily “fit” oriented.

The skill is there in spurts, especially early. He’s possibly hurt. Long-term bets deserve patience, and I can see a future where he’s a valuable top 4 defender + PP1 guy . But this is top 5 pick value, and I won’t pretend they didn’t take an oversized risk on a possibly non-elite talent (which is the other part).

 

[FLYguy3911]

We didn't need the charts. Ducks fans told us he was good. It was chalked then.

Won't overreact to SSS like people did with his first 10 games of the season, but kinda the same player I remember from his draft year. Flashes but a bit short on substance and I'm not sure what he's great at. And if you believe in the tracking data, the skating is worse than when he was 18. Feels kinda weird hoping a player that has missed chunks of time due to injury, is nursing another injury, but feels like we're there.

Flyers didn't hide that Bob Murray was a driver for this trade. While you may think the guy that drafted him has the most information on him, he also has a natural motivation to be right about the player and objectivity can sometimes go out the window (we all do this with our favorites). And teams don't trade young top pair RHDs. They will overpay with pretty much anything else to avoid it. Caution flags should have been waving.

 

[Random Forest]

Next year will be the telling one for Drysdale. Very few defenders are putting up productive seasons (ie, >0.5 PPG) at 21 years old. Most blue chip young defenders are barely rookies by their 21 year old season. Reilly, Fox, Morrissey, etc. didn’t become highly productive until they were 22+.

But I do wish he had been given the opportunity to truly dominate a lower league and learn to trust his skills a little bit more. Hard for him to experiment and become comfortable with his natural talents against NHL competition. I could see him being the kind of player who just takes a while to grow into his own game. The talent definitely isn’t in question.

 

[captainpaxil]

I don't like all this re signing talk. Even if you want to scrap the rebuild the play would be to take a run at pesce. A legit top pair guy

 

[trostol]

but are the Flyers the guys we want developing him lol

 

[dragonoffrost]

The Flyers have repeatedly assured me they are rebuilding, so I believe he will get a contract from another team that isn't the Flyers that has traded for him

That must have been real hard to type...

 

[Psuhockey]

We didn't need the charts. Ducks fans told us he was good. It was chalked then.

Won't overreact to SSS like people did with his first 10 games of the season, but kinda the same player I remember from his draft year. Flashes but a bit short on substance and I'm not sure what he's great at. And if you believe in the tracking data, the skating is worse than when he was 18. Feels kinda weird hoping a player that has missed chunks of time due to injury, is nursing another injury, but feels like we're there.

Flyers didn't hide that Bob Murray was a driver for this trade. While you may think the guy that drafted him has the most information on him, he also has a natural motivation to be right about the player and objectivity can sometimes go out the window (we all do this with our favorites). And teams don't trade young top pair RHDs. They will overpay with pretty much anything else to avoid it. Caution flags should have been waving.

As always with the Flyers it’s the overselling that kills them. Let the kid become what he’s going to be without hyping him to a position that few players regardless of natural talent ever get to. Just acquire talent and see where the chips fall instead of putting players in predetermined roles that they may not ever be able to handle.

The biggest mistake this franchise has ever made was letting the scouts convince the rest of the organization that it was development that sunk Hextall’s tenure instead of talent evaluation.

 

[wankstifier]

Can't wait for Drysdale to put on 25 pounds of meat

 

[FlyerNutter]

As always with the Flyers it’s the overselling that kills them. Let the kid become what he’s going to be without hyping him to a position that few players regardless of natural talent ever get to. Just acquire talent and see where the chips fall instead of putting players in predetermined roles that they may not ever be able to handle.

The biggest mistake this franchise has ever made was letting the scouts convince the rest of the organization that it was development that sunk Hextall’s tenure instead of talent evaluation.

They have to do this though.

When the best you can trot out in a league of superstars is Konecny, you are definitely hyping up secondary bullshit for more than it is.