2023-24 Roster Thread 4: September is National Bourbon Heritage Month

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Joseph has 3yr/$2.95M.
He's basically a 3rd line winger, LH who's played RW.
Seems to be a good PK, but otherwise run of the mill, decent defense, meh offense.
Taking on his contract shouldn't come cheap, moving him elsewhere will require taking money back. But he might have value to a PO team that needs forward depth.

Mathieu Joseph: Joseph has only played 33 games this season due to injury, but when he’s in the lineup he provides the Senators exactly what you look for in a bottom six forward. He is used primarily at even strength and the penalty kill. The 6-foot-1, 190-pound forward averages 14 minutes of ice time. He contributes secondary offense (three goals, 10 assists) and can be relied upon to start and end periods with his responsible play. I continue to appreciate Joseph’s game. He’s an energy provider who competes every night.

Ostapchuk might interest Briere, center whose future is probably LW. Good speed, size, limited offensive skill, bottom six forward. Wheeler likes him. But is he worth 3 years of Joseph clogging the roster?

Boucher is a mediocre RW, pass.
Kleven is a stay at home LHD, we have plenty of those. Is he better than Ginning?

Ridley Greig is the prospect I'd target. But we might have to throw in a sweetener.

Greig is a driven, up-tempo forward of equal parts skill and work ethic who can play centre and the wing. He’s defined by his tenaciousness, but he can make plays in traffic, his wrister is accurate (though I wouldn’t say it’s threatening from long range), he’s willing to attack and try things, and he almost never looks to cheat or play selfishly within that game. He’s also an August birthday, which gives him continued runway to add elements offensively. He’s a gamer.
 

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Boucher, Ostapchuk, Kleven -- I'd bet anything the Flyers are eyeing one of these beauties for taking on that Joseph contract. This team isn't capable of surprising.
Do they have anyone who's interesting?
 

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Do they have anyone who's interesting?

Not really. There’s no chance they’re packaging Greig with a <$3MM dump, since I know that name will come up.

Ironically, Ottawa has fetishized size and grit and size and more grit — plugs mainly — with their last few classes. Pretty embarrassing drafts. So, the more appropriate question is: who don’t the Flyers find interesting?
 

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Not really. There’s no chance they’re packaging Greig with a <$3MM dump, since I know that name will come up.

Ironically, Ottawa has fetishized size and grit and size and more grit — plugs mainly — with their last few classes. Pretty embarrassing drafts. So, the more appropriate question is: who don’t the Flyers find interesting?
Briere/Flahr seem to only like big players with skill (at least in the first 5 rounds):
Gauthier, Kaplan, Foerster, Bump.
 

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Briere/Flahr seem to only like big players with skill (at least in the first 5 rounds):
Gauthier, Kaplan, Foerster, Bump.

Well sure, if you ignore all the skill-void big players they love.

Adding another PK bottom sizer is yet more pandering to Tortorella. He must be thumping the table for more. Team is simply too skilled.
 
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Briere/Flahr seem to only like big players with skill (at least in the first 5 rounds):
Gauthier, Kaplan, Foerster, Bump.

We’ve had this discussion before: he likes quotas. There can only be X number of this type and Y of that type, and when the numbers don’t work, draft for fit. “Skill” is also as vague as it gets and open to interpretation. They drafted some players with skill (read: prioritize shooting) in the 1st round, including a 5th overall pick…..when should we applaud?

Ottawa has a bunch of shit that Flahr would go wild over is the point.
 

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Lines in today's scrimmages:

Konecny - Couturier - Tippett
Farabee - Frost - Atkinson
Laughton - Cates - Foerster
Deslauriers - Poehling - Hathaway

Lycksell - Desnoyers - Brink
Fauchon - Lacyznski - Allison
Gendron - Gardner - Tuomaala
Furry - Brooks - Wisdom

TK and Tippett both tried on the left side
Ssanheim at RHD

Interesting that they put Fauchon with two NHL players, may mean they want a good look before they decide to offer an ELC or AHL contract.
 

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Lines in today's scrimmages:

Konecny - Couturier - Tippett
Farabee - Frost - Atkinson
Laughton - Cates - Foerster
Deslauriers - Poehling - Hathaway

Lycksell - Desnoyers - Brink
Fauchon - Lacyznski - Allison
Gendron - Gardner - Tuomaala
Furry - Brooks - Wisdom

TK and Tippett both tried on the left side
Ssanheim at RHD

Interesting that they put Fauchon with two NHL players, may mean they want a good look before they decide to offer an ELC or AHL contract.
What were D pairs ?
 

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We’ve had this discussion before: he likes quotas. There can only be X number of this type and Y of that type, and when the numbers don’t work, draft for fit. “Skill” is also as vague as it gets and open to interpretation. They drafted some players with skill (read: prioritize shooting) in the 1st round, including a 5th overall pick…..when should we applaud?

Ottawa has a bunch of shit that Flahr would go wild over is the point.
No, they have a bunch of shit that Hextall would have gone wild over.
 

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What were D pairs ?
Charlie says they were mixing and matching too much to say what the pairs were.

Torts said in his press conference that they're doing a lot more scrimmages this year to see players in game action instead of conditioning drills, because he doesn't think 6 exhibition games gives players enough time (given how many are in camp, and the last couple exhibition games are used for the starters to get their game legs).
 

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Charlie says they were mixing and matching too much to say what the pairs were.

Torts said in his press conference that they're doing a lot more scrimmages this year to see players in game action instead of conditioning drills, because he doesn't think 6 exhibition games gives players enough time (given how many are in camp, and the last couple exhibition games are used for the starters to get their game legs).
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No, they have a bunch of shit that Hextall would have gone wild over.

So how come Flahr goes wild over that stuff? And so far, Briere, too? Has it ever dawned on you that Hextall thinks just like the rest of the team, but that wasn't the problem? Why do you think they didn't change a single practice or thing he did? His only sin in their eyes was not making Clarke feel special.
 
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Well sure, if you ignore all the skill-void big players they love.

Adding another PK bottom sizer is yet more pandering to Tortorella. He must be thumping the table for more. Team is simply too skilled.

If their objective is really wanting to add a bottom-sixer to appease Tortorella, I wonder why they're supposedly caught up on the price necessary to absorb Joseph's contract. Doesn't sound like Joseph is the piece they're concerned with here.

These are the exact type of trades I heard were the value-on-the-margins types that good GMs make, that a rebuilding team should be doing when they have cap space to leverage.

 

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If their objective is really wanting to add a bottom-sixer to appease Tortorella, I wonder why they're supposedly caught up on the price necessary to absorb Joseph's contract. Doesn't sound like Joseph is the piece they're concerned with here.

These are the exact type of trades I heard were the value-on-the-margins types that good GMs make, that a rebuilding team should be doing when they have cap space to leverage.



Maybe if they prove that they actually like the pick more for once and not the bottom six player.
 

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Maybe if they prove that they actually like the pick more for once and not the bottom six player.

Yes, that would be proven based on the demand to require a pick/prospect rather than just trying to poach Joseph from a team in cap trouble.
 

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Why would they want to poach Joseph?

Briere is trying to leverage Ottawa's need to dump cap to extract value.
I'm sure if they end up with Joseph he'll move another forward for more assets.
Joseph for example might make Laughton expendable. Replace him at LW and PK.

But Briere will probably be patient, I'm sure he wants to see how Couts holds up in camp, same with Atkinson, how Foerster, Allison, Laczynski, Desnoyers look.
 

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Yes, that would be proven based on the demand to require a pick/prospect rather than just trying to poach Joseph from a team in cap trouble.

That's an afterthought. The whole point is getting yet another bottom six player to block more skilled youth, because that's what Tortorella wants. I do not know why you're electing to ignore the main point of the trade. Seems like an important thing to consider!
 
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That's an afterthought. The whole point is getting yet another bottom six player to block more skilled youth, because that's what Tortorella wants. I do not know why you're electing to ignore the main point of the trade. Seems like an important thing to consider!

If that was the main point of the trade then it would have already happened sans prospect/pick.

You think the Flyers want to appease Tortorella with another bottom six player and presumably value Joseph, yet aren't simply pulling the trigger to acquire him for free?
 

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If that was the main point of the trade then it would have already happened sans prospect/pick.

You think the Flyers want to appease Tortorella with another bottom six player and presumably value Joseph, yet aren't simply pulling the trigger to acquire him for free?

Fletcher isn't negotiating anymore.
 
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