2023-24 Roster Thread 4: September is National Bourbon Heritage Month

[BiggE]

This organization deserves nothing but scorn and derision. Period.
For a decade now, it’s been crap in the front office, crap behind the bench, and crap on the ice. They should put the dog who shit on their logo in their dipshit hall of fame.

Danny Briere? Yeah, whatever. Does Shitcast still own the team? Is Clarke still around? Nothing’s gonna change.

Sell the team. Or better yet, move them and give us a f***ing expansion team because this organization is garbage.

 

[Cody Webster]

Absolutely shocked by a certain player used in this....

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

Absolutely shocked by a certain player used in this....

Sanheim unveiled the blouses, didn’t he?

Or was that the RR’s?

 

[Cody Webster]

Sanheim unveiled the blouses, didn’t he?

Or was that the RR’s?

This one?

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

This one?

Yeah, guess it was the RR’s then.

 

[CutOnDime97]

Sanheim unveiled the blouses, didn’t he?

Or was that the RR’s?

He did

icethetics.com: Flyers combine past and present in updated uniforms

Jun 25, 2023 – The Philadelphia Flyers take inspiration from previous jerseys in creating an refreshed look that changes their iconic shade of orange.

www.icethetics.com

 

[deadhead]

Playing 50 games over 2 seasons for one of the worst teams in the leauge does not an NHL player make. Especially since last season he only played 9 games.

So you don't consider Laczynski a NHL player? So he wasn't blocked?

 

[Deadpool8812]

Surprised they didn't just get Deslauriers and Gritty to unveil the jerseys

 

[freakydallas13]

So you don't consider Laczynski a NHL player? So he wasn't blocked?

Are you saying it's impossible for an NHL player to be blocked? Where did I go out and defend Tanner as being an NHL players like you jumped up to do for Wilman?

Also, while I have you here, you never told me what you think about Cassidy being fired because of the poor way he handled the young players. What do you think about that?

 

[Striiker]

Those jerseys are a shitty downgrade

 

[SolidSnakeUS]

Those jerseys are a shitty downgrade

Just like the fact that there be multiple vet starters (terrible vets) over kids that clearly should be in the NHL, and the fact that it's a "burnt" orange now, this team is f***ing cooked.

 

[deadhead]

Are you saying it's impossible for an NHL player to be blocked? Where did I go out and defend Tanner as being an NHL players like you jumped up to do for Wilman?

Also, while I have you here, you never told me what you think about Cassidy being fired because of the poor way he handled the young players. What do you think about that?

What I think is those "young" players (who were 24-25 years old) had a sense of entitlement.
Then they float through a hot regular season and go belly up in the playoffs.

Meanwhile, Cassidy take his "tough guy" approach to Vegas, where a veteran team was more receptive b/c they were frustrated by backsliding and got them to play his way, lead the league in blocked shots, and won the Cup. There were other factors, like getting Stone back for the playoffs, but I do think there is something to the idea that playoff hockey is different than the regular season.

Some of it is simply hot goalies rule, but some of it is grit, Tkachuk brought that to Florida, the guys he was traded for produced offensively, but didn't play with his edge.

The problem with HCs who push is eventually the message grows old, which is why you have to build internal accountability - players have to hold each other responsible instead of waiting for the HC to reem a few players. One way you do this is move out players who make excuses for their failures or blame their teammates for their struggles. Even when true, it rarely goes over well in the clubhouse unless the player is harder on himself than his teammates.

Are you saying it's impossible for an NHL player to be blocked? Where did I go out and defend Tanner as being an NHL players like you jumped up to do for Wilman?

It's rare that a GOOD NHL player is blocked.
It's the marginal guys who get blocked, the cream rises to the top.

The question becomes if the player is marginal due to lack of talent, injuries or just not ready for the NHL right now. Lack of talent is hard to fix, injuries tend to give a player the benefit of the doubt until they become chronic, not ready means he'll get second and third chances over time.

 

[FlyerNutter]

all those young people with a sense of entitlement huh

Don’t come close to the level of entitlement held by the pigs that are Flyer alumni.

 

[Striiker]

More lying

“Starting over” means trading two shitty players the coach doesn’t like, one overrated whiner who sucked and was overpaid, but doing absolutely nothing that resembles a rebuild.

 

[SolidSnakeUS]

More lying

“Starting over” means trading two shitty players the coach doesn’t like, one overrated whiner who sucked and was overpaid, but doing absolutely nothing that resembles a rebuild.

So why the f*** is he even here? Why not hire him as a developmental coach or some bullshit and actually let the kids play? And he doesn't have to take up a roster spot or cap.

 

[Flyerfan4life]

More lying

“Starting over” means trading two shitty players the coach doesn’t like, one overrated whiner who sucked and was overpaid, but doing absolutely nothing that resembles a rebuild.

bookmark that tweet for when Staal dress' 82 games..

hahaaa

So why the f*** is he even here? Why not hire him as a developmental coach or some bullshit and actually let the kids play? And he doesn't have to take up a roster spot or cap.

hint... cuz they arent actualy rebuilding

 

[Striiker]

More lying

“Starting over” means trading two shitty players the coach doesn’t like, one overrated whiner who sucked and was overpaid, but doing absolutely nothing that resembles a rebuild.

More bullshit

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

More bullshit

That’s a shitty rebuild then.

 

[Audible Velvet]

More lying

“Starting over” means trading two shitty players the coach doesn’t like, one overrated whiner who sucked and was overpaid, but doing absolutely nothing that resembles a rebuild.

II’m sure you’ll tuck this one away to counter his BS later. Thank you in advance.

More bullshit

What was the first step?

 

[Rebels57]

II’m sure you’ll tuck this one away to counter his BS later. Thank you in advance.


What was the first step?

Establishing "culture" is im sure what he is referring to

 

[Beef Invictus]

What I think is those "young" players (who were 24-25 years old) had a sense of entitlement.
Then they float through a hot regular season and go belly up in the playoffs.

This is a complete lie invented by Hextall, and completely embraced by the team so thoroughly it's the very core-most value of their development process. The idea that anyone with any skill is entitled and has to be broken down drives everything they do. It's a major reason they chased Tortorella. It is the worst thing Hextall ever did and it is clear the only way to break the trance is to fire everyone.

 

[Striiker]

The team, players, coaches, management, and media are all blatantly lying about what's going on, even though their actions clearly prove them wrong, because they know most fans are stupid enough to believe it.

One lucky draft pick, a new set of jerseys, and a new slogan and all the idiots are back to spending money and attending games.

Best part is that now when the team is unwatchably horrible and the fans get all worked up they can just say that it's because of the "rebuild" the fans asked for. We can't blame them for giving us what we wanted, right?!

By the time all the fanboy idiots realize that no real progress is being made these pricks will have been employed and paid for half a decade and figure out someone or something else to blame. Like maybe saying that this is why they never wanted to "rebuild" in the past, since it doesn't guarantee success.

 

[Magua]

That’s a shitty rebuild then.

It’s a 3 year rebuild according to Keith Jones. And we’re in year 2 according to Tortorella. This is wonderful news. They’ll be a playoff team before Michkov even arrives!

 

[JojoTheWhale]

Now I see why they kept Laughton. He’ll still be 30 when the rebuild is officially done. You need support players. And support players for your support players. And support players as Healthy Scratches to make sure you always have enough support players. When Michkov comes over, I personally hope they send him out for his first Shift with 7 Forwards who Do The Dirty Work and 4 Defensemen who can Cover His Ass.

 

[freakydallas13]

What I think is those "young" players (who were 24-25 years old) had a sense of entitlement.
Then they float through a hot regular season and go belly up in the playoffs.

Meanwhile, Cassidy take his "tough guy" approach to Vegas, where a veteran team was more receptive b/c they were frustrated by backsliding and got them to play his way, lead the league in blocked shots, and won the Cup. There were other factors, like getting Stone back for the playoffs, but I do think there is something to the idea that playoff hockey is different than the regular season.

Some of it is simply hot goalies rule, but some of it is grit, Tkachuk brought that to Florida, the guys he was traded for produced offensively, but didn't play with his edge.

The problem with HCs who push is eventually the message grows old, which is why you have to build internal accountability - players have to hold each other responsible instead of waiting for the HC to reem a few players. One way you do this is move out players who make excuses for their failures or blame their teammates for their struggles. Even when true, it rarely goes over well in the clubhouse unless the player is harder on himself than his teammates.


It's rare that a GOOD NHL player is blocked.
It's the marginal guys who get blocked, the cream rises to the top.

The question becomes if the player is marginal due to lack of talent, injuries or just not ready for the NHL right now. Lack of talent is hard to fix, injuries tend to give a player the benefit of the doubt until they become chronic, not ready means he'll get second and third chances over time.

I can't break up my reply properly on a phone, so I'll just say that Tanner was a counter example you chose when talking about young players being blocked, so he doesn't fit with the "fails in the playoffs" mold of reasoning you're bringing up here (zero playoff games played), though admittedly that might be your point.

As for the Cassidy stuff, it's clear to me you think mistreating young players is a feature, not a bug. Fine, whatever. I disagree. Just don't make me read how all the players love Torts again, for the love of god.