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they already tried to move Frost.Didn't have any takers for the asking price of a 1st rd pick.
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i dont remember seeing that but nobodys paying a 1st for Frost last year for sure. The price might go up if he improves on last year but if the reports are true hes holding out because of a reduced role, hes probably not going to get the ice time. With Gauthier coming next year potentially as a center Frost is probably out anyways if he cant play the wing.
 
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I don't think a rebuild has to be a ten year schedule.. And you don't need 4-5 superstars.

The Flyers are unlikely to land the elite players that powered Chicago, TB.
But Wash, St Louis and Vegas have won 3 of the last 6 Cups, Florida, Montreal, Dallas, Boston, Vegas were the losers.
It is still a team sport. What stands out is how unimportant the PP is by itself, it is the balance of PP and PK that matters.
Nor were these three teams carried by exceptional goalie play.

ES Scoring [ST net, PP & SH - PPA - SHA]
2017-18 Caps: [STs net -2]
Ovechkin (32) 32-24 56
Kuznetsov (25) 19-33 52
Backstrom (30) 14-31 45
Eller (28) 15-17 32
Oshie (31) 9-20 29
Wilson (23) 13-20 33
Burakovsky (22), Vrana (21), Beagle (32), Smith-Pelly (25), Connolly (25), Stephenson (23)

Carlson (28) 11-25 36, Orlov (26) 10-17 27, NIskanen (31) 7-21 28, Kempny (27 - TDL), Orpik (37, Djoos (23)

Holtby RS .907, PO .922

2018-19 Blues [STs net +5]
ROR (27) 21-31 52
Schenn (27) 13-29 42
Tarasenko (27) 21-25 46
Schwartz (26) 9-22 31
Perron (30) 16-16 32
Bozak (32) 11-19 30
Sundqvist (24), Steen (34), Thomas (19), Sanford (24), Barbashev (23), Maroon (30)

Pietrangelo (29) 10-15- 25, Parayko (25) 6-13 19, Bouweester (35), Edmundson (25), Dunn (22) 9-18 27, Gunnersson (32)

Binnington RS .927, PO .914

2022-23 Vegas [STs +4, due to 10 SH goals]
Stone (30) 12-15 27 (43g)
Stephenson (28) 9-38 47
Eichel (26) 25-26 51
Barbashev (27 - TDL)
Karlsson (30) 10-29 39
Marchessault (32) 19-22 41
R Smith (32) 16-26 42
Roy (25), Howden (24), Amadio (26), Carrier (28), Kolesar (25)

Pietrangelo (33) 10-28 38, Theodore (25) 6-26 32 (59g), McNabb (32), Martinez (35), Whitecloud (26), Hague (24)

HIll, RS .915, PO .917
 
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tnfrs said:
i dont remember seeing that but nobodys paying a 1st for Frost last year for sure. The price might go up if he improves on last year but if the reports are true hes holding out because of a reduced role, hes probably not going to get the ice time. With Gauthier coming next year potentially as a center Frost is probably out anyways if he cant play the wing.
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I wouldn't jump to any conclusions.

First, this reduced role is speculation, since it depends on both Couts' health and how Torts will alternative Cates and Frost.
Odds are Frost will get the bulk of O-zone starts and weaker matchups, with Tippett and Atkinson as his wings.
Cates will get the tougher defensive assignments with Laughton and Foerster as wings (more physical).
If Couts is healthy, both will have their PT slightly reduced, along with the 4th liners (why you don't want prospects on the 4th line).

The hangup is money, they don't want to pay big money on a long-term deal based on 56 games where Frost padded his stats against weak sisters.
So they'll agree on a one year deal, and revisit next summer.
 
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deadhead said:
I wouldn't jump to any conclusions.

First, this reduced role is speculation, since it depends on both Couts' health and how Torts will alternative Cates and Frost.
Odds are Frost will get the bulk of O-zone starts and weaker matchups, with Tippett and Atkinson as his wings.
Cates will get the tougher defensive assignments with Laughton and Foerster as wings (more physical).
If Couts is healthy, both will have their PT slightly reduced, along with the 4th liners (why you don't want prospects on the 4th line).

The hangup is money, they don't want to pay big money on a long-term deal based on 56 games where Frost padded his stats against weak sisters.
So they'll agree on a one year deal, and revisit next summer.
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You have no idea what the hang up is.

Also, why didn't any of the other NHL players pad their stats like Frost did against those bad teams?

Edit: Also, "I wouldn't jump to any conclusions" as you proceed to jump to conclusions is top notch.
 
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deadhead said:
I wouldn't jump to any conclusions.

First, this reduced role is speculation, since it depends on both Couts' health and how Torts will alternative Cates and Frost.
Odds are Frost will get the bulk of O-zone starts and weaker matchups, with Tippett and Atkinson as his wings.
Cates will get the tougher defensive assignments with Laughton and Foerster as wings (more physical).
If Couts is healthy, both will have their PT slightly reduced, along with the 4th liners (why you don't want prospects on the 4th line).

The hangup is money, they don't want to pay big money on a long-term deal based on 56 games where Frost padded his stats against weak sisters.
So they'll agree on a one year deal, and revisit next summer.
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they could also be slow rolling a sign and trade, we're all speculating, everything posted here is speculation thats the best part. its like that show whos line is it anyways, the points dont matter
 
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deadhead said:
I wouldn't jump to any conclusions.

First, this reduced role is speculation, since it depends on both Couts' health and how Torts will alternative Cates and Frost.
Odds are Frost will get the bulk of O-zone starts and weaker matchups, with Tippett and Atkinson as his wings.
Cates will get the tougher defensive assignments with Laughton and Foerster as wings (more physical).
If Couts is healthy, both will have their PT slightly reduced, along with the 4th liners (why you don't want prospects on the 4th line).

The hangup is money, they don't want to pay big money on a long-term deal based on 56 games where Frost padded his stats against weak sisters.
So they'll agree on a one year deal, and revisit next summer.
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How many points did Tippet get again the weak sisters?
 
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blackjackmulligan said:
How many points did Tippet get again the weak sisters?
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I think he padded a bit as as well, notice they signed him to a two year deal, they won't paying him off one good season.
Cates is the one who scored against the better teams.

Almost all NHL players perform better against bad teams. It just makes sense — it’s easier to produce against weaker competition. But in 2022-23, Frost took it to a pretty ridiculous level. Against teams that rank in the bottom-12 in the final NHL standings, Frost was dominant. Against everyone else? Well, the stats tell the tale.

frost-vs-compe.png


Cates also had better advanced metrics than Frost:


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frost-2223-1024x692.png

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deadhead said:
I don't think a rebuild has to be a ten year schedule.. And you don't need 4-5 superstars.

The Flyers are unlikely to land the elite players that powered Chicago, TB.
But Wash, St Louis and Vegas have won 3 of the last 6 Cups, Florida, Montreal, Dallas, Boston, Vegas were the losers.
It is still a team sport. What stands out is how unimportant the PP is by itself, it is the balance of PP and PK that matters.
Nor were these three teams carried by exceptional goalie play.

ES Scoring [ST net, PP & SH - PPA - SHA]
2017-18 Caps: [STs net -2]
Ovechkin (32) 32-24 56
Kuznetsov (25) 19-33 52
Backstrom (30) 14-31 45
Eller (28) 15-17 32
Oshie (31) 9-20 29
Wilson (23) 13-20 33
Burakovsky (22), Vrana (21), Beagle (32), Smith-Pelly (25), Connolly (25), Stephenson (23)

Carlson (28) 11-25 36, Orlov (26) 10-17 27, NIskanen (31) 7-21 28, Kempny (27 - TDL), Orpik (37, Djoos (23)

Holtby RS .907, PO .922

2018-19 Blues [STs net +5]
ROR (27) 21-31 52
Schenn (27) 13-29 42
Tarasenko (27) 21-25 46
Schwartz (26) 9-22 31
Perron (30) 16-16 32
Bozak (32) 11-19 30
Sundqvist (24), Steen (34), Thomas (19), Sanford (24), Barbashev (23), Maroon (30)

Pietrangelo (29) 10-15- 25, Parayko (25) 6-13 19, Bouweester (35), Edmundson (25), Dunn (22) 9-18 27, Gunnersson (32)

Binnington RS .927, PO .914

2022-23 Vegas [STs +4, due to 10 SH goals]
Stone (30) 12-15 27 (43g)
Stephenson (28) 9-38 47
Eichel (26) 25-26 51
Barbashev (27 - TDL)
Karlsson (30) 10-29 39
Marchessault (32) 19-22 41
R Smith (32) 16-26 42
Roy (25), Howden (24), Amadio (26), Carrier (28), Kolesar (25)

Pietrangelo (33) 10-28 38, Theodore (25) 6-26 32 (59g), McNabb (32), Martinez (35), Whitecloud (26), Hague (24)

HIll, RS .915, PO .917
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A rebuild isn't a 3 year schedule.
 
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tnfrs said:
they could also be slow rolling a sign and trade, we're all speculating, everything posted here is speculation thats the best part. its like that show whos line is it anyways, the points dont matter
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This off season has been the slowest one in a few years. Some clubs have holes in their roster that are crying to be filled if they are going to compete yet are doing nothing.
It looks like a few teams are waiting for the release of the report on the CNT scandal in order to see who they have/don't have on their club. I do not believe for a minute that the teams don't know if their players were involved in the mess and to what degree. The League FO could do something to help clear this up by stating what the punishments for the participants in the assault will be.
 
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deadhead said:
I think he padded a bit as as well, notice they signed him to a two year deal, they won't paying him off one good season.
Cates is the one who scored against the better teams.

Almost all NHL players perform better against bad teams. It just makes sense — it’s easier to produce against weaker competition. But in 2022-23, Frost took it to a pretty ridiculous level. Against teams that rank in the bottom-12 in the final NHL standings, Frost was dominant. Against everyone else? Well, the stats tell the tale.

frost-vs-compe.png


Cates also had better advanced metrics than Frost:


cates-2223-1024x692.png



frost-2223-1024x692.png

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he was signed before last season no?
 
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