2023-24 Roster Thread #7: A shave and a haircut, two bits

[FromOyVey2Matvei]

Holy shit are people still trying to defend Deslauriers and his role on this team?

He f***ing sucks. Take the absurd contract out of it and that statement still stands.

He has been responsible for us getting pinned in our own end for a minute plus (usually resulting in a goal against) in nearly every game of our road trip + the two since returning home.

He is a fossil. A relic of a bygone era. Time and the game (like pretty much every opposing player) have passed him by.

Continuing to put him on the ice, knowing he’ll likely be benched / reduced to a pathetic minutes share is wasting a roster spot.

If this team was actually tanking, it’d be fine. But for a team that’s having a nice little season, isn’t going to be near the bottom of the league and could in fact sneak into a playoff spot, Torts is doing a serious disservice to the other players in the room by continuing to put him out there.

 

[usahockey22flyers]

Agree on 44. I do think Hathaway is overpaid but can be valuable to any team in the NHL.

Cates would be an amazing plus 4th liner if he scratched Deslauriers.

 

[ponder719]

Actually, I'd go
Farabee - Couts - TK
Tippett - Frost - Brink
Foerster - Cates - Atkinson,
Laughton - Poehling - Hathaway.

Laughton just hasn't looked good at center.

Slight adjustment on that last but, but yeah, I'd be largely good with those lines, if we can't find a way to bench Atkinson for literally anyone else.

 

[wankstifier]

8 x $9M easily.

However be aware of that his game depends on his (fast) skating. And his skating will go down after 30 years...

Yeah, I still think that trading him for a BIG return is the best option for Philly.

What do we expect the return to be in a Konecny trade? Can they get similar quantity and quality back by turning more of the roster over?

In three years, I'd much rather have Konecny than all of Tippett, Poehling, and Laughton. By that time, their most skilled prospects will be on RFAs and they'll have shed $9.725MM in cap commitments when Petersen's and Atkinson's contracts expire. So, I think there's room for Konecny.

Maybe I'm willing to bet too much on Konecny remaining highly productive into his 30s.

 

[AdamParrot]

What do we expect the return to be in a Konecny trade? Can they get similar quantity and quality back by turning more of the roster over?

In three years, I'd much rather have Konecny than all of Tippett, Poehling, and Laughton. By that time, their most skilled prospects will be on RFAs and they'll have shed $9.725MM in cap commitments when Petersen's and Atkinson's contracts expire. So, I think there's room for Konecny.

Maybe I'm willing to bet too much on Konecny remaining highly productive into his 30s.

If I was GM, I probably would prefer to acquire young players instead of only draft picks.

For example, Buffalo has a lot of great young forwards already.

I hate to say it, but I'd also asked about Simon Nemec who has a potential to be an elite defenseman for many years.

Konecny is also still on great contract.

The best scenario is to make Recchi type deal. Konecny for young two young players with high upside. If not, then collect high draft picks + prospects.

 

[Curufinwe]

Briere will need a testicle transplant before making a trade that big.

He's too scared to even call up a decent 4th line forward option like Laczynski and tell Torts that he either sits Deslauriers, or Deslauriers gets waived.

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

They’re not willingly trading Konecny. Any trade that could happen would happen because Konecny wants to explore other options thus forcing their hand to begrudgingly doing so.

 

[Rebels57]

What do we need to do to trade for the 1st overall pick so we can nab Celebrini?

 

[deadhead]

Realistically, what do you think you could get for TK?
DeBrincat got a 1st, 2nd and 4th (2 years out)
Eichel & 3rd got Tuch, Krebs, 1st, 2nd (year later)
Mantha got 1st 2nd, Vrana (who we now know had issues) and Panik
ROR got Tage Thompson (late 1st rd pick), 1st and 2nd

So figure one top young player and a 1st probably in the 20s and a 2nd/3rd rd pick. That is, something similar to Giroux, with a prospect considered better than Tippett but not elite. It that really worth it for a 26 year old forward who'll be 29 when Michkov arrives (would you rather pay TK or sing a veteran FA in his late 20s in 2026?).

No one trades unprotected 1st rd picks anymore, most trades those picks are now top 10 protected, at best you might swing top 5 - and the teams most likely to trade would be offering picks likely to be in the mid-20s or worse.

 

[Magua]

In the off-season, I was pretty confident in my belief that unless something drastic happened with an immediate influx of elite talent (e.g. lottery pick), they should trade Konecny. If we are sitting here today with Ryan Leonard or Dalibor Dvorsky, I wouldn't be thinking twice. It's a wrap. But the Flyers lucked out drafting a 1st overall caliber talent. There's a legitimate non-delusional pathway to utilizing a 29 year old Konecny with Michkov. Wait for it.....wait for it.....

The issue? Making almost no effort to rebuild before that timeline. They can't even sell high on bottom 6, nearly 30 year old team mascots with nosediving numbers. They're already talking about how they're all set on top end skill; they don't even want to build a team with multiple stars. They'll very likely not be a contender throughout Michkov's RFA years and very likely spoil the 3-4 years of value in Konecny's next contract.

I don't really have a point. Just enjoying my piping hot brew of nihilism.

 

[trostol]

so um..yeah

 

[Curufinwe]

So uh, they gotta trade Walker now, right?

 

[SolidSnakeUS]

So uh, they gotta trade Walker now, right?

Torts approved this trade so he could scratch Drysdale to get people to stop complaining about him scratching Frost. He needs a new scapegoat.

 

[TB87]

I was skeptical of Gauthier being a star in the NHL so I’m nonplussed about this development.

Might as well get something for him after this:

 

[BrindamoursNose]

I cannot believe my f***ing eyes

 

[Adam Warlock]

This might be the first real Danny vs Torts showdown. He flat out said Drysdale is an NHL player and Brieres success is now very much tied to Drysdales.

 

[Curufinwe]

I was skeptical of Gauthier being a star in the NHL so I’m nonplussed about this development.

Might as well get something for him after this:
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You’re bewildered?

 

[wankstifier]

Or hope Cates

You’re bewildered?

He's plussed

 

[Curufinwe]

Plussed isn’t a word!

 

[ponder719]

Holy shit are people still trying to defend Deslauriers and his role on this team?

...oh, Christ.

I just realized, Nic the Slick played with Drysdale in Anaheim. They'll use their familiarity as a further excuse to keep him around, won't they?

 

[Flyerfan4life]

What do we need to do to trade for the 1st overall pick so we can nab Celebrini?

sell the franchise

 

[wankstifier]

Plussed isn’t a word!

Not with that attitude

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

 

[SolidSnakeUS]

Bullshit. Don't believe Torts lies.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Why? Why do this? Why think it? What's wrong with these people?