2023-24 Roster Thread #7: A shave and a haircut, two bits

[VladDrag]

The Flyers just finished game 41, halfway through the season. Before the season, I posted my point projections for each forward. At game 21, I uploaded projections for each player, and I am doing that again now. I am also posting the game 21 projections for reference. It’s important to note that the numbers provided are the number of goals/assists projected over an 82-game (total goal/assists divided by games played times 82).

GAME 21 Projections

Player	Goals	Assists	Points	Sh %	On Ice Sh%
Bobby Brink	21 (+6)	31 (+6)	52 (+12)	16.00%	11.27%
Cam Atkinson	31 (+8)	23 (+1)	54 (+9)	12.12%	9.17%
Garnet Hathaway	8 (-2)	4 (-6)	12 (-8)	8.70%	5.26%
Joel Farabee	31 (+6)	27 (+2)	58 (+8)	16.67%	10.29%
Morgan Frost	15 (-5)	15 (-27)	30 (-32)	12.50%	7.95%
Nicolas Deslauriers	0 (-5)	8 (+1)	8 (-4)	0.00%	2.33%
Noah Cates	4 (-11)	12 (-8)	16 (-19)	5.25%	5.41%
Owen Tippet	27 (+3)	27 (+9)	54 (+12)	10.14%	8.50%
Ryan Poehling	9 (-1)	18 (+6)	27 (+7)	8.00%	6.42%
Scott Laughton	4 (-9)	35 (+18)	39 (+9)	2.04%	9.83%
Sean Couturier	22 (-3)	39 (+14)	61 (+11)	10.87%	11.79%
Travis Konecny	43 (+8)	16 (-31)	59 (-23)	16.92%	10.92%
Tyson Foerster	4 (-9)	12 (-8)	16 (-17)	2.44%	8.08%

Game 41 Projections

Player	Goals	Assists	Points	SH%	On Ice Sh%
Bobby Brink	16 (+1)	25 (0)	41 (+1)	13.73​	10.27​
Cam Atkinson	16 (-7)	21 (-1)	37 (-8)	6.72​	7.44​
Garnet Hathaway	8 (-2)	2 (-8)	10 (-10)	10.81​	4.44​
Joel Farabee	24 (-1)	36 (+11)	60 (+10)	13.48​	9.89​
Morgan Frost	19 (-1)	19 (-23)	38 (-24)	12.73​	7.97​
Nicolas Deslauriers	0 (-5)	6 (-1)	6 (-6)	0​	2.8​
Noah Cates	4 (-11)	12 (-8)	16 (-19)	5.26​	5.41​
Owen Tippett	28 (+4)	20 (+2)	48 (+6)	9.72​	7.52​
Ryan Poehling	9 (+1)	16 (+4)	25 (+5)	8.33​	6.14​
Scott Laughton	6 (-7)	28 (+11)	34 (+4)	3.26​	7.54​
Sean Couturier	21 (-4)	38 (+13)	59 (+9)	8.93​	10.79​
Travis Konecny	42 (+7)	32 (-15)	74 (-8)	15.11​	10.39​
Tyson Foerster	10 (-3)	23 (+3)	33 (0)	5.75​	8.54​

Sometime later today, I might add my thoughts on a few skaters as well. But I'm running out of time right now.

 

[Curufinwe]

The organization should be utterly ashamed that Frost was healthy scratched 11 of the first 41 games. It makes no sense in terms of development, or from trying to win games.

 

[Flyerfan4life]

The organization should be utterly ashamed that Frost was healthy scratched 11 of the first 41 games. It makes no sense in terms of development, or from trying to win games.

add it to the list.. which is forever n a day long.

 

[BernieParent]

NAK has 11 points in 26 games and is +9. Makes $1.225m.


Deslauriers has 3 points in 38 game and is -7. Makes $1.75m.

Hathaway has 5 points in 39 games and is -9. Makes $2.375m.

Cates has 4 points in 21 games and is -3. Makes $2.625m.

The Flyers get less bang for their buck on the 4th line than most any team in the league.

The Flyers define 'bang' differently from you.

 

[BernieParent]

What do we need to do to trade for the 1st overall pick so we can nab Celebrini?

Kidnap Connor Bedard.

 

[Beef Invictus]

The organization should be utterly ashamed that Frost was healthy scratched 11 of the first 41 games. It makes no sense in terms of development, or from trying to win games.

They did that with the knowledge that he is their one young center.


...I am sure they meant well!

 

[Curufinwe]

COC didn't know. Poor COC.

Morgan Frost back in the Flyers lineup, but long-term fit questions remain - PHLY Sports

Morgan Frost's 15-day benching finally ended on Monday. But can he prove he needs to be part of the Flyers' future?

allphly.com

Right now, Frost does have a spot as one of the team’s top three centers. But out of the three, Frost’s long-term hold on a job appears the most tenuous. Sean Couturier may not be all the way back yet as a play-driving monster, but he has eight points in nine games thus far and (more importantly) has seven years remaining on a massive $62 million contract that includes a no-movement clause; most likely, Couturier isn’t going anywhere. Noah Cates last season provided similar offensive totals (eight fewer points) while grading out as far better defensively, and as long as Tortorella remains in the mix, Cates isn’t going anywhere.

That leaves Frost as the offense-first center in their mix, except 46 points in 81 games isn’t exactly standout production for a player with little two-way value. Without a further scoring leap, it probably won’t be enough to keep top prospect Cutter Gauthier from taking Frost’s spot down the middle once he signs his entry-level contract and turns pro — which could happen as soon as next spring.

 

[BernieParent]

They did that with the knowledge that he is their one young center.


...I am sure they meant well!

It will take time to get used to the kinder, gentler, tenderized Beef.

 

[BrindamoursNose]

Sell everything

 

[AdamParrot]

Tippett for Zegras.

Who says no?

 

[deadhead]

It will take time to get used to the kinder, gentler, tenderized Beef.

What is he using for the marinade?

 

[ponder719]

Tippett for Zegras.

Who says no?

Zegras.

 

[mja]

What is he using for the marinade?

Vinegar, obviously.

 

[Tripod]

Fwiw, Briere said in dealing Cutter they wanted a dman or a C back. They got the D, so expect a C target on the next deal they do, if they can.

 

[deadhead]

Fwiw, Briere said in dealing Cutter they wanted a dman or a C back. They got the D, so expect a C target on the next deal they do, if they can.

Well, it doesn't take a genius to see that center is the priority for this organization, given they don't have a single prospect who's a lock for the spot - can Barkey and Rizzo stay at center, is Ciernak a center, can Michkov move to center, is Desnoyers more than a 4C? Too many question marks.

It's much easier to move centers to wing than wings to center, so I'd prioritize centers too - but not to the extent of skipping over the obvious BPA.

LW is also a need, but land a couple centers and Cates can move there, and Barkey might be a better fit there, same with Rizzo, as well as Desnoyers, Avon, Ciernak.

 

[tnfrs]

Fwiw, Briere said in dealing Cutter they wanted a dman or a C back. They got the D, so expect a C target on the next deal they do, if they can.

pinto is back soon

Well, it doesn't take a genius to see that center is the priority for this organization, given they don't have a single prospect who's a lock for the spot - can Barkey and Rizzo stay at center, is Ciernak a center, can Michkov move to center, is Desnoyers more than a 4C? Too many question marks.

It's much easier to move centers to wing than wings to center, so I'd prioritize centers too - but not to the extent of skipping over the obvious BPA.

i wonder if rizzo will even sign

 

[BernieParent]

What is he using for the marinade?

Whatever it is, the alcohol content is definitely above 20%.

 

[deadhead]

pinto is back soon


i wonder if rizzo will even sign

Why wouldn't he, in fact I expect him to sign this spring, he's not going to have a bidding war, he's still limited by the CBA, and what team offers more opportunity for a young center? Flyers have money and a great opportunity to seize a job before they bring in young competition.

 

[tnfrs]

Why wouldn't he, in fact I expect him to sign this spring, he's not going to have a bidding war, he's still limited by the CBA, and what team offers more opportunity for a young center? Flyers have money and a great opportunity to seize a job before they bring in young competition.

ya youre right. thats f'n crazy.

 

[Flyerfan4life]

Tippett for Zegras.

Who says no?

Torts...

 

[Appleyard]

Well, with deadline only ~6 weeks away... can tell you what guys got on my new EHM save aha.

Atkinson: Late 1st
Walker: 2026 1st
Seeler: 2nd, 4th
Hathaway: 3rd
Staal: 4th, 4th
Deslauriers: 7th

Laughton and Ristolainen on the block... few days until deadline... some solid offers:

Best for Laughton: 2025 1st and 2025 4th (New Jersey, almost accepted)
Best for Risto: 2025 2nd

Briere getting anything less than that would be a disappointment then. Lmao.

 

[Curufinwe]

Fwiw, Briere said in dealing Cutter they wanted a dman or a C back. They got the D, so expect a C target on the next deal they do, if they can.

But they have Selke candidate Noah Cates about to return.

 

[Danko]

I don't think Atkinson has much trade value at this point

 

[FLYguy3911]

 

[Fire Tortorella]

Another player benched when playing in their hometown/state