2023-24 Roster Thread 2: The Days Get Longer Edition

[Beef Invictus]

For an owner who only won Cups in a 18 team league, Mr. Ed gets far too much hero worship.

Flyers chairman Ed Snider admits Paul Holmgren made 'horrible mistake' signing Ilya Bryzgalov

Snider says Bryzgalov is "not a bad goalie, but that he "didn't fit" with the Flyers.

www.nj.com

Snider accepts blame of the blame for this costly error, as well, for publicly venting during and after the 2012 Stanley Cup playoffs about the Flyers' long-time goaltending issues. After watching the Flyers continuously switch three goalies in playoff series against Buffalo and Boston - seven in-game goalie changes were made during this stretch - Snider angrily vowed this issue had to end.

A month later, the Flyers acquired Bryzgalov’s rights in a trade with Phoenix, then they quickly signed the unrestricted free agent to the big deal.

“I was responsible,” Snider said, “Not for picking (Bryzgalov) ... I was responsible for saying we can't have this goalie situation like we had."

It's ultimately Snider's fault that he gave a certain set of alumni nearly infinite leeway to turn the team into their own plaything, and he was apparently the only one interested in holding them accountable occasionally.

There are way, way worse owners, of course.

 

[Curufinwe]

If the cap goes up $1m, they have about $7m to sign Attard, Cates, Frost and York if they don't want to start the season on LTIR. Obviously, this is prior to any trades.

ROSTER SIZE	SALARY CAP	CAP HIT	OVERAGES	BONUSES	CAP SPACE
18	$82,500,000	$76,657,691	$1,187,500	$32,500	$5,842,309

Left Wing	Centre	Right Wing
Farabee, Joel $5,000,000	Couturier, Sean $7,750,000	Atkinson, Cam $5,875,000
Hayes, Kevin $7,142,857		Konecny, Travis $5,500,000
Laughton, Scott $3,000,000		Tippett, Owen $1,500,000
Deslauriers, Nicolas $1,750,000	Laczynski, Tanner $762,500	Allison, Wade $785,000

Left Defense	Right Defense	Goaltender
Provorov, Ivan $6,750,000		Hart, Carter $3,979,000
Sanheim, Travis $6,250,000	Ristolainen, Rasmus $5,100,000	Ersson, Samuel $859,167 ( $32,500)
Seeler, Nick $775,000	Deangelo, Anthony $5,000,000
Zamula, Yegor $775,000

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Scratches	Injured Reserve (IR)	Long Term IR (LTIR)
	Ellis, Ryan $6,250,000

 

[dragonoffrost]

If the cap goes up $1m, they have about $7m to sign Attard, Cates, Frost and York if they don't want to start the season on LTIR. Obviously ,this is prior to any trades.

ROSTER SIZE	SALARY CAP	CAP HIT	OVERAGES	BONUSES	CAP SPACE
18	$82,500,000	$76,657,691	$1,187,500	$32,500	$5,842,309

Left Wing	Centre	Right Wing
Farabee, Joel $5,000,000	Couturier, Sean $7,750,000	Atkinson, Cam $5,875,000
Hayes, Kevin $7,142,857		Konecny, Travis $5,500,000
Laughton, Scott $3,000,000		Tippett, Owen $1,500,000
Deslauriers, Nicolas $1,750,000	Laczynski, Tanner $762,500	Allison, Wade $785,000

Left Defense	Right Defense	Goaltender
Provorov, Ivan $6,750,000		Hart, Carter $3,979,000
Sanheim, Travis $6,250,000	Ristolainen, Rasmus $5,100,000	Ersson, Samuel $859,167 ( $32,500)
Seeler, Nick $775,000	Deangelo, Anthony $5,000,000
Zamula, Yegor $775,000

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Scratches	Injured Reserve (IR)	Long Term IR (LTIR)
	Ellis, Ryan $6,250,000

Awaits the obligatory they will get 3 million space when the they trade Laughton....

You know the only guy Torts saw fit on the roster to have any letter on his sweater this season... Yeah that's a guy the powers that be are going to trade...

 

[Curufinwe]

Either traded or on the 4th line with Nic D.

 

[BrindamoursNose]

It's at a point where you can say what a disaster the ______ signing was & you could fill it with infinite names on the Flyers roster

 

[ponder719]

It's at a point where you can say what a disaster the ______ signing was & you could fill it with infinite names on the Flyers roster

Tortorella.

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

 

[Beef Invictus]

Glad to see other people slowly catching onto things I've been saying (and getting blasted for) since...2013?

 

[BackToTheBrierePatch]

I am now thinking that sending Clarke, Holmgren ect into space would not matter because stooges that think like them will just replace them

 

[Flyerfan4life]

LOL... totaly on brand..

#buckleup

 

[FlyerNutter]

It’s not a disease!

 

[deadhead]

LOL... totaly on brand..

#buckleup

Total clickbait:

"With this news, fans of the Philadelphia Flyers are speculating whether the team should consider offering Perry a league minimum contract."

Why would the Flyers want Perry? Doubt at this point he'd have any value at the TDL.
The only veterans they should be bringing in are waiver wire auditions (Forsling types) or guys you can flip at the TDL (Braun in 2021-22).

 

[Chicken N Raffls]

I feel like I've heard that groupthink word somewhere. Weird

 

[Beef Invictus]

Total clickbait:

"With this news, fans of the Philadelphia Flyers are speculating whether the team should consider offering Perry a league minimum contract."

Why would the Flyers want Perry? Doubt at this point he'd have any value at the TDL.
The only veterans they should be bringing in are waiver wire auditions (Forsling types) or guys you can flip at the TDL (Braun in 2021-22).

Tortorella disagrees with you. He wants to add 10-12 goal PK specialists.

The real reason that Perry move won't happen is that he has no reason at this stage to play for a dick-idiot

 

[Curufinwe]

Yeah, I don't see Perry choosing to spend maybe his last year in the NHL playing for the bottom feeding Flyers and their dinosaur douchebag coach.

 

[deadhead]

Flyers right now just need to accumulate assets, they're actually building good forward depth, defense a little more shaky, less I think about talent than the right talent that fits together.

The two major needs going forward is a top playmaking center and a top RHD.
Not sure they'll be able to draft either, but if they accumulate assets, at some point you'll have the opportunity to trade for one.
And if you draft/trade for enough prospects, odds are you'll eventually get lucky.

With Farabee, Gauthier, Cates at LW, Tippett, Foerster, Brink [TK] at RW, Couts, Frost at center, add that center and you have a solid forward group.
If Gauthier could become that center, finding a LW is a lot easier than finding a top center.
If they can only add a 2C type, then they'll need to go three lines deep and match quality with fresh legs.

With York, Sanheim, Andrae, Zamula at LHD, Attard, Risto, Sansom at RHD, add a top RHD and you can keep York at LHD and move the others down. It's a lot easier to find a 2RHD than a 1RHD if Attard or Samson can't improve or Risto become a consistent defender.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Flyers right now just need to accumulate assets, they're actually building good forward depth, defense a little more shaky, less I think about talent than the right talent that fits together.

The two major needs going forward is a top playmaking center and a top RHD.
Not sure they'll be able to draft either, but if they accumulate assets, at some point you'll have the opportunity to trade for one.
And if you draft/trade for enough prospects, odds are you'll eventually get lucky.

With Farabee, Gauthier, Cates at LW, Tippett, Foerster, Brink [TK] at RW, Couts, Frost at center, add that center and you have a solid forward group.
If Gauthier could become that center, finding a LW is a lot easier than finding a top center.
If they can only add a 2C type, then they'll need to go three lines deep and match quality with fresh legs.

With York, Sanheim, Andrae, Zamula at LHD, Attard, Risto, Sansom at RHD, add a top RHD and you can keep York at LHD and move the others down. It's a lot easier to find a 2RHD than a 1RHD if Attard or Samson can't improve or Risto become a consistent defender.

Before they can have good forward depth they need actual top end forwards. You know the easiest way to build good depth? Keep bringing in good players that push each other down the lineup. Identifying the overlooked gems is hard, and well beyond this team's skill level.

The Flyers meanwhile backfill until the dumpster overflows upwards. The full opposite process. And that's what Tortorella has stated he wants; not more talent, more backfilling with PK specialists. The garbage shall flow up rather than the talent flowing down.

 

[Tripod]

Before they can have good forward depth they need actual top end forwards. You know the easiest way to build good depth? Keep bringing in good players that push each other down the lineup. Identifying the overlooked gems is hard, and well beyond this team's skill level.

The Flyers meanwhile backfill until the dumpster overflows upwards. The full opposite process. And that's what Tortorella has stated he wants; not more talent, more backfilling with PK specialists. The garbage shall flow up rather than the talent flowing down.

Yeah the goal "should" be building talent so it pushes guys like Laughton and Cates down the lineup. Then you replace them with more young, cheap guys instead of paying them bigger money like we did with Laughton and will do with Cates.

 

[Cody Webster]

Flyers right now just need to accumulate assets, they're actually building good forward depth, defense a little more shaky, less I think about talent than the right talent that fits together.

The two major needs going forward is a top playmaking center and a top RHD.
Not sure they'll be able to draft either, but if they accumulate assets, at some point you'll have the opportunity to trade for one.
And if you draft/trade for enough prospects, odds are you'll eventually get lucky.

With Farabee, Gauthier, Cates at LW, Tippett, Foerster, Brink [TK] at RW, Couts, Frost at center, add that center and you have a solid forward group.
If Gauthier could become that center, finding a LW is a lot easier than finding a top center.
If they can only add a 2C type, then they'll need to go three lines deep and match quality with fresh legs.

With York, Sanheim, Andrae, Zamula at LHD, Attard, Risto, Sansom at RHD, add a top RHD and you can keep York at LHD and move the others down. It's a lot easier to find a 2RHD than a 1RHD if Attard or Samson can't improve or Risto become a consistent defender.

Tough to accumulate assets when you trade away draft picks for shitty players. You've been told this multiple times, but why would you listen

 

[Magua]

Briere: "You can even look to a team like New Jersey, who was kind of spinning their wheels but they were rebuilding and doing it the right way. Then, boom, this year they pop and they're one of the best teams in the NHL," the Flyers' general manager said earlier this month after an introductory press conference. "I give them credit, they were patient, they didn't let the noise affect them. That's going to be the biggest — probably toughest — thing for us, is going to be stay patient and keep with the process that we believe in."

Jones: "3 years."

 

[TheKingPin]

Trade off some large contracts for picks and then take picks to acquire bad contracts. Always thought that was the best 1-2 punch a GM could do

 

[Beef Invictus]

The Flyers only drink milk that was acquired by punching a cow's milk bag. Toughness.

 

[deadhead]

Tough to accumulate assets when you trade away draft picks for shitty players. You've been told this multiple times, but why would you listen

Tough to follow that strategy when the FO insists on "being competitive" and "aggressively reloading."
Given those constraints, I was happy with Fletcher until his 3rd season, only trading a 2nd and 3rd and Gudas away to make the playoffs.
Then he panicked and started bleeding assets as the team went into a death spiral.

Now whether they should have been trying to compete is another issue - but that's on Holmgren/Clarke/Barber who opposed any sort of rebuilding, and Hextall, who blew his window of opportunity when Snider approved a rebuild.

 

[BernieParent]

It's at a point where you can say what a disaster the ______ signing was & you could fill it with infinite names on the Flyers roster

autograph

 

[Lindberg]

The Flyers need a few top 5 picks. Almost anything else isn't going to cut unless they somehow pick the next Giroux and Robertson out of the drafts.