2023-24 Roster Thread 1: Entering the Starting Gate

[Flyerfan4life]

Briere is the GM. The interim thing is a hoax being perpetrated on the fanbase. They think we are stupid. He isn't interim. They aren't looking for anyone else. He has the job.

#sameasiteverwas

 

[BernieParent]

If the Hockey Gods weren't as useless as the Elder Gods in Mortal Kombat he'd have been instantly incinerated by 4 hours of repeated lightning strikes.

As a hockaytheist, I am offended.

 

[BackToTheBrierePatch]

Ya, could you imagine being awful and missing the playoffs multiple years in a row, that would SUCK !!

But you know what? I’m sure they are trying really hard. That’s what matters the most.

 

[Striiker]

Briere is the GM. The interim thing is a hoax being perpetrated on the fanbase. They think we are stupid. He isn't interim. They aren't looking for anyone else. He has the job.

And for 99% of the fanbase, they're absolutely right.

That's why Torts is the face of the franchise and authentic fans are in love with the miserable incompetent c***. These sub-human creatures have been successfully brainwashed into thinking he's fixed the culture/accountability/whatever-other-buzzword, when they weren't even problems to start with.

But even calling Briere the non-interim GM is probably not completely accurate, At this point it almost looks like they're going to give Torts control over more than just the coaching. He's a cancer that's spreading and people won't realize it until the franchise is set back another 5-10 years, just like Fletcher.

 

[Flyerfan4life]

The Flyers think a few years picking in the 5 to 10 range is enough.

It's not enough

its what keeps the old bois going year after year... never enuf of a change to make any real difference. behind the scenes OR on the ice

 

[Gregor Samsa]

I hope we get Eiserman next year. I feel like I will never see a 50 goal scorer in a Flyers uniform

 

[deadhead]

We know Scott and the advisors simply refused to consider a rebuild last year, whether Fletcher would have start one given a green light really doesn't matter, b/c he was never getting that option.

If they had traded Risto and Sanheim at the TDL, then Provorov before the draft, they would be a year ahead of where they are now. But that's water under the bridge.

At least they got rid of the old guard (it's clear the Advisors have no pull anymore, Hilferty politely dismissed them as players while nodding to their past accomplishments) and have finally committed to moving forward.

They're not going to tank b/c they have a solid core, if Couts can't come back odds are they'll pick in the top 5 after trading Hayes and Provorov and Laughton - but they're not going to deliberately blow it up. There's enough of a core group 23 and under that in 3 years they can have the foundation of a winning team in place even without a "Bedard." Land one playmaking center (better than Frost) and one top RHD the next 2-3 years and the rest of the group will look much better.

 

[Beef Invictus]

We know Scott and the advisors simply refused to consider a rebuild last year, whether Fletcher would have start one given a green light really doesn't matter, b/c he was never getting that option.

If they had traded Risto and Sanheim at the TDL, then Provorov before the draft, they would be a year ahead of where they are now. But that's water under the bridge.

At least they got rid of the old guard (it's clear the Advisors have no pull anymore, Hilferty politely dismissed them as players while nodding to their past accomplishments) and have finally committed to moving forward.

They're not going to tank b/c they have a solid core, if Couts can't come back odds are they'll pick in the top 5 after trading Hayes and Provorov and Laughton - but they're not going to deliberately blow it up. There's enough of a core group 23 and under that in 3 years they can have the foundation of a winning team in place even without a "Bedard." Land one playmaking center (better than Frost) and one top RHD the next 2-3 years and the rest of the group will look much better.

Fletcher had agency. The advisors only had the power he gave them.

The advisors blatantly have pull. Rumored President hires are almost entirely their people and empowering Tortorella is the kind of idea Clarke would have. He thinks Tortorella is the team's cure, because his brain is spongiform.

 

[Flyerfan4life]

we tank and we get 5 or 6th pick, that's fine with you?

Chicago says hello..

 

[Gregor Samsa]

We know Scott and the advisors simply refused to consider a rebuild last year, whether Fletcher would have start one given a green light really doesn't matter, b/c he was never getting that option.

If they had traded Risto and Sanheim at the TDL, then Provorov before the draft, they would be a year ahead of where they are now. But that's water under the bridge.

At least they got rid of the old guard (it's clear the Advisors have no pull anymore, Hilferty politely dismissed them as players while nodding to their past accomplishments) and have finally committed to moving forward.

They're not going to tank b/c they have a solid core, if Couts can't come back odds are they'll pick in the top 5 after trading Hayes and Provorov and Laughton - but they're not going to deliberately blow it up. There's enough of a core group 23 and under that in 3 years they can have the foundation of a winning team in place even without a "Bedard." Land one playmaking center (better than Frost) and one top RHD the next 2-3 years and the rest of the group will look much better.

Our core is potential at best, and not super high end potential either. That’s not the type of thing you build around. We need those franchise players that are easiest to get with the first few picks in the draft

 

[deadhead]

You only need a couple "franchise" players, you do need a solid group of 11-12 players.
Edmonton shows what happens when you have multiple franchise players and nothing else.
Same in Toronto.
Bedard is going to have a lot of highlights losing games the next 3-4 seasons.

 

[Beef Invictus]

You only need a couple "franchise" players, you do need a solid group of 11-12 players.
Edmonton shows what happens when you have multiple franchise players and nothing else.
Same in Toronto.
Bedard is going to have a lot of highlights losing games the next 3-4 seasons.

Multiple franchise players? McDavid, RNH, and Draisatl sure.

Who else there can anyone build a franchise around? I'm not seeing anyone else. I think if they had nothing but players like that and nothing else they'd be walking casually to dynasty status.

Toronto has steadily and constantly gotten grittier.

 

[Magua]

Bedard is going to have a lot of highlights losing games the next 3-4 seasons.

Chicago already has a nice prospect pool. They’ve had a head start, including 3 1sts last year. They have 14 other 1st and 2nd round picks, looking to 2025, along with Bedard. Something tells me they’ll be just fine.

 

[deadhead]

Chicago already has a nice prospect pool. They’ve had a head start, including 3 1sts last year. They have 14 other 1st and 2nd round picks, looking to 2025, along with Bedard. Something tells me they’ll be just fine.

Most of those players won't arrive for 3-5 years, and most of those picks are late 1st rd, 2nd rd picks, not exactly slam dunks. They could be the next NJ in 5 years, or the next Buffalo.

 

[Magua]

Most of those players won't arrive for 3-5 years, and most of those picks are late 1st rd, 2nd rd picks, not exactly slam dunks. They could be the next NJ in 5 years, or the next Buffalo.

Yeah, man, agreed. Chicago’s situation looks dire. It’s too soon in their rebuild for Bedard.

 

[Gregor Samsa]

You only need a couple "franchise" players, you do need a solid group of 11-12 players.
Edmonton shows what happens when you have multiple franchise players and nothing else.
Same in Toronto.
Bedard is going to have a lot of highlights losing games the next 3-4 seasons.

Franchise players are hardest to get. They are easiest to get high in the draft. The theory is that Flyers would get some potential franchise players over the next few years and Frost, Foerster, Farabee, York, Cates, Tippett, Gauthier, #7, etc would be the supporting cast

 

[Beef Invictus]

Geez, yeah, why has Chicago bothered? They should go the Fletcher route sometime. There's a guy who made zero mistakes.

 

[tucson83]

They try to win and they pick 5th, that's fine with you?

yes

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

Bedard & Reichel as far Crown Jewels is a pretty damn good start with a boatload of picks still to come.

 

[tucson83]

Chicago says hello..

i dont know what's funny about you thinking that we tank, get the worst record only to give it to chicago and bedard scoring another cup winning goal on us and thinking it isnt rigged or when we had the worst record in 2006-07 with the worse team and gave us jvr instead of kane scoring the dagger on us and think it's not rigged and a joke because it's not funny.

 

[DancingPanther]

At least we aren't the Blackhawks

I'm obviously talking strictly on ice here

 

[Starat327]

Yeah, man, agreed. Chicago’s situation looks dire. It’s too soon in their rebuild for Bedard.

If Chicago is 3-5 years a way, that's a good gauge in understanding just how far away the Flyers are.

So at least we're indirectly acknowledging that. It's a start.

 

[BillDineen]

Chicago has so many picks in the next 3 drafts as well.

It is almost like it isn't a good idea to lose, #14, #36 and #101 in 2022, #39, and #71 in 2023, 2nd in 2024 and a 3rd in 2026 turning Ghost into Risto and TDA!

 

[deadhead]

Yes, we know they should have begun the rebuild last spring, that's been repeated ad nausem, and we know the FO wouldn't allow it.



What matters now is how they execute the rebuild they've finally started.

Carolina has one top pick in Svechnikov, who isn't a franchise player and is out, yet they keep rolling.
Seattle doesn't have a franchise player, Beniers may become one, but he isn't one right now.
Vegas traded for Eichel, signed Pietrangelo and traded for Stone
Dallas has Heiskanen (#5), Robertson (#39) and 38 year old Pavelski
Florida drafted Barkov (#2) traded for Tkachuck

Point is you don't have to tank, you do have to be smart.
Flyers haven't been smart for a decade.
Big moves Patrick (#2), Provorov (#7), sign JVR and Hayes, trade a 1st and 2nd for Risto.
Lindblom and Cates only good picks after round 2, no hidden gems discovered.
Two best moves, Schenn for Frost and Farabee, G for Tippett and 1st and 3rd.

 

[dragonoffrost]

Yes, we know they should have begun the rebuild last spring, that's been repeated ad nausem, and we know the FO wouldn't allow it.



What matters now is how they execute the rebuild they've finally started.

Carolina has one top pick in Svechnikov, who isn't a franchise player and is out, yet they keep rolling.
Seattle doesn't have a franchise player, Beniers may become one, but he isn't one right now.
Vegas traded for Eichel, signed Pietrangelo and traded for Stone
Dallas has Heiskanen (#5), Robertson (#39) and 38 year old Pavelski
Florida drafted Barkov (#2) traded for Tkachuck

Point is you don't have to tank, you do have to be smart.
Flyers haven't been smart for a decade.
Big moves Patrick (#2), Provorov (#7), sign JVR and Hayes, trade a 1st and 2nd for Risto.
Lindblom and Cates only good picks after round 2, no hidden gems discovered.
Two best moves, Schenn for Frost and Farabee, G for Tippett and 1st and 3rd.

Counting on a team using Tortarella as the roster maker to be smart is a lost cause. He already has video showing posted ad nauseum him proving the game has passed him by.