2023-24 Roster Thread 1: Entering the Starting Gate

[Hollywood Cannon]

Actually as of now Fletcher didn't make a single mistake. Weird how years of flawless management has left the team crippled

It's easy if you try,

Hextall and Holmgren and not starting a rebuild a decade ago.

 

[kudymen]

team crippled

Excuse me, you are talking about the 5th most improved team.

 

[deadhead]

I don't know what you're screaming about, we all know they should have start the rebuild last spring, we also know Scott wouldn't have signed off on such a move even if Fletcher was willing to do so (b/c if Scott wanted to rebuild, he would have fired Fletcher and brought someone else in).

You don't have to have a Bedard or McDavid for a successful rebuild - you do need the strategic vision and the commitment by the FO. And you need a little luck and a lot of smart moves.

That's why the public commitment to a rebuild is so important, it gives Briere breathing room to make moves focused on 2025-26, not next season. The key is build a core, 6 forwards, 4 D-men and a starting goalie. You can fill in the rest with later round picks and low cost free agents - but you have to have two top lines and a solid defense to hope to be a SC contender.

 

[FlyerNutter]

Scared to move anyone of actual worth. Hiring a coach indeed likely to raise the floor, and push you further from top talent in the draft. Rebuilding. Because Briere whispered it once.

Like I said before. Your approach. Your preferred bullshit way of building a team was on display last night. Enjoyed it?

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

I don't know what you're screaming about, we all know they should have start the rebuild last spring, we also know Scott wouldn't have signed off on such a move even if Fletcher was willing to do so (b/c if Scott wanted to rebuild, he would have fired Fletcher and brought someone else in).

You don't have to have a Bedard or McDavid for a successful rebuild - you do need the strategic vision and the commitment by the FO. And you need a little luck and a lot of smart moves.

That's why the public commitment to a rebuild is so important, it gives Briere breathing room to make moves focused on 2025-26, not next season. The key is build a core, 6 forwards, 4 D-men and a starting goalie. You can fill in the rest with later round picks and low cost free agents - but you have to have two top lines and a solid defense to hope to be a SC contender.

 

[kudymen]

It is incredible how many Jim Halpert gifs work in this situation

Alright this one is an ultimate "HF reading" winner

 

[FlyerNutter]

It is incredible how many Jim Halpert gifs work in this situation

Alright this one is an ultimate "HF reading" winner

He’s aight. Creed will always be my fav character on that show.

Rumor has plums are doing incredibly well for a harvest/brew this season back in motherland. If you understand what I’m saying.

 

[kudymen]

He’s aight. Creed will always be my fav character on that show.

10/10. Absolutely
("it is possible a man slipped in. There would be no way of knowing")

 

[deadhead]

Scared to move anyone of actual worth. Hiring a coach indeed likely to raise the floor, and push you further from top talent in the draft. Rebuilding. Because Briere whispered it once.

Like I said before. Your approach. Your preferred bullshit way of building a team was on display last night. Enjoyed it?

Given Briere isn't even the GM yet, the playoffs will continue for another month, and you can't make trades until the new season starts, what exactly were you expecting?
We'll get a better idea by the draft of the direction this team will take.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Excuse me, you are talking about the 5th most improved team.

If the Hockey Gods weren't as useless as the Elder Gods in Mortal Kombat he'd have been instantly incinerated by 4 hours of repeated lightning strikes.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

"Briere isn't even the GM yet"

 

[Beef Invictus]

Given Briere isn't even the GM yet, the playoffs will continue for another month, and you can't make trades until the new season starts, what exactly were you expecting?
We'll get a better idea by the draft of the direction this team will take.

Briere is the GM. The interim thing is a hoax being perpetrated on the fanbase. They think we are stupid. He isn't interim. They aren't looking for anyone else. He has the job.

 

[FlyerNutter]

Given Briere isn't even the GM yet, the playoffs will continue for another month, and you can't make trades until the new season starts, what exactly were you expecting?
We'll get a better idea by the draft of the direction this team will take.

No no no. We aren’t moving to the direction you’d like to take it.

Briere, the POS that he is was around during Fletcher’s last while as GM. Boy genius was right there. He doesn’t get an excuse when said GM was touted as being collaborative.

The point is. They didn’t do shit to even try to move into a better spot for this draft. Not one damn thing. Kept on with your beautiful dreams of not having to do so.

You think they are going to do so for next season? When hell freezes over. I am just wondering though, did you enjoy how the chips fell yesterday? It was your approach after all. Like I said, it’s been a team for a long time now for f***ing morons living in the past.

 

[Strawberry Fields]

 

[freakydallas13]

No no no. We aren’t moving to the direction you’d like to take it.

Briere, the POS that he is was around during Fletcher’s last while as GM. Boy genius was right there. He doesn’t get an excuse when said GM was touted as being collaborative.

The point is. They didn’t do shit to even try to move into a better spot for this draft. Not one damn thing. Kept on with your beautiful dreams of not having to do so.

You think they are going to do so for next season? When hell freezes over. I am just wondering though, did you enjoy how the chips fell yesterday? It was your approach after all. Like I said, it’s been a team for a long time now for f***ing morons living in the past.

This team's version of a rebuild is trading zero players of any value and finishing 10th in two straight seasons, then declaring the rebuild over before going all in and overpaying second tier free agents for 7 years.

Culture baby.

 

[flyersnorth]

Flyers have made the playoffs 5 times in the past 12 years, but only 1 in the last 5. So they are trending more towards (another) rebuild in the sense that even without tanking, at least they are getting *some* decently high picks. Of course, there's a good chance they are a much better (non-playoff) team next year with a healthy Coots and Atkinson. Not really ideal, honestly.

Gauthier, may or may not be good but at least has the potential to be. I thought he looked like a floater at the WJC for the 2-3 games I went to see. But could he be a middle six scorer? That would be nice.

#7 this year is not Bedard, it's not Fantilli. But it's something.

What are they going to do moving forward? That's the only question that matters.

I'm already getting hints of the nepotism just continuing... but I am keeping my mind slightly ajar.

 

[DancingPanther]

The Flyers think a few years picking in the 5 to 10 range is enough.

It's not enough

 

[Chinatown88]

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[LegionOfDoom91]

Not really sure what they get out of Couturier & Atkinson next year. The odds would probably trend against them being real impactful next year given their age, injuries, & time off.

Atkinson’s gonna be 34 at the start of next season. He’s already fighting nature at that age then add the extra layer of a serious injury & missing a year. I’d be surprised if he’s anything more than a veteran body that likely gets overplayed next year to be honest.

 

[DancingPanther]

The Clarke Clan is too entitled to ever get a player like Bedard because it's against their hard nosed grind it out mindset

Not really sure what they get out of Couturier & Atkinson next year. The odds would probably trend against them being real impactful next year given their age, injuries, & time off.

Atkinson’s gonna be 34 at the start of next season. He’s already fighting nature at that age then add the extra layer of a serious injury & missing a year. I’d be surprised if he’s anything more than a veteran body that likely gets overplayed next year to be honest.

Betterfitkinson is not only a better fit for this roster, but also a cheaper contract. It's a win from the start

 

[dragonoffrost]

It's easy if you try,

Hextall and Holmgren and not starting a rebuild a decade ago.

Thanks I got an earworm now....

 

[ponder719]

Not really sure what they get out of Couturier & Atkinson next year.

$13.625M of disappointment and despair over lost chances.

 

[Captain Dave Poulin]

@Magua @FLYguy3911

Someone on Twitter proposed: Konecny to the Leafs for Roni Hirvonen (young defenseman), Nick Robertson and a 1st this year (Boston's). I don't know why I'm posting it - just found it interesting. I would rather trade him for Reichel or draft picks, but then I remember the Crisco dirigible.

 

[deadhead]

Draft picks are overrated in trades, picks in the late teens and 20s are worth half of those from #6-15.
They have value, but not to the extent they're going to turn a franchise around, they're more useful for obtaining solid depth. The solid prospect near to the NHL (thus lower risk), is as good or better.

If you don't blow those high picks with Patricks and Pitkanen's, that's where you get the 3 or 4 players you need for your core, add some complementary players from acquired draft picks and prospects, and hit on a couple picks after the 1st round.

If you just depend on high draft picks, it takes a long time to accumulate enough to make a difference, Edmonton being a good example, and by then you're paying your high picks big salaries.

 

[Rebels57]

Flyers have made the playoffs 5 times in the past 12 years, but only 1 in the last 5. So they are trending more towards (another) rebuild in the sense that even without tanking, at least they are getting *some* decently high picks. Of course, there's a good chance they are a much better (non-playoff) team next year with a healthy Coots and Atkinson. Not really ideal, honestly.

Gauthier, may or may not be good but at least has the potential to be. I thought he looked like a floater at the WJC for the 2-3 games I went to see. But could he be a middle six scorer? That would be nice.

#7 this year is not Bedard, it's not Fantilli. But it's something.

What are they going to do moving forward? That's the only question that matters.

I'm already getting hints of the nepotism just continuing... but I am keeping my mind slightly ajar.

They traded their 2021 1st for Ristolainen and then totally whiffed on their 2nd in 2021, drafted in the 20's in 2020, and took York over Caufield and Boldy in 2019.

If you want to say the rebuild started in 2022 with Gauthier, that's fine...but please remember that you need to pick in volume and dumbass Chuckles traded their 2nd that year too.