2023-24 Roster Thread #5: Where the boos aren't limited to Halloween

[Curufinwe]

Was it just a few weeks ago we were seeing predicted D pairings like this?

York-Walker
Sanheim-Risto
Zamula-Seeler/Staal

 

[deadhead]

Well, we just saw
York - Sanheim
Staal - Walker
Zamula - Seeler

When Risto returns, looks like Staal has beat out Seeler, question is how will they shuffle the RHDs around.

Hate to disappoint some of you but if Couts is 100%, and Brink is as good as he looked tonight, it's going to hard for this team to be bad. Brink has a chance to be special, best looking playmaker since G left town.

There's a reason Torts rides Frost hard, coming off a season where he earned a 2C spot, played two terrible games outside of one good period down 5-2. Laughton isn't nearly as good a center, but was out there flying around making good things happen. And Cates isn't as talented offensively, but flashed the same elite defense we saw last season.

It's up to Frost to show he deserves a top nine berth when he gets back on the ice, he hasn't done enough in his career to be gifted anything. Right now Foerster is probably the odd man out if Frost picks it up, b/c while he's been solid, there's a lot of room for improvement, still too dependent on blasting away and needs to learn how to set up his shot.

 

[Cody Webster]

Seeler must really suck if he's beating out Staal for playing time once Fisto returns. Hilarious that they saw him as a valuable piece last year and wouldn't trade him. Great move from a great organization

Also hilarious that Frost hasn't done anything to be gifted a spot but Cates has. Love it

 

[deadhead]

Seeler must really suck if he's beating out Staal for playing time once Fisto returns. Hilarious that they saw him as a valuable piece last year and wouldn't trade him. Great move from a great organization

Also hilarious that Frost hasn't done anything to be gifted a spot but Cates has. Love it

I don't know they were actually offered much for Seeler, no rumor that I remember.
Seeler has been playing RHD, and doesn't look as comfortaable on his off side.

Cates played an excellent game last night.

I think he and Laughton out shot Vancouver on their PK shifts, and he broke up a number of scoring chances 5x5. Eventually should end up at LW, but first we need to find a couple more reliable centers.

It's time to stop making excuses for Frost, he sucked the first two games. It's up to him to pick it up.

 

[Curufinwe]

If Cates was "excellent" why did Torts give him the third lowest ES ice time of any forward? 5:27 fewer than Couturier, and only 3 seconds more than the 4C, Poehling.

https://www.naturalstattrick.com/game.php?season=20232024&game=20042

Cates has the worst shot attempt percentage of any Flyer forward after three games. Even worse than Frost, who has supposedly been so bad than he deserved to be benched. Forwards who are flashing"elite defense" don't have the second highest CA/60 on the team, especially when Couturier is the one getting the toughest opponents now.

Player Season Totals - Natural Stat Trick

 

[Beef Invictus]

Well, we just saw
York - Sanheim
Staal - Walker
Zamula - Seeler

When Risto returns, looks like Staal has beat out Seeler, question is how will they shuffle the RHDs around.

Hate to disappoint some of you but if Couts is 100%, and Brink is as good as he looked tonight, it's going to hard for this team to be bad. Brink has a chance to be special, best looking playmaker since G left town.

There's a reason Torts rides Frost hard, coming off a season where he earned a 2C spot, played two terrible games outside of one good period down 5-2. Laughton isn't nearly as good a center, but was out there flying around making good things happen. And Cates isn't as talented offensively, but flashed the same elite defense we saw last season.

It's up to Frost to show he deserves a top nine berth when he gets back on the ice, he hasn't done enough in his career to be gifted anything. Right now Foerster is probably the odd man out if Frost picks it up, b/c while he's been solid, there's a lot of room for improvement, still too dependent on blasting away and needs to learn how to set up his shot.

Seeler isn't leaving the lineup.

Frost already proved it. You don't need to humiliate yourself like this.

 

[captainpaxil]

Brinks looks like the player I wanted frost to be . I'm very impressed with poehling and cats has zero offense I respect his grit but he belongs nowhere near offensive players

 

[deadhead]

Brinks looks like the player I wanted frost to be . I'm very impressed with poehling and cats has zero offense I respect his grit but he belongs nowhere near offensive players

Frost is faster and bigger than Brink, he should look at Brink and realize he can do the same thing.
One big difference is Frost dominated the CHL at 19-20, Brink dominated the NCAA at 20.

 

[tnfrs]

i wonder if torts texted him to stay home

 

[bennysflyers16]

Tortsy is a Puke, he always communicates we are told.

And Big Z still can't be spoken in the same level as Staalsy and Seelsy, this clown is such a dino.

 

[Kelmitchell2]

I'm watching the press roe show that snow the goalie does, that Kevin guy is so insufferable, right away mentioned the "great" 4th line of the islanders, and man, I can't believe these guys get paid to do this, they mentioned the league has 4th lines just like this and the flyers won't change it until the rest of the league does. Why can't the flyers be trend setters? We haven't been good in many years, why not take a chance to have skill through all 4 lines? What could it possibly hurt at this point? We have been stuck in between dog shit and mediocrity for over a decade, following the rest of the league hasn't worked, why not take that chance? That's the difference between an organization like the eagles compared to the flyers. Also, I'm already so sick of hearing these guys slobbering over the yandle 2.0, I mean Marc Staal and his "mentoring veteran presence" also, sick of hearing how Nicky d keeps teams honest, as if these teams haven't been taking runs at us all season already

 

[deadhead]

I'm watching the press roe show that snow the goalie does, that Kevin guy is so insufferable, right away mentioned the "great" 4th line of the islanders, and man, I can't believe these guys get paid to do this, they mentioned the league has 4th lines just like this and the flyers won't change it until the rest of the league does. Why can't the flyers be trend setters? We haven't been good in many years, why not take a chance to have skill through all 4 lines? What could it possibly hurt at this point? We have been stuck in between dog shit and mediocrity for over a decade, following the rest of the league hasn't worked, why not take that chance? That's the difference between an organization like the eagles compared to the flyers. Also, I'm already so sick of hearing these guys slobbering over the yandle 2.0, I mean Marc Staal and his "mentoring veteran presence" also, sick of hearing how Nicky d keeps teams honest, as if these teams haven't been taking runs at us all season already

We have 12 skillful forwards?

 

[Flyerfan4life]

I'm watching the press roe show that snow the goalie does, that Kevin guy is so insufferable, right away mentioned the "great" 4th line of the islanders, and man, I can't believe these guys get paid to do this, they mentioned the league has 4th lines just like this and the flyers won't change it until the rest of the league does. Why can't the flyers be trend setters? We haven't been good in many years, why not take a chance to have skill through all 4 lines? What could it possibly hurt at this point? We have been stuck in between dog shit and mediocrity for over a decade, following the rest of the league hasn't worked, why not take that chance? That's the difference between an organization like the eagles compared to the flyers. Also, I'm already so sick of hearing these guys slobbering over the yandle 2.0, I mean Marc Staal and his "mentoring veteran presence" also, sick of hearing how Nicky d keeps teams honest, as if these teams haven't been taking runs at us all season already

because this Org. foundational Pillars are built on 1970s hockey.. every single idea flows from that.

its why nothing will ever change here until that tie is severed completely... but personaly i dont think it ever will.

 

[bennysflyers16]

because this Org. foundational Pillars are built on 1970s hockey.. every single idea flows from that.

its why nothing will ever change here until that tie is severed completely... but personaly i dont think it ever will.

Off top of my head, no Canada team other than Leafs ice such slop, none of the NY/NJ teams, who are these other teams ?

 

[Kelmitchell2]

We have 12 skillful forwards?

Lmao that was funny, I like that, but no, I mean like if we did, why couldn't we be the one to go against the grain? We aren't good the way we are, why not try being the first to try something? Worse comes to worse it doesn't work, but at this point what's the harm?

 

[Magua]

Lmao that was funny, I like that, but no, I mean like if we did, why couldn't we be the one to go against the grain? We aren't good the way we are, why not try being the first to try something? Worse comes to worse it doesn't work, but at this point what's the harm?

Brink-Couturier-Tippett
Farabee-Frost-Konecny
Foerster-Cates-Atkinson
Laughton-Poehling-Hathaway

They could ice this lineup tomorrow. Not even acknowledging guys like Allison, Laczynski, Lycksell are in the AHL and they could sub for Mr. 1st+2nd.

“We have 12 skillful forwards?” The answer is yes. More middle 6 than top end — but skilled nevertheless.

 

[Kelmitchell2]

Brink-Couturier-Tippett
Farabee-Frost-Konecny
Foerster-Cates-Atkinson
Laughton-Poehling-Hathaway

They could ice this lineup tomorrow. Not even acknowledging guys like Allison, Laczynski, Lycksell are in the AHL and they could sub for Mr. 1st+2nd.

“We have 12 skillful forwards?” The answer is yes. More middle 6 than top end — but skilled nevertheless.

I mean seriously, do you guys think what I'm saying is weird? Or wrong? I mean realistically I'm not saying we will Ice an all star team of talent, but what's wrong with icing 12 forwards with skill? Regardless if the rest of the league are doing it or not?

 

[Magua]

I mean seriously, do you guys think what I'm saying is weird? Or wrong? I mean realistically I'm not saying we will Ice an all star team of talent, but what's wrong with icing 12 forwards with skill? Regardless if the rest of the league are doing it or not?

No, you’re right. But the Flyers are permanently 5-10 years behind any trend and choose to follow the blueprint of bubble teams like the Islanders. The only reason the Flyers cannot establish their own trend is because they’re still catching up to the current ones.

The latest one that will be out of date by the time they try to actualize it: “We need to build a Vegas-like defense!”

 

[flyerslducks]

Hopefully Atkinson gains some value. We should retain and trade him at the deadline. Play the kids, lose, draft high for when michkov comes. Of course, none of this will happen sigh

 

[Beef Invictus]

Frost is faster and bigger than Brink, he should look at Brink and realize he can do the same thing.
One big difference is Frost dominated the CHL at 19-20, Brink dominated the NCAA at 20.

If he tries and makes a single mistake he will be benched.

Is that good development?

 

[Magua]

Frost just led an NHL team in ES points (noted: Konecny got hurt). Without being dicked around for 1-2 months, he’d have easily put up 20+ goals and 50+ points. Without being on the worst coached PP in the league, add to that accordingly.

Why is the lesson Frost needs to learn from rookies with 10 games played? How ridiculous. He’s also his own unique player, but we know that doesn’t fly. But by all means: do everything under the sun to excuse a coach’s deep-seated personal bias.

 

[deadhead]

Lmao that was funny, I like that, but no, I mean like if we did, why couldn't we be the one to go against the grain? We aren't good the way we are, why not try being the first to try something? Worse comes to worse it doesn't work, but at this point what's the harm?

I think if we had skillful, physical forwards like Holmgren, Carter or Couts at the bottom of the roster, we'd field a skillful 4th line.

Few teams in today's NHL, between 32 teams drafting and the salary cap, field more than 7-8 skillful forwards, the rest are a mixture of forwards who can skate but not puck handle, skills without skating, and so on.

Laughton is a good example, ask him to play a high energy forechecking game and he'll create and capitalize on scoring chances, but ask him to play a skill game and his limitations are exposed.

 

[Striiker]

Why does this not apply to anyone else?

Why aren't the people who played worse than Frost in the first two games out of the lineup?

 

[Tripod]

How has the defensive wizard Cates managed to be on the ice for 5 of the 7 goals against this year.

Also on the ice for most ES goals against at 3.

 

[Flyerfan4life]

Why does this not apply to anyone else?

Why aren't the people who played worse than Frost in the first two games out of the lineup?

#FireTorts.

ps Frost! do yourself a favor kick open Brieres door and demand a trade away from this garbage franchise..