2023-24 Roster Thread 1: Entering the Starting Gate

[Magua]

ASF knows these guys, same with Charlie, both respect and like Briere and Jones.
Doesn't mean it'll work, but you could say the same about any group that wasn't the Hockey Guy norm.
You know, like hiring a Jewish Lawyer who never played football to GM a NFL team - obviously that could never work.
Nah, what you need is to bring in a guy who's rebuilt a team to (3) 100+ point seasons and have 3 ex-GMs, including a Cup winner, to advise him.

I'd say Briere is no more risky than Sakic or Shanahan when they were initially hired, that Jones is no more risky than Tallon, and so on.

In the same way, Tulsky is no slam dunk, one thing to be the assistant, but you don't know how big a role he actually played.

I have no idea what Jones really thinks, there's the media shtick, but that may not be the same as the guy behind closed doors being the boss instead of placating his bosses. He may well have strong opinions that he didn't express while a color man.

I have no idea how sharp Briere is, but he did impress high level corporate executives enough to hand him the keys to the future of their billion plus investment.

In the end it'll come down to what they do and how they do it.
What make me optimistic is their strategy seems sound, they know it's a long-term proposition, they don't want to take short-cuts.
Whether they can execute that strategy?????

You've utterly lost me on the false equivalencies here.

I'll let Tulsky tell you exactly what he does: "I lead our data group and our pro scouting group." He's the AGM (de facto GM?) of one of the best front offices in the league. I chuckle at the concurrent thought of praising Flahr for anything even adjacent to his area, but Tulsky is this total unknown. And somehow, this AGM with a track record, is basically the same caliber front office unknown as Keith Jones.

I'll tell you what, deady, if Jones is secretly a brilliant hockey mind, it'd be the best reveal since Keyser Söze. Hey, maybe Chris Therien is actually a forward thinking data driven guy too, since he's so giddy about this hire? If you spend two decades saying stupid shit on the air, you're not an unknown. Everything points to him being a by-the-book HockeyGuy. Oh, he might have stronger opinions than he'd say on air, but absolutely nothing points to those being good opinions.

 

[renberg]

Supposedly Fletcher had a deal set up with CBJ sending Hayes to them for Roslovic or Gudbranson or both. What are the chances of that still going down with Briere in as GM and the Jackets changing coaches? I think that DB still wants to move out Hayes.

 

[GKJ]

Gudbranson has a 10-team no trade, btw.

 

[renberg]

Gudbranson has a 10-team no trade, btw.

He might waive that to get out of town. He gets the treatment in Columbus that Hagg got here.

 

[Redpath]

Supposedly Fletcher had a deal set up with CBJ sending Hayes to them for Roslovic or Gudbranson or both. What are the chances of that still going down with Briere in as GM and the Jackets changing coaches? I think that DB still wants to move out Hayes.

ASF has been pretty adamant that Hayes is gone this summer in a deal to Columbus.

 

[Flyerfan4life]

Hextall.

Niskanen

 

[Beef Invictus]

ASF knows these guys, same with Charlie, both respect and like Briere and Jones.
Doesn't mean it'll work, but you could say the same about any group that wasn't the Hockey Guy norm.
You know, like hiring a Jewish Lawyer who never played football to GM a NFL team - obviously that could never work.
Nah, what you need is to bring in a guy who's rebuilt a team to (3) 100+ point seasons and have 3 ex-GMs, including a Cup winner, to advise him.

I'd say Briere is no more risky than Sakic or Shanahan when they were initially hired, that Jones is no more risky than Tallon, and so on.

In the same way, Tulsky is no slam dunk, one thing to be the assistant, but you don't know how big a role he actually played.

I have no idea what Jones really thinks, there's the media shtick, but that may not be the same as the guy behind closed doors being the boss instead of placating his bosses. He may well have strong opinions that he didn't express while a color man.

I have no idea how sharp Briere is, but he did impress high level corporate executives enough to hand him the keys to the future of their billion plus investment.

In the end it'll come down to what they do and how they do it.
What make me optimistic is their strategy seems sound, they know it's a long-term proposition, they don't want to take short-cuts.
Whether they can execute that strategy?????

Briere is significantly more risky than Sakic. The Clarke Management Tree loves how he thinks, which is the most damning thing possible for anyone.

You yourself insist he is of a mind with a dude who prefers Barkov to McDavid.

 

[Magua]

Just eat whatever salary for the best return -- and that's not Gudbranson. Roslovic is pretty bad defensively, but at least he's a UFA and maybe they get a 2nd or 3rd at the deadline. He played under Tortorella, who scratched him for the usual reasons, but that's not a deal breaker with him, so who knows his real thoughts? It would absolutely eat into Frost's minutes though, and that part doesn't thrill me for a UFA-to-be.

Gudbranson, with his 3 years and $4MM AAV, shouldn't even be under consideration. Columbus wants to move a defender out, and they want a center. I'm seeing all the positives on their side there, unless a 1st rounder is attached.

Don't get me wrong: Tortorella and Jones would likely push hard for Gudbranson. Big, right handed, hard to play against in that not hard to play against way......jort melting stuff. But that's a pure cap dump, whether they see it as one or not, and a waste of resources. If it'd be in lieu of eating Hayes' salary, it's still a value whiff. But, hey, at least it would be the canary in the coal mine with this new front office, so people don't need to waste their optimism.

 

[deadhead]

You've utterly lost me on the false equivalencies here.

I'll let Tulsky tell you exactly what he does: "I lead our data group and our pro scouting group." He's the AGM (de facto GM?) of one of the best front offices in the league. I chuckle at the concurrent thought of praising Flahr for anything even adjacent to his area, but Tulsky is this total unknown. And somehow, this AGM with a track record, is basically the same caliber front office unknown as Keith Jones.

I'll tell you what, deady, if Jones is secretly a brilliant hockey mind, it'd be the best reveal since Keyser Söze. Hey, maybe Chris Therien is actually a forward thinking data driven guy too, since he's so giddy about this hire? If you spend two decades saying stupid shit on the air, you're not an unknown. Everything points to him being a by-the-book HockeyGuy. Oh, he might have stronger opinions than he'd say on air, but absolutely nothing points to those being good opinions.

I remember when Joe Douglas, a hot shot assistant in Baltimore, was supposed to be the brains behind Howie.

Douglas went off to the Jets and somehow Howie managed to function without him. 4 years and the Jets still haven't sniffed .500 football.

Tulsky may be this genius de facto GM, or overhyped.
You won't know until he gets hired and becomes the "man."

Briere may be the next hot shot GM, or a corporate mis-step.

Jones isn't making personnel decisions, he's being hired to make sure there's no more disconnects between business and operations like we've seen the last few years. And I doubt Briere would let Jones (a bottom six forward) override his judgement of skilled players.

Point is ex ante, you don't know, some of the top guys had sketchy backgrounds before they took over teams. But so did a lot of failures.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

Lol, Joe Douglas has done a great job in New York.

The constant bringing up of Howie Roseman as if he's comparable to many of these people is facepalm inducing.

Not as facepalm inducing as comparing Tortorella to Stoutland but still.

 

[deadhead]

Lol, Joe Douglas has done a great job in New York.

The constant bringing up of Howie Roseman as if he's comparable to many of these people is facepalm inducing.

Not as facepalm inducing as comparing Tortorella to Stoutland but still.

Say what? 7-9. 2-14. 3-13. 7-10. He's in his fifth season, that's a lifetime in the NFL.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

Say what? 7-9. 2-14. 3-13. 7-10. He's in his fifth season, that's a lifetime in the NFL.

He didn’t have a Quarterback.

Now before you say “LOL Zach Wilson LOL” know that if Howie got his way Wilson would have been an Eagle. So let’s just skip that part.

He has a QB now and his team is one of the favorites to win a Super Bowl.

Convenient that four years is a lifetime in the NFL but in the NHL, nope no such thing. We need to give people more time.

 

[Beef Invictus]

I remember when Joe Douglas, a hot shot assistant in Baltimore, was supposed to be the brains behind Howie.

Douglas went off to the Jets and somehow Howie managed to function without him. 4 years and the Jets still haven't sniffed .500 football.

Tulsky may be this genius de facto GM, or overhyped.
You won't know until he gets hired and becomes the "man."

Briere may be the next hot shot GM, or a corporate mis-step.

Jones isn't making personnel decisions, he's being hired to make sure there's no more disconnects between business and operations like we've seen the last few years. And I doubt Briere would let Jones (a bottom six forward) override his judgement of skilled players.

Point is ex ante, you don't know, some of the top guys had sketchy backgrounds before they took over teams. But so did a lot of failures.

Briere, Jones, and Tortorella are not comparable to anyone successful anywhere. Based on this team's track record, their ceilings are somewhere in the neighborhood of Milbury/Holland/Benning/Chiarelli/Fletcher.

 

[deadhead]

Just eat whatever salary for the best return -- and that's not Gudbranson. Roslovic is pretty bad defensively, but at least he's a UFA and maybe they get a 2nd or 3rd at the deadline. He played under Tortorella, who scratched him for the usual reasons, but that's not a deal breaker with him, so who knows his real thoughts? It would absolutely eat into Frost's minutes though, and that part doesn't thrill me for a UFA-to-be.

Gudbranson, with his 3 years and $4MM AAV, shouldn't even be under consideration. Columbus wants to move a defender out, and they want a center. I'm seeing all the positives on their side there, unless a 1st rounder is attached.

Don't get me wrong: Tortorella and Jones would likely push hard for Gudbranson. Big, right handed, hard to play against in that not hard to play against way......jort melting stuff. But that's a pure cap dump, whether they see it as one or not, and a waste of resources. If it'd be in lieu of eating Hayes' salary, it's still a value whiff. But, hey, at least it would be the canary in the coal mine with this new front office, so people don't need to waste their optimism.

Sometimes you have to make the best deal you can.
Gudbranson might have a market if the Flyers ate a million, big RHDs are always in demand. Better to eat $1M on Gudbranson than $3M on Hayes.
I can't see them wanting both Risto and Gudbranson. So one would be dealt.

Roslovic might be harder b/c he's a UFA, CBJ might not want to take on the last two years of Hayes deal without a counterbalance.
CBJ doesn't have much else.

 

[Beef Invictus]

A Jones/Howie comparison is completely insane, by the way, because the Eagles are good at hiring and the Flyers have blown every single hire on every single front for ten straight years.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

A Jones/Howie comparison is completely insane, by the way, because the Eagles are good at hiding and the Flyers have blown every single hire on every single front for ten straight years.

Howie was also, um, in the front office for years before he got the job.

 

[deadhead]

He didn’t have a Quarterback.

Now before you say “LOL Zach Wilson LOL” know that if Howie got his way Wilson would have been an Eagle. So let’s just skip that part.

He has a QB now and his team is one of the favorites to win a Super Bowl.

Convenient that four years is a lifetime in the NFL but in the NHL, nope no such thing. We need to give people more time.

Hockey takes a lot longer to turn around teams, it's more like Baseball.
Cycles in the NFL are 3-4 years.
And I'll believe the Jets as a SB contender when I see it, let's see them win 10 games and make the playoffs first.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Hockey takes a lot longer to turn around teams, it's more like Baseball.
Cycles in the NFL are 3-4 years.
And I'll believe the Jets as a SB contender when I see it, let's see them win 10 games and make the playoffs first.

It's a shit-trash comparison

 

[Striiker]

I'll tell you what, deady, if Jones is secretly a brilliant hockey mind, it'd be the best reveal since Keyser Söze. Hey, maybe Chris Therien is actually a forward thinking data driven guy too, since he's so giddy about this hire?

He’s not a brilliant hockey mind because he’s secretly forward thinking, he’s a brilliant hockey mind because he’s the exact same type of hockey mind as Torts.

And he can’t possibly ever be wrong about anything, so anyone who agrees with him must be brilliant too.

 

[Cody Webster]

ASF knows these guys, same with Charlie, both respect and like Briere and Jones.
Doesn't mean it'll work, but you could say the same about any group that wasn't the Hockey Guy norm.
You know, like hiring a Jewish Lawyer who never played football to GM a NFL team - obviously that could never work.
Nah, what you need is to bring in a guy who's rebuilt a team to (3) 100+ point seasons and have 3 ex-GMs, including a Cup winner, to advise him.

I'd say Briere is no more risky than Sakic or Shanahan when they were initially hired, that Jones is no more risky than Tallon, and so on.

In the same way, Tulsky is no slam dunk, one thing to be the assistant, but you don't know how big a role he actually played.

I have no idea what Jones really thinks, there's the media shtick, but that may not be the same as the guy behind closed doors being the boss instead of placating his bosses. He may well have strong opinions that he didn't express while a color man.

I have no idea how sharp Briere is, but he did impress high level corporate executives enough to hand him the keys to the future of their billion plus investment.

In the end it'll come down to what they do and how they do it.
What make me optimistic is their strategy seems sound, they know it's a long-term proposition, they don't want to take short-cuts.
Whether they can execute that strategy?????

You suck any tit that's placed in front of you

 

[Tripod]

He might waive that to get out of town. He gets the treatment in Columbus that Hagg got here.

You mean getting lots of icetime when it's undeserved?

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

Big, if true.

 

[Chinatown88]

AINTNOWAY

 

[deadhead]

Say, what's Jack Hughes doing tonight. Yes, he's talented 34-34 68 at ES this season. Franchise center.

Meanwhile, Carolina's forwards (ES scoring):
Aho 26-22 48
Necas 19-25 44
Svechnikov 18-21 39 (out for the PO)
Jarvis 13-20 33
Kotkaniemi 14-17 31
Staal 16-16 32
Martinook 12-20 32

Nope, not a single superstar forward on that roster. Aho is very good, but I don't think anyone considers him a franchise player.

It's a team game, it's easier to build a team with a couple top picks that work out, but there's other ways to build a SC contender.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

Oh, we’re doing the thing where we look at small sample sizes again to prove an already held stance.

What’s that called again?