2023-24 Roster Thread #7: A shave and a haircut, two bits

[Beef Invictus]

You know things are rosy when it’s debatable the best move they made for their defense group in recent years was trading for a player with 6 years and $38.5MM remaining on his contract who will play 4/492 games by the time it ends.

And we don’t even criticize that one!

I'm sure he will be running into Virgil in a few more games.

 

[Magua]

The Good: Trading Provorov

Debatable!

The player very much wanted out, and they were shitting themselves no one could replace his usage after they treated him like god’s gift for 500 (mostly mediocre) games.

They valued Helge Grans, and he’s continuing his sub-NHL arc. Another spot on young defender evaluation.

Still not a fan of the Bonk pick. Even if he hits, I don’t think he changes the calculus of the future defense group at all.

 

[wankstifier]

Debatable!

The player very much wanted out, and they were shitting themselves no one could replace his usage after they treated him like god’s gift for 500 (mostly mediocre) games.

They valued Helge Grans, and he’s continuing his sub-NHL arc. Another spot on young defender evaluation.

Still not a fan of the Bonk pick. Even if he hits, I don’t think he changes the calculus of the future defense group at all.

Hilarious that Walker might've been the best piece in the return

 

[freakydallas13]

Debatable!

The player very much wanted out, and they were shitting themselves no one could replace his usage after they treated him like god’s gift for 500 (mostly mediocre) games.

They valued Helge Grans, and he’s continuing his sub-NHL arc. Another spot on young defender evaluation.

Still not a fan of the Bonk pick. Even if he hits, I don’t think he changes the calculus of the future defense group at all.

Yeah, upon further introspection trading Provorov is mixed at best. I'm also on record that they didn't get enough in that trade when you factor in taking on Peterson's contract, and I stand by that.

 

[Magua]

York evaluation

I think this is bigger than Tortorella minimizing his season last year. York was objectively very good. Tortorella is an idiot — news at 11. He tried to fight the player in camp upon meeting him.

Even pre-draft, we had him pegged. He has always been efficiency oriented; he’s never been game breaking, functionally skilled but passive; he’s always looked more like a PP manager than a PP weapon. 5 years later, this still looks spot on. These aren’t criticisms — it’s what he is.

But that the team has been so utterly lost evaluating their own 1st round prospect, who has always been super easy to evaluate, speaks volumes. If you remember in their first preseason, Tortorella was bemoaning that he thought York was supposed to be dynamic, and he hasn’t seen that. We know where that report came from.

 

[iceman42]

Still not a fan of the Bonk pick. Even if he hits, I don’t think he changes the calculus of the future defense group at all.

Normally I err to the side of caution when projecting 17-18-year-old kids, but I really wanted Gabe Perreault at that spot, to me that was the Reagor/Jefferson pick all over again.

 

[trostol]

didn't they more or less luck into Walker

 

[iceman42]

didn't they more or less luck into Walker

blind squirrel and all that

 

[wankstifier]

didn't they more or less luck into Walker

They seem to luck into most of the good things

 

[renberg]

Normally I err to the side of caution when projecting 17-18-year-old kids, but I really wanted Gabe Perreault at that spot, to me that was the Reagor/Jefferson pick all over again.

I’m not against the Bonk pick. Good junior player at a position of need-RHD. He’s in a good program in London that has developed players in the past. Another strong plus for him is that he has been indoctrinated into the pro game through his Dad. He knows what it takes to be a pro and has decided to go down that path.

 

[Flyerfan4life]

Rundown on their D evaluations?!

-Ghost was so bad they had to pay to get rid of him
-Fisto was so good they had to pay an arm and a leg to get him
-Sanheim is washed, let's trade him for Krug
-Didn't know York was an NHLer until 1/4 into this season
-Marc Staal is worth signing in the year 2023. Also never scratch him.
-Developing Zamula is less important than winning games this season. Also less important than making sure Staal gets playing time.

What am I missing?

#rebuildcomplete banner unveiling

 

[JojoTheWhale]

I don't think I've ever agreed with an NHL draft take that included the phrase "at a position of need." We know better than to do that.

 

[Chicken N Raffls]

The mind games with this guy/org. Tries to fight the kid in camp, says he wants him to be aggressive offensively. Now says he wasn't sure he's an NHL guy except for his defense. TORTS is such a fraud anymore. Just throws out a bunch of cliche BS and expects people to never question him.

And this goes beyond him as well. Frost was getting mixed messages before he got here. Ghost got it. Jake mentioned it. They are just really bad at maximizing what players do well. Frustrating as a fan, and I can only imagine what the players feel about it

 

[Curufinwe]

Torts was playing him 20 minutes a game in that last quarter. Well, Torts and the other three acting head coaches.

 

[Striiker]

HAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHA

 

[Chicken N Raffls]

HAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHA

Sanheim seized an opportunity after what, 6 years? And a Provorov trade? And of course, can't forget.

 

[Striiker]

Sanheim seized an opportunity after what, 6 years? And a Provorov trade? And of course, can't forget.

He also got the spot by default. Who else was going to play there?

He should’ve been there years ago but Torts doesn’t know that and isn’t the one who suddenly realized it.

 

[Deadpool8812]

Hilarious that Walker might've been the best piece in the return

Depends what Briere can flip him for because that is the best use of Walker no matter how good he has been this season

 

[BrindamoursNose]

Tortorella is such a nincompoop, it hurts

 

[Curufinwe]

Hilarious that Walker might've been the best piece in the return

I think it's funnier that Walker is a better dman than Provorov.

 

[Curufinwe]

The PHD line are bottom of the class.

Atkinson's GA/60 is Yandle-bad. Hopefully that settles down soon.

Player Season Totals - Natural Stat Trick

ES GF% of Flyer forwards after 22 games

Frost 63.64 (10 healthy scratches)
Konecny 62.5
Foerster 60.87 (1 healthy scratch)

Farabee 59.26
Couturier 55.56
Brink 54.55 (5 healthy scratches)
Laughton 50

Tippett 46.88

Atkinson 39.39
Cates 38.89
Poehling 35.71 (3 healthy scratches)
Hathaway 28.57
Deslauriers 20

 

[ponder719]

Hilarious that Walker might've been the best piece in the return

The best piece is still the CBJ #1, independent of our capacity to use it well.

Walker may provide more value to the Flyers, depending on Bonk's development or lack thereof, but that would be an indictment of the Flyers, not of the relative value of the pieces involved.

 

[freakydallas13]

The PHD line are bottom of the class.

Atkinson's GA/60 is Yandle-bad. Hopefully that settles down soon.

Player Season Totals - Natural Stat Trick

ES GF% of Flyer forwards after 22 games

Frost 63.64 (10 healthy scratches)
Konecny 62.5
Foerster 60.87 (1 healthy scratch)

Farabee 59.26
Couturier 55.56
Brink 54.55 (5 healthy scratches)
Laughton 50

Tippett 46.88

Atkinson 39.39
Cates 38.89
Poehling 35.71 (3 healthy scratches)
Hathaway 28.57
Deslauriers 20

Noah "Fence" Cates near the bottom, thankfully Torts is trying to make room for him higher in the lineup.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

Kill me.

 

[Curufinwe]

I cannot wait for the future where Torts and Deslauriers are retired.