2023-24 Roster Thread 4: September is National Bourbon Heritage Month

[blackjackmulligan]

Another local kid , Sam Lipkin, drafted in the 7th rd will have a better NHL career than his former teammate Boucher. As will Kenny Connors drafted by the Kings. Too bad flyers passed on both over Owen.

 

[Magua]

 

[Striiker]

He writes for the same site as DanTheFlyeraFan

Can't imagine a more perfect way to prove cluelessness than that.

 

[Flyerfan4life]

Yep. One article after another about how the Flyers could surprise and prove people wrong.

"We are dedicated to rebuilding ... excitement in the Flyers as we go all-out to grab a wild card spot, lose in 5 games, and pick 17th."

#sameasiteverwas

 

[Deadpool8812]

Better or worse than to 06-07 team?

I say worse

 

[BringBackHakstol]

"Dumping veterans"

They are +1 by my count

 

[deadhead]

Everyone knows this is JT last head coaching gig. If anyone doesnt think he wants the playoffs and will do whatever it takes to win is out of their mind. Just look at his F/A signings, they scream JT type of player to help them for that playoff run.

Please do not give me well they didnt sign any big ticket F/A. They had no money and more importantly they do not want to come here. For a variety of reasons.

A very big part of me hops the other teams in the division all struggle and somehow the flyers stay afloat and decide to "buy", or at least not sell.

Torts has already said Staal is going to be a part-time player, he sees his role as primarily a mentor to the young defensemen - which reinforces my speculation that Staal came here as a bridge to get into coaching.

Hathaway is the only FA of merit, and he's prime trade bait - probably signed with the Flyers to get an extra million with the understanding he'd be traded to a PO team at some point.

Poehling is 24, former 1st rd pick, he's younger than Allison and Laczynski, similar age to Lycksell, kind of reclamation project that bad teams should pursue (more upside than Bellows).

That does not sound like the kind of players you add for a playoff run!

This is Torts last coaching gig, but making the playoffs is meaningless to him, he wants to leave a legacy behind, if he rebuilds the Flyers and makes them legitimate contenders in four years, he's a lock for the HOF.

 

[blackjackmulligan]

Torts has already said Staal is going to be a part-time player, he sees his role as primarily a mentor to the young defensemen - which reinforces my speculation that Staal came here as a bridge to get into coaching.

Hathaway is the only FA of merit, and he's prime trade bait - probably signed with the Flyers to get an extra million with the understanding he'd be traded to a PO team at some point.

Poehling is 24, former 1st rd pick, he's younger than Allison and Laczynski, similar age to Lycksell, kind of reclamation project that bad teams should pursue (more upside than Bellows).

That does not sound like the kind of players you add for a playoff run!

This is Torts last coaching gig, but making the playoffs is meaningless to him, he wants to leave a legacy behind, if he rebuilds the Flyers and makes them legitimate contenders in four years, he's a lock for the HOF.

No that is not what he said at all. He said he will sit some games. Big diff no? Besides I will believe it when I see it. His words mean jack shit.

Prime trade bait. Wanna bet he isnt moved? Staal and GH are exactly the type the coach loves to overuse.

He does care about the playoffs. It is in his DNA. Nothing wrong with that. He is not thinking 4 years down the line. Come on man.

 

[deadhead]

Ugly first exhibition game, but not surprising, Torts runs the toughest TC in the NHL and they had no time off before this game. They get Tuesday off each week, so look for fresher legs in Wednesday's game. And the first two games are chock full of guys you won't see in orange and black for another year. I think what Torts looks at mostly in the first game is who can work through tired legs.

Couts - held up, but looked rusty, some smart plays but you can see why he wants to play as many exhibition games as possible.

Frost - didn't do much, but this game won't matter much.

Brown - picked up where he left off in rookie camp, the skating was there, struggled a bit more with tighter windows against real players but still was making things happen

Furry - he'll be a good addition to the Phantoms, Decent skater for a full-sized center.

Bonk - he looked 18. Headed back to juniors by the weekend.

Grans - look ma, no hands. Struggled handling the puck. He's got at least a full AHL season ahead of him, but only 21. But a lot of room for improvement.

Desnoyers - lot of energy, that'll impress Torts.

Brink - skated well, some miscues, but don't think the hip is an issue anymore.

Peterson - he'll be riding buses in LHV, well, at $5M a year, I could ride buses for six months. Or rent a limo.

Sandstrom - looked solid in his period of play.

Walker - skated well, as advertised, more of an offensive defenseman, but nice play breaking up a 3 on1.

York and Andrae both looked sloppy to start, then settled in.

 

[blackjackmulligan]

Ugly first exhibition game, but not surprising, Torts runs the toughest TC in the NHL and they had no time off before this game. They get Tuesday off each week, so look for fresher legs in Wednesday's game. And the first two games are chock full of guys you won't see in orange and black for another year. I think what Torts looks at mostly in the first game is who can work through tired legs.

Couts - held up, but looked rusty, some smart plays but you can see why he wants to play as many exhibition games as possible.

Frost - didn't do much, but this game won't matter much.

Brown - picked up where he left off in rookie camp, the skating was there, struggled a bit more with tighter windows against real players but still was making things happen

Furry - he'll be a good addition to the Phantoms, Decent skater for a full-sized center.

Bonk - he looked 18. Headed back to juniors by the weekend.

Grans - look ma, no hands. Struggled handling the puck. He's got at least a full AHL season ahead of him, but only 21. But a lot of room for improvement.

Desnoyers - lot of energy, that'll impress Torts.

Brink - skated well, some miscues, but don't think the hip is an issue anymore.

Peterson - he'll be riding buses in LHV, well, at $5M a year, I could ride buses for six months. Or rent a limo.

Sandstrom - looked solid in his period of play.

Walker - skated well, as advertised, more of an offensive defenseman, but nice play breaking up a 3 on1.

York and Andrae both looked sloppy to start, then settled in.

he also struggled in the rookie game in this area. Funny how the co-GM never saw him play before acquiring him.

Lots of energy to impress the coach is > skill.

To say Frost had a bad game and wont matter is comical. Coach looking for every negative he can find on Frost.

did the Forest do anything?

 

[Beef Invictus]

Torts has already said Staal is going to be a part-time player, he sees his role as primarily a mentor to the young defensemen - which reinforces my speculation that Staal came here as a bridge to get into coaching.

Hathaway is the only FA of merit, and he's prime trade bait - probably signed with the Flyers to get an extra million with the understanding he'd be traded to a PO team at some point.

Poehling is 24, former 1st rd pick, he's younger than Allison and Laczynski, similar age to Lycksell, kind of reclamation project that bad teams should pursue (more upside than Bellows).

That does not sound like the kind of players you add for a playoff run!

This is Torts last coaching gig, but making the playoffs is meaningless to him, he wants to leave a legacy behind, if he rebuilds the Flyers and makes them legitimate contenders in four years, he's a lock for the HOF.

What will you be saying when he's 70 games deep and plays out the season?

Why the f*** would it be remotely good to train Staal (who the f*** cares about him) as a coach, when we have numerous prospects we have to train up to NHL level? And you think this is a good thing?

 

[deadhead]

he also struggled in the rookie game in this area. Funny how the co-GM never saw him play before acquiring him.

Lots of energy to impress the coach is > skill.

To say Frost had a bad game and wont matter is comical. Coach looking for every negative he can find on Frost.

did the Forest do anything?

Grans was a throw-in, Peterson a salary dump.
Walker has real value and should be a hot commodity at the TDL.
Hopefully they can land at least a 3rd and end up with a 1st, (2) 2nds and a 3rd for Provorov.

Grans is organizational depth with upside, at worst, he helps the Phantoms, at best, after a couple AHL seasons he raises his game enough to compete for a 3rd pair job.
But he's well behind York, Andrae and Bonk, in the mix with Ginning, Samson, Zanetti (in Switz) McDonald and Sotheran down the road.

Just curious, does Victor Mete exist.
NHL starter at 19, solid season at 20, then a downward spiral, but he's still only 25.

 

[blackjackmulligan]

Grans was a throw-in, Peterson a salary dump.
Walker has real value and should be a hot commodity at the TDL.
Hopefully they can land at least a 3rd and end up with a 1st, (2) 2nds and a 3rd for Provorov.

Grans is organizational depth with upside, at worst, he helps the Phantoms, at best, after a couple AHL seasons he raises his game enough to compete for a 3rd pair job.
But he's well behind York, Andrae and Bonk, in the mix with Ginning, Samson, Zanetti (in Switz) McDonald and Sotheran down the road.

Just curious, does Victor Mete exist.
NHL starter at 19, solid season at 20, then a downward spiral, but he's still only 25.

so now a former 2nd rd pick was a throw in, man you crack me up how they can do no wrong. If that is the case then it is even a worse deal.

Walker was half a cap dump. Maybe they re-sign walker as he fits in their window to contend.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

What will you be saying when he's 70 games deep and plays out the season?

Why the f*** would it be remotely good to train Staal (who the f*** cares about him) as a coach, when we have numerous prospects we have to train up to NHL level? And you think this is a good thing?

Well we already got told how smart and cutting edge it was for him to stop coaching last year and give his assistant coaches experience so...

 

[deadhead]

so now a former 2nd rd pick was a throw in, man you crack me up how they can do no wrong. If that is the case then it is even a worse deal.

Walker was half a cap dump. Maybe they re-sign walker as he fits in their window to contend.

Well, Ratcliffe was a 2nd rd pick, so was NAK. What was their trade value.

Where a player if picked has little impact on trade value 2-3 years after the draft when enough information is available, other than signalling the player had some traits that caused him to be valued that highly at 18.

Grans is a mobile RHD with good size. Started in the SHL at 18 in his post-draft season, solid year in the AHL at 19, regressed last season in the AHL at 20. Kings had a couple RHD prospects who were better, so he was expendable. Flyers have the luxury of stashing him in the AHL for a couple more years and see if he can develop into a NHL player.

 

[blackjackmulligan]

Well, Ratcliffe was a 2nd rd pick, so was NAK. What was their trade value.

Where a player if picked has little impact on trade value 2-3 years after the draft when enough information is available, other than signalling the player had some traits that caused him to be valued that highly at 18.

Grans is a mobile RHD with good size. Started in the SHL at 18 in his post-draft season, solid year in the AHL at 19, regressed last season in the AHL at 20. Kings had a couple RHD prospects who were better, so he was expendable. Flyers have the luxury of stashing him in the AHL for a couple more years and see if he can develop into a NHL player.

those 2 are irrelevant to this conversation. Any proof he was a throw in and not their target?

So then the deal is 1.5 cap dumps, a throw in non prospect, and a few picks. What a deal. Danny is def no pushover.

 

[deadhead]

Grans is a prospect, not just a valuable one, maybe you could garner a 5th rd pick right now, if he has a good AHL season, his value goes up. This is typical of most draft picks, unless they excel D+1 (team won the gamble) their value drops until they get close to the NHL and scouts can confidently project them as NHL players.

That's because once you get past the first 25 or so picks, the odds of being a NHL starter is less than 50%, so unless a player immediately shows starter potential, the odds probably drop further - because you don't know which player will emerge by his 3rd or 4th NHL season. And defensemen are worse, b/c they often take longer to mature (see for example Dumoulin, 2nd rd pick, 3 years in college, 3 years in AHL, then starts for Stanley Cup winning team).

 

[Fight4yourRight]

2023-24 Flyers Season Preview: Nic Deslauriers

Deslauriers fought more than anyone else in the NHL last season, should we expect more of the same?

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Focusing on the things that are important.

 

[Magua]

Grans is a prospect, not just a valuable one, maybe you could garner a 5th rd pick right now

There's no way the Flyers placed that value on him when they traded for him. I'd argue, quite comfortably, that they preferred him to the value of a 2nd rounder. Unless you're arguing that Petersen's cap dump -- 2 years at $5MM AAV -- was worth a 2nd, 5th, and an additional $2.65MM dump. Grans was not a thrown-in; the suggestion of such smells of ulterior motives.

 

[deadhead]

Charlie ranked Grans 10th, Appleyard 15th among Flyer prospects:

One of the pieces coming back to the Flyers in the blockbuster three-way Ivan Provorov trade, Grans was not merely a throw-in. The big blueliner was selected 35th overall in the 2020 draft, and up until last season had been on a clear NHL trajectory. His 2021-22 season especially had been impressive, when he had crossed the pond and put up 24 points in 56 AHL games, and also impressed on Sweden’s national team, helping them to win the bronze medal at World Juniors.

However, last season nothing went quite right for the athletic defenseman. Still part of the Los Angeles Kings organization, he was relegated down the Ontario Reign lineup, taken off the power play and proved unable to produce in a lesser role. From a physical perspective, Grans has lots of tools: he’s 6’3, strong, fast, agile and a righty shot to boot. In other words: the archetype that has NHL scouts drooling. Furthermore, he loves getting involved in the rush, passes well, has plus hands and a hard shot. So how can such a player be traded at just 21 years old? Simply put, his IQ is lacking and it leads to inconsistency. He often loses his gap, struggles with turnovers, and can lose his man in close. Still, given his impressive skillset, if he can simply cut down his mistakes, he will be an NHLer, with an upside as a potential No. 4. — Appleyard

The Flyers may have valued him, but not as a 2nd rd pick.

Walker was not a salary dump, he's a potentially valuable trade asset at the TDL (one year deal) who played well coming off an ACL and should be better this season.

 

[Magua]

Keith Jones puff piece alert!

Feel better?

 

[tnfrs]

Charlie ranked Grans 10th, Appleyard 15th among Flyer prospects:

One of the pieces coming back to the Flyers in the blockbuster three-way Ivan Provorov trade, Grans was not merely a throw-in. The big blueliner was selected 35th overall in the 2020 draft, and up until last season had been on a clear NHL trajectory. His 2021-22 season especially had been impressive, when he had crossed the pond and put up 24 points in 56 AHL games, and also impressed on Sweden’s national team, helping them to win the bronze medal at World Juniors.

However, last season nothing went quite right for the athletic defenseman. Still part of the Los Angeles Kings organization, he was relegated down the Ontario Reign lineup, taken off the power play and proved unable to produce in a lesser role. From a physical perspective, Grans has lots of tools: he’s 6’3, strong, fast, agile and a righty shot to boot. In other words: the archetype that has NHL scouts drooling. Furthermore, he loves getting involved in the rush, passes well, has plus hands and a hard shot. So how can such a player be traded at just 21 years old? Simply put, his IQ is lacking and it leads to inconsistency. He often loses his gap, struggles with turnovers, and can lose his man in close. Still, given his impressive skillset, if he can simply cut down his mistakes, he will be an NHLer, with an upside as a potential No. 4. — Appleyard

The Flyers may have valued him, but not as a 2nd rd pick.

Walker was not a salary dump, he's a potentially valuable trade asset at the TDL (one year deal) who played well coming off an ACL and should be better this season.

skinny nick grossmann

 

[Beef Invictus]

Well, Ratcliffe was a 2nd rd pick, so was NAK. What was their trade value.

Where a player if picked has little impact on trade value 2-3 years after the draft when enough information is available, other than signalling the player had some traits that caused him to be valued that highly at 18.

Grans is a mobile RHD with good size. Started in the SHL at 18 in his post-draft season, solid year in the AHL at 19, regressed last season in the AHL at 20. Kings had a couple RHD prospects who were better, so he was expendable. Flyers have the luxury of stashing him in the AHL for a couple more years and see if he can develop into a NHL player.

No player's trade value should be considered truly determined when Fletcher was setting it. He lost almost every move he ever did as GM.

 

[freakydallas13]

Keith Jones puff piece alert!

Feel better?

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They want to have clear, identified roles for their players. I'm not sure this is the calming statement Keith thinks it is.

 

[JojoTheWhale]

Keith Jones puff piece alert!

Feel better?

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GOOD FOR BOTH TEAMS.

I can't believe someone said that with a straight face.