2023-24 Roster Thread 4: September is National Bourbon Heritage Month

[freakydallas13]

Lines in today's scrimmages:

Konecny - Couturier - Tippett
Farabee - Frost - Atkinson
Laughton - Cates - Foerster
Deslauriers - Poehling - Hathaway

Swap frost and Cates, and that's pretty much exactly what I expect the opening night roster to be. Maybe have Foerster be the 13th forward so some try hard AHL plug can play 17 games.

 

[freakydallas13]

Man, just looking at the roster and seeing how little the Fletcher era has contributed.

Tippet
Foerster
Atkinson (anchor)
York
Risto (Anchor)

That is who will realistically be on the roster? Maybe also Brink who management is already writing off? That's pathetic for 4 drafts that started 5 years ago. Who is even waiting in the wings after Cutter...Attard? Not to mention to dead cap space we have fixing his messes, and the pathetic lack of picks he left the team with despite being the 7th and 4th worst team leauge wide the last 2 years.

What a failure on every front Fletcher's reign was. Good riddance, you bozo.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Man, just looking at the roster and seeing how little the Fletcher era has contributed.

Tippet
Foerster
Atkinson (anchor)
York
Risto (Anchor)

That is who will realistically be on the roster? Maybe also Brink who management is already writing off? That's pathetic for 4 drafts that started 5 years ago. Who is even waiting in the wings after Cutter...Attard? Not to mention to dead cap space we have fixing his messes, and the pathetic lack of picks he left the team with despite being the 7th and 4th worst team leauge wide the last 2 years.

What a failure on every front Fletcher's reign was. Good riddance, you bozo.

Minnesota has needed years to recover from him and Flahr. They're still in the woods. He's up there with Milbury.

 

[Cody Webster]

Swap frost and Cates, and that's pretty much exactly what I expect the opening night roster to be. Maybe have Foerster be the 13th forward so some try hard AHL plug can play 17 games.

What a dead weight, no talent, useless, brown bag of burning dog shit, 4th line

 

[Fight4yourRight]

What a dead weight, no talent, useless, brown bag of burning dog shit, 4th line

You have to admit though, those 3 will be hard to play against.

 

[PDX Flyer]

Man, just looking at the roster and seeing how little the Fletcher era has contributed.

Tippet
Foerster
Atkinson (anchor)
York
Risto (Anchor)

That is who will realistically be on the roster? Maybe also Brink who management is already writing off? That's pathetic for 4 drafts that started 5 years ago. Who is even waiting in the wings after Cutter...Attard? Not to mention to dead cap space we have fixing his messes, and the pathetic lack of picks he left the team with despite being the 7th and 4th worst team leauge wide the last 2 years.

What a failure on every front Fletcher's reign was. Good riddance, you bozo.

Don’t forget our #1 D

 

[TB87]

Boucher, Ostapchuk, Kleven -- I'd bet anything the Flyers are eyeing one of these beauties for taking on that Joseph contract. This team isn't capable of surprising.

Not familiar with the 2nd name list there but Boucher and Kleven are practically clones of the Flyers many, many, many, many, many, many, many, many draft busts over the years that were picked cuz they big & are ”tough to play against.”

 

[Rebels57]

Boucher, Ostapchuk, Kleven -- I'd bet anything the Flyers are eyeing one of these beauties for taking on that Joseph contract. This team isn't capable of surprising.

It's obviously Boucher, 100 f***ing percent chance.

 

[tnfrs]

It's obviously Boucher, 100 f***ing percent chance.

briere thought he could get away with drafting Bonk to fill the quota of former player's kids but it doesnt count for two reasons: Bonk never played for Philly, and his son is good

 

[deadhead]

Gendron so far has made nepotism look good.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Gendron so far has made nepotism look good.

No he hasn't. Good god. Look at the state of the team.

 

[FlyerNutter]

 

[deadhead]

Seems Briere isn't a pushover:

Rumor is he's asking for a 1st or a specific prospect (probably Grieg) to take on Joseph's contract.

Rumor: - Philadelphia wanted a 1st rounder, or specific prospect to take Joseph from Ottawa

According to the 32 thoughts podcast the price for Philadelphia to take Joseph from Ottawa So they could sign Pinto was very high, either a 1st rounder or specific prospect, Ottawa balked at that and rightly so. Just Waive Matthew Joseph and bury as much of his salary as you can and add that to...

forums.hfboards.com

Stay tuned. Ottawa is cap strapped and needs the room, Briere has the flexibility to work out a deal (lesser prospect or draft pick in return?).

 

[JojoTheWhale]

I don't really understand why Joseph is a negative asset.

I also don't know why the Flyers would go out and get a guy turning 27 in February, but yes I would happily take him if someone is paying me.

 

[deadhead]

I don't really understand why Joseph is a negative asset.

I also don't know why the Flyers would go out and get a guy turning 27 in February, but yes I would happily take him if someone is paying me.

The three year contract for a 3LW is probably too rich for most playoff teams. He's not as valuable as Laughton who can fill more roles and is a better goal scorer.

If Briere could get a decent price out of Ottawa, the Flyers could flip Joseph or trade Laughton (and probably take a contract back, maybe an overpaid 4th line talent so a team could upgrade at little cap cost and the Flyers could bury the player in LHV).

It's what Briere should be doing, looking to add young assets around the margin.

 

[wankstifier]

I don't really understand why Joseph is a negative asset.

I also don't know why the Flyers would go out and get a guy turning 27 in February, but yes I would happily take him if someone is paying me.

I’m missing the nuances that say Laughton is a positive and Joseph is a negative. Also, don’t understand the hold up. Trade Laughton elsewhere for space, take the pick and run. Establishing culture is hard, teeth gnashing work.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Joseph is a thing they should flip for more return. He has no point to the future otherwise.

 

[JojoTheWhale]

The three year contract for a 3LW is probably too rich for most playoff teams. He's not as valuable as Laughton who can fill more roles and is a better goal scorer.

If Briere could get a decent price out of Ottawa, the Flyers could flip Joseph or trade Laughton (and probably take a contract back, maybe an overpaid 4th line talent so a team could upgrade at little cap cost and the Flyers could bury the player in LHV).

It's what Briere should be doing, looking to add young assets around the margin.

I'm trying to agree with you, but I don't even think Laughton is a better Goal Scorer unless you go by raw Goals. That's just the effect of Tortorella playing him so much last year and it ending up with 18 Goals. If you do a 2019-20 through 2021-22 or 2020-21 through 2022-23 sample size, Joseph scores slightly or moderately more 5v5 Goals/60.

If Briere had sold Laughton for the rumored deal and got paid anything of substance to take Joseph, I would be telling you that's excellent GMing. But they can't trade Laughton because OOooOoOOINTANGIBLESOOooOo, so here we sit for the 3rd? 4th? year in a row with you explaining to me that Scott Laughton is so much more than the sum of his parts. I don't care if he physically transforms into Voltron on the PK. Trade him when you get a real offer.

I’m missing the nuances that say Laughton is a positive and Joseph is a negative. Also, don’t understand the hold up. Trade Laughton elsewhere for space, take the pick and run. Establishing culture is hard, teeth gnashing work.

1st rounder vs 4th rounder

 

[deadhead]

I think Briere is willing to trade almost any player, but they're in no rush.

They also want to field a competitive (i.e. respectable, not PO quality) team to create a good environment as they add top talent in the draft the next few years.

So moves may come toward the end of training camp, at the TDL and before next summer's draft, depending how fast and which prospects develop.

 

[Beef Invictus]

I think Briere is willing to trade almost any player, but they're in no rush.

They also want to field a competitive (i.e. respectable, not PO quality) team to create a good environment as they add top talent in the draft the next few years.

So moves may come toward the end of training camp, at the TDL and before next summer's draft, depending how fast and which prospects develop.

They've made it pretty clear that they aren't willing to trade almost anyone. They're only willing to trade who Tortorella hates.

They won't be adding top talent in the draft if they're fielding competitive teams. And because they refuse to trade their most valuable pieces, they minimize their chances at hitting at the draft.

This kind of bizarre dissonance is the natural result of trying to defend an indefensible process.

 

[Kelmitchell2]

I think Briere is willing to trade almost any player, but they're in no rush.

They also want to field a competitive (i.e. respectable, not PO quality) team to create a good environment as they add top talent in the draft the next few years.

So moves may come toward the end of training camp, at the TDL and before next summer's draft, depending how fast and which prospects develop.

The problem is, he's going to end up waiting to long, and instead of a 1st, the value is going to tank down to a 3rd or a 4th and somehow it will still be defended as a very solid move, when in reality it should have been made at the draft when there were some really good players still available

 

[blackjackmulligan]

I think Briere is willing to trade almost any player, but they're in no rush.

They also want to field a competitive (i.e. respectable, not PO quality) team to create a good environment as they add top talent in the draft the next few years.

So moves may come toward the end of training camp, at the TDL and before next summer's draft, depending how fast and which prospects develop.

I think your incorrect. He had no problem throwing Tony D and Hayes out the door. That was rushed.

How does one rebuild and field a competitive team? Sounds like the Ronald plan. Which was doomed to fail.

They've made it pretty clear that they aren't willing to trade almost anyone. They're only willing to trade who Tortorella hates.

They won't be adding top talent in the draft if they're fielding competitive teams. And because they refuse to trade their most valuable pieces, they minimize their chances at hitting at the draft.

This kind of bizarre dissonance is the natural result of trying to defend an indefensible process.

this is pretty clear

 

[deadhead]

I think your incorrect. He had no problem throwing Tony D and Hayes out the door. That was rushed.

How does one rebuild and field a competitive team? Sounds like the Ronald plan. Which was doomed to fail.


this is pretty clear

I don't think "competitive" means a PO team to them.

I think it's more like last season v the two previous seasons, where they consistently came back and stayed in games, even if they eventually lost. Much better environment for developing young players than a team going through the motions.

Though one never knows, CBJ was pretty bad when Torts took over, he turned it around without adding a lot of talent (basically Gagner after he stunk out the joint here), just by getting players to play harder and more disciplined. Same with Brind'Amour in Carolina, where they shuffled the deck (Hanifan and Lindholm out, Hamilton in) but didn't really add much talent.

 

[Beef Invictus]

I don't think "competitive" means a PO team to them.

I think it's more like last season v the two previous seasons, where they consistently came back and stayed in games, even if they eventually lost. Much better environment for developing young players than a team going through the motions.

Though one never knows, CBJ was pretty bad when Torts took over, he turned it around without adding a lot of talent (basically Gagner after he stunk out the joint here), just by getting players to play harder and more disciplined. Same with Brind'Amour in Carolina, where they shuffled the deck (Hanifan and Lindholm out, Hamilton in) but didn't really add much talent.

He didn't turn shit around. He didn't add talent. Jarmo did.

 

[FlyerNutter]

Lol at the idea Briere is running the team