2023-24 Roster Thread #8: A Cam York State of Mind

[Hollywood Cannon]

Do we ever see Briere with advisors? Ever?

Jones is the schmoozer, and I suspect one reason he got the job is his ability to placate the alumni, something Hilferty stressed when he took over the reins from Scott. Jones has said literally nothing to suggest he's following the "old Flyers" template, instead he goes out of his way to endorse Briere's decisions. I'll bet he's the one who interacts with advisors, nodding his head, saying we'll consider that . . .

Just don't buy into "conspiracy theories," the triumverate seems to be firmly on the same page. Maybe there is a falling out after they get to the CF finals (their version of the battle of Actium), but for now they seem as on message as the senior officials of the Chinese Communist party.

Yeah, we actually do. He was sitting with Holmgren in September.

We know they’re on the same page. They have to be. Briere and Jones were only hired because they kneeled before Zod.

What an absurdly weird stance to take here. Did YOU ever see Bill Barber with Dave Scott?

 

[deadhead]

Briere is the anti-Holmgren. Everything he's said and done so far is almost exactly opposite of what Holmgren did for a decade. When Torts and Briere come out and say they don't want to make the playoffs if it means repeating the last decade of futility, who are they dissing? Holmgren.

I'm sure he'd be friendly, he was obtained by Holmgren 15 years ago, but that's as far as it goes.
Briere was groomed by Comcast (Camillo), not Holmgren.
Briere was running Maine, which wasn't even a Flyers' affiliate, when Holmgren retired.

Jones only played 2 years for the Flyers, he was obtained by Clarke, but played for Nielson.
As an announcer, he worked national games as well as the Flyers, so he doesn't bleed orange and black. Of course he had to be a "homer" when calling Flyer games, that's the same for any team.
From the announcer's booth, he had a front row view of the organization's dysfunction.
No one he played with is in the Flyers FO, though Brind'Amour and Tocchet are currently HCs, while Berube was one (and will be again).
Jones brought his teammate LeClair back to the fold. He also brought in Sharp even though he never played with him.

I don't think anyone seriously suggests that Torts would kowtow to the advisors.

For better or worse, Briere/Torts/Jones is a clean break from the Flyers' past.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

Briere is the anti-Holmgren. Everything he's said and done so far is almost exactly opposite of what Holmgren did for a decade. When Torts and Briere come out and say they don't want to make the playoffs if it means repeating the last decade of futility, who are they dissing? Holmgren.

I'm sure he'd be friendly, he was obtained by Holmgren 15 years ago, but that's as far as it goes.
Briere was groomed by Comcast (Camillo), not Holmgren.
Briere was running Maine, which wasn't even a Flyers' affiliate, when Holmgren retired.

Jones only played 2 years for the Flyers, he was obtained by Clarke, but played for Nielson.
As an announcer, he worked national games as well as the Flyers, so he doesn't bleed orange and black. Of course he had to be a "homer" when calling Flyer games, that's the same for any team.
From the announcer's booth, he had a front row view of the organization's dysfunction.
No one he played with is in the Flyers FO, though Brind'Amour and Tocchet are currently HCs, while Berube was one (and will be again).
Jones brought his teammate LeClair back to the fold. He also brought in Sharp even though he never played with him.

I don't think anyone seriously suggests that Torts would kowtow to the advisors.

For better or worse, Briere/Torts/Jones is a clean break from the Flyers' past.

Keith Jones doesn’t bleed orange and black? Is this real life?

Yeah, no one is going to suggest that Torts would kowtow to the advisors. What we’ve said is that they think the same exact way.

The lengths that you will go to absolve any management staff is frankly breathtaking.

Truly a world of pure imagination.

 

[ybnvs]

Just don't buy into "conspiracy theories,"

We don't.

Real advice is for you to stop pumping them out daily.

 

[deadhead]

Jones was an announcer, all local announcers are "homers," and when they lose their job, and go to another city, they become "homers" there. But he spent most of his NHL career with Washington (who drafted him in 7th rd) and Colorado. He did have his best season as a Flyer, at age 30, 66g 16-27 43 ES before retiring a little more than a year later. He was traded to Philly for Shjon Podein.

Jones was working on national broadcasts since 2005-06, as an in-studio TV analyst (along with Sharp for a while). In 2021 as the lead ice-level analyst for TBS. So he's had to do homework on the entire league as well as the Flyers for his broadcast career.

Clarke, Barber, Holmgren, Hextall spent most of their careers as Flyers in one capacity or another.
Fletcher was an outsider other than a couple seasons with Clarke.

Briere grew up in the Phoenix organization, traded to Buffalo at 25, came to the Flyers at 30.

Briere, Torts & Jones have most of their NHL experience outside the organization.

 

[JojoTheWhale]

Thank you for proving that trading away Shjon Podein was a disaster.

 

[freakydallas13]

Jones was an announcer, all local announcers are "homers," and when they lose their job, and go to another city, they become "homers" there. But he spent most of his NHL career with Washington (who drafted him in 7th rd) and Colorado. He did have his best season as a Flyer, at age 30, 66g 16-27 43 ES before retiring a little more than a year later. He was traded to Philly for Shjon Podein.

Jones was working on national broadcasts since 2005-06, as an in-studio TV analyst (along with Sharp for a while). In 2021 as the lead ice-level analyst for TBS. So he's had to do homework on the entire league as well as the Flyers for his broadcast career.

Clarke, Barber, Holmgren, Hextall spent most of their careers as Flyers in one capacity or another.
Fletcher was an outsider other than a couple seasons with Clarke.

Briere grew up in the Phoenix organization, traded to Buffalo at 25, came to the Flyers at 30.

Briere, Torts & Jones have most of their NHL experience outside the organization.

Chuck Fletcher had most of his NHL experience outside the organization as well.

 

[Curufinwe]

Thank You - CapFriendly - NHL Salary Caps

Thank you for the amazing 9 years

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Best $/Point is Foerster at $43,166

Worst is Risto at $1,275,000

 

[FlyerNutter]

Jones was an announcer, all local announcers are "homers," and when they lose their job, and go to another city, they become "homers" there. But he spent most of his NHL career with Washington (who drafted him in 7th rd) and Colorado. He did have his best season as a Flyer, at age 30, 66g 16-27 43 ES before retiring a little more than a year later. He was traded to Philly for Shjon Podein.

Jones was working on national broadcasts since 2005-06, as an in-studio TV analyst (along with Sharp for a while). In 2021 as the lead ice-level analyst for TBS. So he's had to do homework on the entire league as well as the Flyers for his broadcast career.

Clarke, Barber, Holmgren, Hextall spent most of their careers as Flyers in one capacity or another.
Fletcher was an outsider other than a couple seasons with Clarke.

Briere grew up in the Phoenix organization, traded to Buffalo at 25, came to the Flyers at 30.

Briere, Torts & Jones have most of their NHL experience outside the organization.

How did Mike Eastwood get the job here?

 

[Cody Webster]

I fell asleep and didn't get to share this gem last night

 

[deadhead]

Eastwood was a scout for the Ducks the past two years. He played 738 games over 13 NHL seasons with the Maple Leafs, Jets, Coyotes, Rangers, Blues, Blackhawks and Penguins.
2014-17: assistant coach, Ottawa 67's
2018-19: assistant coach, Hershey Bears
2019-23: development coach, pro scout, Anaheim

 

[FlyerNutter]

Eastwood was a scout for the Ducks the past two years. He played 738 games over 13 NHL seasons with the Maple Leafs, Jets, Coyotes, Rangers, Blues, Blackhawks and Penguins.
2014-17: assistant coach, Ottawa 67's
2018-19: assistant coach, Hershey Bears
2019-23: development coach, pro scout, Anaheim

What’s the Flyers connection to the ducks?

 

[deadhead]

What’s the Flyers connection to the ducks?

Beats me. Can't think of any.

 

[FlyerNutter]

Beats me. Can't think of any.

Look under new (incompetent) advisors for a hint

 

[Flyerfan4life]

Thank You - CapFriendly - NHL Salary Caps

Thank you for the amazing 9 years

www.capfriendly.com

Best $/Point is Foerster at $43,166

Worst is Risto at $1,275,000

Fletch enters chat madly...

 

[Beef Invictus]

Briere is the anti-Holmgren. Everything he's said and done so far is almost exactly opposite of what Holmgren did for a decade. When Torts and Briere come out and say they don't want to make the playoffs if it means repeating the last decade of futility, who are they dissing? Holmgren.

I'm sure he'd be friendly, he was obtained by Holmgren 15 years ago, but that's as far as it goes.
Briere was groomed by Comcast (Camillo), not Holmgren.
Briere was running Maine, which wasn't even a Flyers' affiliate, when Holmgren retired.

Jones only played 2 years for the Flyers, he was obtained by Clarke, but played for Nielson.
As an announcer, he worked national games as well as the Flyers, so he doesn't bleed orange and black. Of course he had to be a "homer" when calling Flyer games, that's the same for any team.
From the announcer's booth, he had a front row view of the organization's dysfunction.
No one he played with is in the Flyers FO, though Brind'Amour and Tocchet are currently HCs, while Berube was one (and will be again).
Jones brought his teammate LeClair back to the fold. He also brought in Sharp even though he never played with him.

I don't think anyone seriously suggests that Torts would kowtow to the advisors.

For better or worse, Briere/Torts/Jones is a clean break from the Flyers' past.

He's actually been pretty Holmgrenny. They are all of the same general mind. This isn't a group that can tolerate the slightest deviation from the way things have always been.


And I love that! They're committed to their beliefs no matter what!

 

[captainpaxil]

Repeat after me, the Flyers do not rebuild.

If they say they are rebuilding, they are lying. They will retool, tinker and take the occasional small step back to try and take a slightly bigger step forward, but they NEVER rebuild.

The sooner everyone realizes this, the happier they will be.

A rebuilding team trades Laughton and Seeler last year. A rebuilding team doesn’t sign Nic D to a 4 year deal.

The Flyers will rebuild when politicians vote for term limits and to reduce spending or when pigs fly.

I thought the rationale for signing dlo was pretty clearly we need someone to protect our young players. That's about preserving pride when you are down 3-0 which is what happens when you are rebuilding
Rebuilding is about moving guys you like. sanheim not seeler

 

[deadhead]

Rebuilding is simply about accumulating young assets (prospects and picks) instead of spending assets to add players who can help you win now.

Assets are relative, if you have a lot of cap room, adding low cost veterans on short-term deals has close to zero marginal cost in terms of the impact on rebuilding, and can provide you with tradable assets at the TDL. If you lack contract room, adding marginal prospects might block other moves.

Right now, the Flyers biggest problem is they're years away from a critical mass of young players who are NHL ready, Bonk, Barkey, Michkov, etc., the 2024 and 2025 drafts. Their AHL team has mostly 20-21 year old prospects who are a year or two away, older players like Laczynski and Allison have been derailed by injuries and are 26, Lycksell is already up, Brink and Andrae are 22, Ginning, Attard at 24 will get a look see but that's about it.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Rebuilding is simply about accumulating young assets (prospects and picks) instead of spending assets to add players who can help you win now.

Assets are relative, if you have a lot of cap room, adding low cost veterans on short-term deals has close to zero marginal cost in terms of the impact on rebuilding, and can provide you with tradable assets at the TDL. If you lack contract room, adding marginal prospects might block other moves.

Right now, the Flyers biggest problem is they're years away from a critical mass of young players who are NHL ready, Bonk, Barkey, Michkov, etc., the 2024 and 2025 drafts. Their AHL team has mostly 20-21 year old prospects who are a year or two away, older players like Laczynski and Allison have been derailed by injuries and are 26, Lycksell is already up, Brink and Andrae are 22, Ginning, Attard at 24 will get a look see but that's about it.

You recently said that development is a vital part of the process! Just wanted to remind you! I found it to be a very positive and correct statement!

 

[deadhead]

Development takes time. There are a few players who arrive like Venus on the half shell, but most players go through stages in their development, with D-men usually taking a year or so longer than forwards.

Teams tend to make the biggest mistakes being impatient with young players.
Sharp being a good example.

 

[Ghosts Beer]

Mike Eastwood was Keith Jones’ teammate (& I think captain) at Western Michigan.

 

[FlyerNutter]

Mike Eastwood was Keith Jones’ teammate (& I think captain) at Western Michigan.

Hah. Even better.

I was simply going to chalk it up to Bob Murray.

 

[Flyerfan4life]

#oldboisclub4life Yo.

"when you in! ur in.. "

 

[Don Nachbaur 26]

How did Mike Eastwood get the job here?

When did we get him?

 

[Beef Invictus]

Mike Eastwood was Keith Jones’ teammate (& I think captain) at Western Michigan.

I absolutely love and adore this positive loyalty this team holds for the people they met decades ago