2023-24 Roster Thread #5: Where the boos aren't limited to Halloween

[FlyerNutter]

#FireTorts.

ps Frost! do yourself a favor kick open Brieres door and demand a trade away from this garbage franchise..

Right?

Honestly I laugh at his stupidity as a player. What does he pay his agent?

You are willingly sitting in an org with a coach that runs the show - that clearly is very willing to screw your NHL career.

Stupidest guy on the team

 

[Beef Invictus]

Right?

Honestly I laugh at his stupidity as a player. What does he pay his agent?

You are willingly sitting in an org with a coach that runs the show - that clearly is very willing to screw your NHL career.

Stupidest guy on the team

Tortorella could cost Frost millions. He wants to do that. Get away from him.

 

[Curufinwe]

How has the defensive wizard Cates managed to be on the ice for 5 of the 7 goals against this year.

Also on the ice for most ES goals against at 3.

Now now. It’s unfair to judge him on 3 games.

But totally fair to bench Frost after 2.

 

[VladDrag]

Frost is in a no win situation. He didn’t have arb rights, and basically had to sign what the team game him or not play. He could’ve pulled a Pinto, and not signed, but then he’s looking at playing ~100 games over 3 seasons. That’s not a great look for a guy trying to crack an NHL roster.

His best best right now is to play good soldier and try to get some meaningful minutes, increase his stock and request a trade later in the year.

 

[Phillyfan28]

Why does this not apply to anyone else?

Why aren't the people who played worse than Frost in the first two games out of the lineup?

Serious question, as I don’t watch a ton of game any more:

Does not one reporter ask this?

 

[Striiker]

Serious question, as I don’t watch a ton of game any more:

Does not one reporter ask this?

We don’t have one single reporter who actually does their job. They’re all just spineless mouthpieces who repeat whatever the team tells them to.

 

[renberg]

I’ve tried to be neutral on this Flyers-Frost situation but it’s gone off of the rails. The club wants him to be something that he isn’t. It’s been this way pre-Tortorella. It makes one wonder why they drafted him. It’s obvious that it’s not going to work now. The best thing to do is trade him. Sitting him or cutting his PT only stupidly destroys his value.

 

[Fight4yourRight]

I detest Tortorella. Just another stupid f***ing prick that gets off on arbitrarily punishing a select few guys who he personally dislikes because they don’t fall to their knees and tries to pass it off as “lessons.”

 

[FlyerNutter]

I detest Tortorella. Just another stupid f***ing prick that gets off on arbitrarily punishing a select few guys who he personally dislikes because they don’t fall to their knees and tries to pass it off as “lessons.”

Said it before, but that kind of behaviour in a regular work place would leave him with flat tires, or a nice sign on the door at the end of the work day.

He has power over guys trying to make a career in the game.

 

[Flyerfan4life]

I’ve tried to be neutral on this Flyers-Frost situation but it’s gone off of the rails. The club wants him to be something that he isn’t. It’s been this way pre-Tortorella. It makes one wonder why they drafted him. It’s obvious that it’s not going to work now. The best thing to do is trade him. Sitting him or cutting his PT only stupidly destroys his value.

its a Flyers tradition to ruin a player then dump them for pennies

 

[Rebels57]

Said it before, but that kind of behaviour in a regular work place would leave him with flat tires, or a nice sign on the door at the end of the work day.

He has power over guys trying to make a career in the game.

Coachs are by far the worst part of the entire sport.

 

[deadhead]

Frost just led an NHL team in ES points (noted: Konecny got hurt). Without being dicked around for 1-2 months, he’d have easily put up 20+ goals and 50+ points. Without being on the worst coached PP in the league, add to that accordingly.

Why is the lesson Frost needs to learn from rookies with 10 games played? How ridiculous. He’s also his own unique player, but we know that doesn’t fly. But by all means: do everything under the sun to excuse a coach’s deep-seated personal bias.

He also padded his stats against weak defenses to an unusual extent.

Frost was inconsistent in LHV, and has been in Philly. When he's not engaged offensively, he disappears for long stretches. There are numerous offensive forwards who have a good season and they never reach that level again. We still don't know if he's for real.

As Frost found out last year, show up, make things happen and you'll start every game and your minutes will increase. There's no "conspiracy" to get Frost, he's the victim of his lack of focus or whatever causes him to go MIA for long stretches.

Go back and look at Brink's play - he stood out almost every shift. Now whether he can keep that up over a long season remains to be seen. But that's what's expected at the pro level - doesn't mean you won 't have games where nothing clicks - but how often does say TK have a game where he's invisible?

 

[Tripod]

I am very surprised that Dead is defending shit team decisions. Never could have seen that coming.

Also, why is he only comparing him to Tk? Is there not an acceptable level below TK?

 

[Skull Knight]

delete

 

[Beef Invictus]

He also padded his stats against weak defenses to an unusual extent.

First, no. He didn't.


Second: Why didn't anyone else do so? If that's so easy.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Evidently this needs to be reposted. Since this shitty defense of bad decisions has already been dealt with.

I have nothing important happening right now. Let me go through all of Arizona's games and make a list of all the players who have scored 4 points against them. I fear this will take a while, as it's such a nonchalant occurrence that it should be written off.

1) Connor McDavid
2) Morgan Frost
3) JVR
4) Matt Tkachuk
5) Morgan Frost

Wow, that's it. 40% of the list is Frost. That's weird. See, I expected this to be a long list with all kinds of even just average players on it. Since it is apparently so easy to rack up 4 points on this team.

Maybe, perhaps...this feat isn't as easy as its made out to be? And it shouldn't be written off for no reason to push a bizarre pro-management narrative that depicts them as being less incompetent than they are?

 

[deadhead]

Well, if only we could just schedule bad defensive teams that don't aggressively forecheck!
Frost would be an all star.

My point about TK isn't about talent or scoring, but consistently having a presence, not just making pretty plays with the puck, but playing hard without the puck. TK can be out of control at times, but he rarely has a shift where you don't notice him. When Tippett has a bad game he's still noticeable, it's just that he's a stride behind or misfiring on his shot or his passes. But he's still flying around, trying to make things happen, even if he's flailing at times.

Frost isn't the only offensive player who disappears for long stretches, a lot of third tier guys in the NHL are like that, a few big games but a lot of times they're MIA. And that's often the difference between the middle six forwards and the top six forwards, not talent but consistency.

 

[Cody Webster]

If Frost was padding his stats against shit teams, while also being on a shit team, why was no other player also doing what Frost did?

 

[Beef Invictus]

Well, if only we could just schedule bad defensive teams that don't aggressively forecheck!
Frost would be an all star.

My point about TK isn't about talent or scoring, but consistently having a presence, not just making pretty plays with the puck, but playing hard without the puck. TK can be out of control at times, but he rarely has a shift where you don't notice him. When Tippett has a bad game he's still noticeable, it's just that he's a stride behind or misfiring on his shot or his passes. But he's still flying around, trying to make things happen, even if he's flailing at times.

Frost isn't the only offensive player who disappears for long stretches, a lot of third tier guys in the NHL are like that, a few big games but a lot of times they're MIA. And that's often the difference between the middle six forwards and the top six forwards, not talent but consistency.

Why doesn't everyone pad their stats against bad teams? Everyone plays those teams. How come everyone doesn't match Frost? Why is it only good players "padding their stats?"

It's a load of crap you made up to defend bad decisions. Just like the December 7 nonsense last year.

 

[FlyerNutter]

Know what I’m more concerned about, than Frost padding his stats?

When the last alumni night happened to be. The pigs will be getting restless, and in this new era I want to ensure we continue to pay homage to the past.

 

[deadhead]

Why doesn't everyone pad their stats against bad teams? Everyone plays those teams. How come everyone doesn't match Frost? Why is it only good players "padding their stats?"

It's a load of crap you made up to defend bad decisions. Just like the December 7 nonsense last year.

Style of play. Cates' scoring is spread out evenly, b/c he's more of a mucker, the clean ice you get from bad defenses doesn't help him much.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Style of play. Cates' scoring is spread out evenly, b/c he's more of a mucker, the clean ice you get from bad defenses doesn't help him much.

That doesn't make any sense. In fact, it sounds like bullshit.

As I already showed you back in January when you first tried this nonsense, this isn't some common thing. If play style determined if you ran up points on bad teams then a whole lot more players would do it. Very few players did. This is as untrue as the old "Carter only scores in blowouts" claim.

 

[BringBackHakstol]

Deadhead deadhead deadhead deadhead

 

[deadhead]

Why would Torts like Brink if he hates Frost?
Brink is actually more skilled than Frost, Frost is merely a faster skater.
Why is Atkinson a Tort's favorite? He doesn't hit or block shots, has gotten Lady Byng votes.

The Tort's "hates skill" theory falls apart quickly.

 

[VladDrag]

Style of play. Cates' scoring is spread out evenly, b/c he's more of a mucker, the clean ice you get from bad defenses doesn't help him much.

Are you saying it's easier for Frost to score against less effective defense? But, then wouldn't that make him a good powerplay player? After all, penalty killing defense is less effective than even strength defense.