2023-24 Roster Thread 4: September is National Bourbon Heritage Month

[deadhead]

They are on a 3 year plan. We know how this will work out in the end. They have zero patience to wait the next couple years. Shit Chucks picks haven't even "arrived" let alone this past draft.

If they have any improvement the co-GM will want to add next off season. Not still "rebuild"

There isnt much of a path for the prospects at the current time.

We don't know what their plan is, I don't take what Jones says seriously, there's going to be pressure to sound optimistic about the rebuild, b/c ST holders may not be willing to wait 5-6 years. Nor has he stated what "competitive" means, I expect them to compete for a last PO spot in three years once Michkov arrives - that doesn't mean "mission accomplished."

Everything Briere and Torts have said for the last season points to a long rebuilding process, not a "tear it down to the studs" but not a "gee, we played above expectations, let's go sign a couple FAs to bloated contracts" either.

It seems their desired path is to push to compete, then gradually work in young talent into a positive environment (not, we're playing out the string for a top draft pick so pad your stats). In this case, players will be gradually phased out and replaced by younger players, instead of dumped en mass.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

Yeah, I wouldn't take anything serious that shows that i'm wrong either.

 

[tnfrs]

We need everyone to be better if Risto and Sanheim are going to be better, if the forwards like Farabee Frost and Tippett improve, if TK doesnt regress thats a good start. If Couturier is healthy all year that helps us relieve some pressure defensively, and if Cates improves thats even better. York is another name I want to see take on a bigger role. If they all have bad starts then we should throw the towel in early. But if we can start strong maybe that makes it easier to move Risto or Sanheim, or even Couturier and thats what I want from this season. if it means we pick outside the top 10 this year and still have a a few players left to make up decent core for Cutter to play with next season, im okay with that. 2025 we have more spots open for prospects to compete for but if we're going to be shit this year, let the current players bear that burden first. Its too many "Ifs" for everything to go right, but a few things will, and we start building from that point.

 

[blackjackmulligan]

We don't know what their plan is, I don't take what Jones says seriously, there's going to be pressure to sound optimistic about the rebuild, b/c ST holders may not be willing to wait 5-6 years. Nor has he stated what "competitive" means, I expect them to compete for a last PO spot in three years once Michkov arrives - that doesn't mean "mission accomplished."

Everything Briere and Torts have said for the last season points to a long rebuilding process, not a "tear it down to the studs" but not a "gee, we played above expectations, let's go sign a couple FAs to bloated contracts" either.

It seems their desired path is to push to compete, then gradually work in young talent into a positive environment (not, we're playing out the string for a top draft pick so pad your stats). In this case, players will be gradually phased out and replaced by younger players, instead of dumped en mass.

Well then doesn't that speak volumes in a negative way? How phuck cant not know what your plan is after last season?

Torts is driving this train. He has more say imo than anyone. Maybe I am wrong.

I do not care what they or anyone says. I go by actions and what I believe knowing how this franchise is run.

So then not much has changed.

 

[blackjackmulligan]

We need everyone to be better if Risto and Sanheim are going to be better, if the forwards like Farabee Frost and Tippett improve, if TK doesnt regress thats a good start. If Couturier is healthy all year that helps us relieve some pressure defensively, and if Cates improves thats even better. York is another name I want to see take on a bigger role. If they all have bad starts then we should throw the towel in early. But if we can start strong maybe that makes it easier to move Risto or Sanheim, or even Couturier and thats what I want from this season. if it means we pick outside the top 10 this year and still have a a few players left to make up decent core for Cutter to play with next season, im okay with that. 2025 we have more spots open for prospects to compete for but if we're going to be shit this year, let the current players bear that burden first. Its too many "Ifs" for everything to go right, but a few things will, and we start building from that point.

no matter what kind of year he has that is unmovable imo. Especially by the deadline.

O hope they are stuck with that contract for the duration. Also hope #14 is miserable here. Didn't he say also he didn't re-sign for any rebuild or something like that?

 

[FlyerNutter]

I am curious who the first member to fall will be.

Torts is staying on in a senior advisor role most definitely with support of the alumni who this organization slobbers over. Same goes for Jones.

Danny is probably on the shortest of leashes in terms of being banished completely.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Torts is a strong motivator and his emphasis on two way play is one where I think he's a solid guy to have played for even when a team isn't successful. I think the team will be worth watching this year for gaging a few things. How much has cooter recovered can sanheim get the opportunity to succeed is frost a core piece how much can tk up his value. What the hell is going on in goal

He's the coach players least want to play for, which doesn't seem very motivational at all.

NHL players vote on the top 5 most hated coaches in the league.

Who do players least want to play for?

www.hockeyfeed.com

 

[tnfrs]

no matter what kind of year he has that is unmovable imo. Especially by the deadline.

O hope they are stuck with that contract for the duration. Also hope #14 is miserable here. Didn't he say also he didn't re-sign for any rebuild or something like that?

why?

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

I am curious who the first member to fall will be.

Torts is staying on in a senior advisor role most definitely with support of the alumni who this organization slobbers over. Same goes for Jones.

Danny is probably on the shortest of leashes in terms of being banished completely.

I’d say Keith Jones. I don’t think he’s here for the long haul. I think i’s reasonable to believe that they just brought him in for PR reasons and once the job is “done” he’ll take a back seat and go back to his regular life.

 

[Beef Invictus]

I’d say Keith Jones. I don’t think he’s here for the long haul. I think i’s reasonable to believe that they just brought him in for PR reasons and once the job is “done” he’ll take a back seat and go back to his regular life.

He and Briere are the most sacrificial. Clearly.

They adore Tortorella and Flahr for no good reason.

 

[blackjackmulligan]

why?

Because he had a chance to leave and go to a contender and choose to stay. Mind boggling to me when you see how bad this franchise has been. Like others before him he is comfortable in a no pressure environment.

 

[flyersnorth]

I was considering re-upping Sportsnet NOW Premium to watch the Flyers because I'm interested in seeing some of the younger guys and how they do.

But capitalists gonna capitalist. We have no more NHL Gamecenter in Canada. It now belongs under the SN umbrella. Last year they threw us a bone and kept the price at $179. This year it's $249 I think.

I just want hockey. I don't care about the other bullshit sports you think I want to watch and have to pay for.

Why can't we just have that option?

tl;dr f*** you, Sportsnet. I'm out.

 

[tnfrs]

Because he had a chance to leave and go to a contender and choose to stay. Mind boggling to me when you see how bad this franchise has been. Like others before him he is comfortable in a no pressure environment.

i dont think thats a reason to cheer against him. if we dont figure out something on defense it wont matter what we do with the forwards. we need the bad contracts off the books. risto you can make a case for burying him on the 3rd pair until his contract runs out, but thats really bad asset management. you can do the same with sanheim and ride it out until 2027 and buy him out, but thats two spots that cant be filled by developing players and all the players we do pair with them probably dont develop under ideal conditions. so it makes more sense to sign schlubs to play with them. everyone whos playing for the phantoms this year has a chance to make a solid run in the playoffs down there, the roster will be overflowing with young guys. the better the phantoms perform over the next few years the better the development system as a whole gets and the more quality players we can start producing for the roster later when it matters again, right now all that matters is everyone we have signed plays the most meaningful hockey they can. rushing everyone up now does nothing for us that marc staal and ryan poehling wont already do.

 

[BringBackHakstol]

The flyers PP sucking because they didn't think it was important and try at it is a new HOF HF Flyers meme.

 

[Flyerfan4life]

no matter what kind of year he has that is unmovable imo. Especially by the deadline.

O hope they are stuck with that contract for the duration. Also hope #14 is miserable here. Didn't he say also he didn't re-sign for any rebuild or something like that?

both Cooter and Hart have said they didnt sign on for a rebuild

 

[tnfrs]

both Cooter and Hart have said they didnt sign on for a rebuild

‘With a lot to prove,' Couturier knows what can define Flyers' rebuild

Danny Briere wouldn’t give a timeline for the Flyers’ rebuild. Sean Couturier knows what can dictate it. By Jordan Hall

www.nbcsportsphiladelphia.com

"Rebuild or not, for me anyways, in the situation I'm in with the two back surgeries, it's important to come back strong and show that I can be the player I was before the injury," Couturier said. "We're using the rebuild word, but I think it's on us players to just make sure we come ready and we can maybe speed up the process. That's on us to just develop and grow as a team, and we'll see how it goes next year."

he maybe didnt sign his new contract thinking about a rebuild but it doesnt sound like he wants out. and if he does, and if hes healthy, thats probably the easiest request to fulfill. if hes not healthy it doesnt matter, we'll be shit.

 

[blackjackmulligan]

i dont think thats a reason to cheer against him. if we dont figure out something on defense it wont matter what we do with the forwards. we need the bad contracts off the books. risto you can make a case for burying him on the 3rd pair until his contract runs out, but thats really bad asset management. you can do the same with sanheim and ride it out until 2027 and buy him out, but thats two spots that cant be filled by developing players and all the players we do pair with them probably dont develop under ideal conditions. so it makes more sense to sign schlubs to play with them. everyone whos playing for the phantoms this year has a chance to make a solid run in the playoffs down there, the roster will be overflowing with young guys. the better the phantoms perform over the next few years the better the development system as a whole gets and the more quality players we can start producing for the roster later when it matters again, right now all that matters is everyone we have signed plays the most meaningful hockey they can. rushing everyone up now does nothing for us that marc staal and ryan poehling wont already do.

it is for me!!!

flyers actually don't have a lot of long term bad deals. 3 imo.

both Cooter and Hart have said they didnt sign on for a rebuild

Hart as well, no kidding. Didn't see that one.

 

[BackToTheBrierePatch]

I don’t think Couturier is tradable in the short term. Just have to hope he can come close to regaining some of his form. But I expect him to start off slow then get better as the season goes along

 

[tnfrs]

I don’t think Couturier is tradable in the short term. Just have to hope he can come close to regaining some of his form. But I expect him to start off slow then get better as the season goes along

if mark stone can have a similar back surgery and win a stanley cup 4 months later, I think a younger sean couturier with a full year and off season of recovery will probably be able to slide into the lineup pretty easily. the conditioning is the biggest concern but youve been a high level athlete your whole life that type of muscle memory comes back incredibly fast. if we had been anywhere close to a playoff spot in 2023, Couturier would have been back in the lineup at some point.

 

[deadhead]

I doubt Couts goes anywhere.

For one thing, given the length of the contract, and his health issues, he'd have to be lights out this season to get anything of value for him, and cap room won't be an issue going forward for 4-5 years (when they have to extend Michkov at $10M a year!).

So unless he's really unhappy and wants to uproot his family, my bet is he stays the course, becomes the veteran voice in the locker room.

Just look at all the veterans Jersey has added the past two seasons:
Meier (26) $8.8M
Hamilton (30) $9M
Palat (32) $6M
Toffoli (31) $4.5M
Haula (32) $3.15M
Siegenhaler (26) $3.4M
Vanecek (27) $3.4M

Three years from now, instead of signing a 32 year old FA, they can just keep Couts around.

 

[Curufinwe]

Because he had a chance to leave and go to a contender and choose to stay. Mind boggling to me when you see how bad this franchise has been. Like others before him he is comfortable in a no pressure environment.

When he signed his extension they were one year past being the league's 6th best regular season team and going to game 7 in the second round. He also had a year left on his contract, so it wasn't like he was a pending free agent. Laughable that you claim he was in a no pressure environment. Clueless chuds in the fanbase and the morons in the media were piling pressure on Couturier for being a 3C-at-best for the most of his time in Philly.

How come you don't use that weird nickname for Couturier here that you always call him on hockeybuzz?

 

[BrindamoursNose]

The flyers PP sucking because they didn't think it was important and try at it is a new HOF HF Flyers meme.

Grammar is really important sometimes

 

[blackjackmulligan]

When he signed his extension they were one year past being the league's 6th best regular season team and going to game 7 in the second round. He also had a year left on his contract, so it wasn't like he was a pending free agent. Laughable that you claim he was in a no pressure environment. Clueless chuds in the fanbase and the morons in the media were piling pressure on Couturier for being a 3C-at-best for the most of his time in Philly.

How come you don't use that weird nickname for Couturier here that you always call him on hockeybuzz?

he is a chump for staying here and stevie wonder could see they werent/gonna be contenders. Yes a year left means a team could have had him for 2 playoff runs. Would have returned a haul.Once again the flyers screwed up by not moving him. What else you have today?

Yep a no pressure country club environment. No one bothers him. Walks down the street no one knows who he is. How much of a priority is winning to him? The Flyers brand is dead.He did learn from the best.

 

[Chicken N Raffls]

We don't know what their plan is, I don't take what Jones says seriously

You miss lawyering worse than I miss playing "rough house." AKA 21 or 31. And that's hard to do.

 

[deadhead]

They already have two top picks in Gauthier and Michkov. One or two more is all you should require to rebuild, the bulk of rebuilding is finding solid players (not necessarily stars, but solid starters like Killorn, etc.) later in the draft. The Flyers found York (14), Farabee (14), Sanheim (17), TK (24), Foerster (23), Hart (52), Lindblom and Cates 5th rd. Key is don't blow too many high picks on Rubtsov, JOB, Ratcliffe, etc. And don't trade a 1st and 2nd for Risto.