ponder719
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The biggest hole in this organization is, was, and for many years has been "a f***ing clue."
2023-24 Roster Thread 2: The Days Get Longer Edition
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TheKingPin
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People on Facebook really truly believe Torts is the best guy for a rebuild. He has some good teaching points, but I can’t see how any one likes this. Michkov did the Michigan to win games and Torts said it was a disgrace when he commented.
Flyerfan4life
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becuase this fanbase deserves this Org. results these last 50 years...
TheKingPin
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Certainly makes sense reading their posts and seeing the choices the Flyers have made. We need some kind of Profit or Neo to save this franchise at this point.
Deadpool8812
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Same on Reddit. I'm not allowed to say Tortorella is a bad coach
Tripod
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Nothing will change with archaic thinking littered thru the Mgt and Coaching staff.
tnfrs
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ya some of these former player hires are just more of the same, John Leclair as part of the development staff is weird. we need people who have backgrounds in sports sciences that understand how to drill for specific skills and building strength that doesnt affect fine motor skills like stick handling. Teach them nutrition and dieting protocols etc. Its not enough to just tell them they gotta work harder than the other guy if the other guy is working on next level shit. Some junior and college programs have more money invested in athletes than others, not everyone has the money or the connections to work with Gary Roberts in the offseason, so we need to be giving those tools in-house. This is one area where spending isnt capped so theres no reason why we arent bringing in the absolute best people. If Leclair has spend the last decade studying that side of things thats great, but just hiring hockey guys has never lead to any kind of success for us except for a reputation of not developing prospects.
Tyson Foerster has been in Vorhees all summer training, and we'll see how the new development staff does when the season starts. He looked flat through the first half of the season last year, so if he has his game legs ready for the preseason and is flying out of the gate the way he ended, it will be a good sign of things to come.
GapToothedWonder
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Am I insane for thinking that giving Frost more then a bridge contract is a moderate gamble to take on at a time when the Flyers have the latitude to take on lots of risk with little potential for it to be a big issue in the next 5 years?
Like if nothing else buying a few of his UFA years cheap in hopes he has a little break out seems like a good way to potentially maximize his trade value right?
I just don't see the downside to that when the cap just won't be that important for the next 5 years.
Like if nothing else buying a few of his UFA years cheap in hopes he has a little break out seems like a good way to potentially maximize his trade value right?
I just don't see the downside to that when the cap just won't be that important for the next 5 years.
Magua
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No, it’s entirely logical. The problem is 2/3 of the vaunted triumvirate will be against it. And I doubt Briere puts up a stink about a bridge. He doesn’t seem particularly creative about that so far, and we’ve still yet to find out how hard he’s willing to put his foot down on a major decision.
TheKingPin
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I believe Briere already stated they wanted longer deals on York and Frost but both players “bet on themselves”.
Curufinwe
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ponder719
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Less than it will cost for those 5-6 years than if we bridge him for 2, and he wins the bet on himself.
Curufinwe
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If he has a couple of 50-60 point seasons, maybe they will trade Frost for 2 firsts and a cap dump in 2025.
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Curufinwe
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The Flyers are lucky Frost doesn't have arb rights this year. This guy scored 25 points (21 at ES).
Philipp Kurashev signed a 2 year, $4,500,000 contract with the Chicago Blackhawks on Jul. 23, 2023. The contract has a cap hit of $2,250,000.
Qualifying Offer
: $2,250,000
ARBITRATION: This contract was signed following an arbitration filing
Philipp Kurashev signed a 2 year, $4,500,000 contract with the Chicago Blackhawks on Jul. 23, 2023. The contract has a cap hit of $2,250,000.
| SEASON | CLAUSE | CAP HIT
| AAV
| P. BONUSES
| S. BONUSES
| BASE SALARY
| TOTAL SALARY
| MINORS SAL
|
| 2023-24 | $2,250,000 | $2,250,000 | $0 | $0 | $2,250,000 | $2,250,000 | $2,250,000 | |
| 2024-25 | $2,250,000 | $2,250,000 | $0 | $0 | $2,250,000 | $2,250,000 | $2,250,000 | |
| TOTAL | $4,500,000 | $4,500,000 | $0 | $0 | $4,500,000 | $4,500,000 | $4,500,000 |
ARBITRATION: This contract was signed following an arbitration filing
deadhead
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Yes, but if he "wins" the bet, it means he turned out to be a good player, not a 2/3 season "flash in the pan."
I'm sure the Flyers would rather spend $7M a year on a close to sure thing, than bet $5M a year on a 50/50 proposition.
The only reason you sign Frost long-term is he's offering a big discount for security, otherwise if he's asking for $5-6M or so, why not wait?
ponder719
M-M-M-Matvei and the Jett
No, the reason you sign Frost long-term is because you think the odds of him winning that bet are better than 50/50. "He either will hit or he won't" is by no means a 50/50 proposition, it's just two outcomes with unexpressed odds of occurring. If the Flyers don't believe the odds are in favor of him hitting, then bridge him and trade him. If they do, going long is the smart play.
FlyerNutter
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they are both bad in terms of the Flyer fandom..but Facebook is a little worse...there are a bit more rational voices on reddit that can at least see the badness going on here..Facebook seems to be mostly the slurpers and think this is gonna get turned around quickly
Beef Invictus
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It's not a flash in the pan when he's been playing well for a long time and clearly just needed playing time and a real shot. But I understand you have to pretend it is because of your lust for defending bad decisions.
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VladDrag
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I've been triggered...Charlie has a column out about Frost. Some tidbits I particularly liked
"It’s a bit reductive to attribute it entirely to improved quality of linemates and more favorable usage — but only a bit. His partnership with Tippett in particular benefited both players, but especially Frost, given that he’s simply not as dynamic as Tippett and therefore finds it more difficult to create his own shots and chances."
Nope.
"Frost may not have been helped by his usage. But a scorer shouldn’t be going 17 games without a goal and 11 games without a point — especially considering that Frost was still getting regular PP time in October and November, which wasn’t impacted by usage."
The powerplay was ranked 31st or 32nd this year. IT was a shit show the entire year. They used him in the bumper spot and net front for christ sakes. How is he supposed to be a benefit. It's like they didn't even understand the player they had in front of them.
"...but it’s certainly not great. Neither is his 45.8 percent faceoff percentage, which isn’t going to endear a young center to any head coach..."
Centers who have a lower faceoff % include: Nate MacKinnon, Jack Eichel, Elias Petterson, Tage Thompson, and even Noah Cates.
"Frost almost certainly isn’t going to be a regular penalty killer at the NHL level, and his skill and creativity make him well-suited in theory to being a power play threat, allowing him to provide value beyond even strength."
I wonder if charlie knows he was a top PKer in juniors and the Flyers have elected him to not PK. Also, Hockeyviz has his impact as a PKer as -18% in xGA, where without frost the rest of the team is a +14% in xGA. For those that don't know, this is how the team plays relative to the rest of the league when that player is either on or off the ice.
There is a lot more but whatever.
"It’s a bit reductive to attribute it entirely to improved quality of linemates and more favorable usage — but only a bit. His partnership with Tippett in particular benefited both players, but especially Frost, given that he’s simply not as dynamic as Tippett and therefore finds it more difficult to create his own shots and chances."
Nope.
"Frost may not have been helped by his usage. But a scorer shouldn’t be going 17 games without a goal and 11 games without a point — especially considering that Frost was still getting regular PP time in October and November, which wasn’t impacted by usage."
The powerplay was ranked 31st or 32nd this year. IT was a shit show the entire year. They used him in the bumper spot and net front for christ sakes. How is he supposed to be a benefit. It's like they didn't even understand the player they had in front of them.
"...but it’s certainly not great. Neither is his 45.8 percent faceoff percentage, which isn’t going to endear a young center to any head coach..."
Centers who have a lower faceoff % include: Nate MacKinnon, Jack Eichel, Elias Petterson, Tage Thompson, and even Noah Cates.
"Frost almost certainly isn’t going to be a regular penalty killer at the NHL level, and his skill and creativity make him well-suited in theory to being a power play threat, allowing him to provide value beyond even strength."
I wonder if charlie knows he was a top PKer in juniors and the Flyers have elected him to not PK. Also, Hockeyviz has his impact as a PKer as -18% in xGA, where without frost the rest of the team is a +14% in xGA. For those that don't know, this is how the team plays relative to the rest of the league when that player is either on or off the ice.
There is a lot more but whatever.
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TB87
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He thinks Frost sucks. He’s been vocal about that for awhile. Any progression from Frost will be belittled and nitpicked into oblivion. Charlie’s letting his bias shine through in his writing too it appears.
Curufinwe
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You should reply to him on twitter. At least make him aware of some of the biases he's carrying around.
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