If they are willing to send an unprotected 2026 that's a pretty appealing asset. This team needs picks at the beginning of the draft and they refuse to get out of their own way to let their own pick be one of them. More late 1sts aren't going to get this done. They've reduced the chances of success to sheer luck like finding Point in the 2nd so might as well grab extra lottery tickets.
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Magua
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A 1st 3 years away....is it though? The rule of thumb is a 1st the next year is 2nd round value.
Tampa's top guys are either signed or will re-sign. They're not going to fall off a cliff with a 32 year old Kucherov and 29 year old Point. Waiting 6 years -- with the ages of this roster -- for a future 1st to pay any dividends would be colossally bad for the sake of drafting 15th in 2026 instead of 25th this summer.
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I understand the rule of thumb but I personally think its stupid and should be exploited. I feel that way in every sport but especially in hockey where the draft is so incredibly shallow. I would trade the 55th pick for a future 1st every single time it's offered. I mean if someone is willing to trade you the 25th pick in this draft for Risto, sure fine. But I'll believe that when I see it.
But more generally my position is that future picks at least have upside that current picks do not. The chances that the 2026 Lightening will be picking in the top 10 is small but its still greater than the chances of the 2024 say Rangers pick being in the top 10 (which is zero). And for a team in desperate need of high end talent that seems intent on shutting off as many avenues as possible to acquiring it, I'll take the remote hope.
It's why I advocated trading everyone possible last offseason for future picks. You at least have the chance of acquiring the 1st from a team that thought they would be good but ended up not being like Buffalo and New Jersey.
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That's exaggerated -- no team is trading a future 1st for the 55th overall pick on draft day. The point is time value. Sports? It's a basic economic principle.
Hockey drafts are shallow? The irony of choosing the team whose two superstars were 58th and 79th overall picks. I can tell we are miles apart philosophically, but outside the top 10ish, most drafts are the same or you're dealing with case by case examples. A 38th overall pick and a 28th overall pick really aren't dissimilar. It's why I'm Team Pick Volume.
My point is waiting 3 drafts on the bet that Tampa is a bottom 10 team (which sounds like a bad bet) instead of taking a 1st rounder today -- who can develop, grow as an asset, and provide NHL value before that 2026 pick is even announced -- makes no sense. Forget value, you might not see return on that pick until guys like Konecny/Sanheim/Tippett are into their 30s and nearing the end of their deals. For the equivalent of the Family Guy mystery box? "It could even be a 20th overall pick!"
I'm not talking at the draft. I'm saying if the Rangers were offering their 2nd round pick to us now for a player and someone else was offering their 2026 1st for the same player, I'm taking the first.
As to the bolded - who cares? A team led by Konecny/Sanheim/Tippett is not winning a thing regardless of whether you add the expected value of this year's 25th pick (where a bottom sixer is a good outcome). I'm not going to prioritize adding complimentary pieces to a core that's woefully insufficient.
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BackToTheBrierePatch
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Even if they wanted to no team is taking him unless there is serious sweeteners added. Something I have no interest in.
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It sucks cuz this team is truly 1 great forward and 1 great D from being a cup contender. I know thats easier said than done, DUH, but there are some real nice players on this team that I previously thought were “mid” or sucked.
It’s kinda sad we gotta tear this thing down a bit
It’s kinda sad we gotta tear this thing down a bit
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Nothing wrong with stockpiling future draft picks, Carolina's been doing that for years.
If you have a top ten talent pipeline, and a bunch of future picks, it's a lot easier making an offer for a player you really like without mortgaging the future.
If you have a top ten talent pipeline, and a bunch of future picks, it's a lot easier making an offer for a player you really like without mortgaging the future.
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This mf spittin’.
Earlier in the week he put out an article saying that they have to play Marc Staal and now we get this!
Earlier in the week he put out an article saying that they have to play Marc Staal and now we get this!
Magua
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Jesper Bratt’s 8 years x $7.875MM is probably ballpark. It wouldn’t surprise me if Konecny touches $8MM AAV — extra UFA year, contract beginning 2 years later.
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In 25-26 the cap ceiling is sposed to be $92m
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The Flyers have six guys tied for the team lead in PP scoring with 6 points each.
Zamula has done it in by far the least amount of time, but he appears to have been removed from the PP in favor of Laughton, who has 1 PPP all season.
Zamula has done it in by far the least amount of time, but he appears to have been removed from the PP in favor of Laughton, who has 1 PPP all season.
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Yeah, I remember he posted a tweet linking another dumb article and he got all upset that people were giving him shit for the shitty article.
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Who could be available in the off-season to run the PP? Expiring contract, AHL, CHL? I have no clue. But Thompson has to go.Could TK be the first ever player to lead his team in scoring while having fewer PP points than SH points?
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What I understood from the article. The Flyers should trade for this guy having a career year in his contract year. The Flyers don't have what the Sabres need. But they do have two RH defensemen that would serve no purpose to them, being they're not going to make the playoffs, again. Thus, the Flyers should try and get the guy. How did I do?
Sounds like you had a lobotomy so I'd say spot on.
I could see that Tampa 2026 1st being kind of a nice asset, assuming it’s unprotected.
Their prospect pool in general sucks, but Isaac Howard and Ethan Gauthier could be intriguing.
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