2023-24 Roster Thread 1: Entering the Starting Gate

[deadhead]

I'd move Hayes with retention for a first and provorov for a haul. After that the pickings are slim so the idea of reclamation guys to move at the deadline is a good one.
I don't think Laughton gets you that much more in the summer and it's good to have culture guys. We're going to suck again so it's really no pressure and there's no one pushing their way in except maybe Forester and York.
Concentrate on clearing cap and playing the right way

Don't think they'll get much for Hayes, but addition by subtraction.

Laughton will get more - 3x3 is a nice price for a guy who can fill multiple roles and is a good clubhouse addition. He's a 3LW or 4C next year, might as well let Desnoyers play.

Will be interesting to see how Briere handles the free agent market. Could be some guys out there worth taking a shot at for maybe trade value or some former first rounders maybe that can rebound? I feel like they shouldn't sign anyone more than two years but I think there are some potential low-cost decent rewards guys out there if they actually make it to the market like Jost, Steel, Barbashev, Drouin, Motte, Nieto, Donskoi, Ritchie, and probably a lot more. I don't think anyone available really fits into any long-term planning but plenty of guys that should be available to be signed for deadline trades, especially now that we don't have Fletcher who is incapable of making any kind of deal.

This is a key going forward. Hextall and Fletcher both sucked at finding value and hidden gems. PEB was the only good move by Hextall (Weal, Filppula, Lehtera, MDZ, Weise, Lyubimov, Schultz, Gordon, White . . .). CF didn't do much better, Brassard, Brown, MacEwen, Seeler.

Adding veterans on one year deals to flip at the TDL, and finding kids blocked/misused on other teams that can blossom with structure and PT would be a big plus.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Don't think they'll get much for Hayes, but addition by subtraction.

Laughton will get more - 3x3 is a nice price for a guy who can fill multiple roles and is a good clubhouse addition. He's a 3LW or 4C next year, might as well let Desnoyers play.

This is a key going forward. Hextall and Fletcher both sucked at finding value and hidden gems. PEB was the only good move by Hextall (Weal, Filppula, Lehtera, MDZ, Weise, Lyubimov, Schultz, Gordon, White . . .). CF didn't do much better, Brassard, Brown, MacEwen, Seeler.

Adding veterans on one year deals to flip at the TDL, and finding kids blocked/misused on other teams that can blossom with structure and PT would be a big plus.

Tortorella is incapable of finding those guys and Briere learned his craft from guys who are incapable.

 

[bobbythebrain]

Tortorella is incapable of finding those guys and Briere learned his craft from guys who are incapable.

Briere isn't a robot who learned the game of hockey from those guys. He's a former player who understands the game. He learned the business side of things from them sure, but as far as assessing talent and puzzling in the pieces he thinks will work going forward, that's yet to be seen.

 

[Gregor Samsa]

Nope. CF was dead man walking at that point, it's obvious Hilferty had already been in place as Scott's successor, Briere was lined up for the job - all CF did was accelerate the inevitable.

It was Torts who opened up the eyes of the Comcast executives to how bad things really were, no more sugar coating by Scott.

At best, Torts threw Fletcher under the bus to save his coaching job. That’s if he even is a proponent of a rebuild. The way you are framing torts makes him look like a Svengali, and it’s scaring people here

 

[wankstifier]

Briere is already involved in one of the most baffling contracts in the NHL.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Briere isn't a robot who learned the game of hockey from those guys. He's a former player who understands the game. He learned the business side of things from them sure, but as far as assessing talent and puzzling in the pieces he thinks will work going forward, that's yet to be seen.

There's a huge difference between knowing how to play hockey and knowing how to manage hockey. Couturier has great on-ice IQ and thinks Thompson was a truly worthwhile and vital player. Briere spearheaded the Deslauriers signing. He didn't learn how to play hockey from the slobs running this team, but he learned how to manage an NHL team from them. That's a problem.

 

[deadhead]

At best, Torts threw Fletcher under the bus to save his coaching job. That’s if he even is a proponent of a rebuild. The way you are framing torts makes him look like a Svengali, and it’s scaring people here

Torts had a 4x4 deal, he wasn't getting fired in any case, so forget the "threw Fletcher under the bus" argument. I think it's more like he showed up, saw what the players looked like in his scheme, and gave Fletcher a list of guys to dump. Fletcher said that doesn't fit an "aggressive reload." Torts then left the reservation.

Torts has been talking long-term rebuild since last fall, he even said it might take longer than his contract (4 years). I mean he's been pretty explicit.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Torts had a 4x4 deal, he wasn't getting fired in any case, so forget the "threw Fletcher under the bus" argument. I think it's more like he showed up, saw what the players looked like in his scheme, and gave Fletcher a list of guys to dump. Fletcher said that doesn't fit an "aggressive reload." Torts then left the reservation.

Torts has been talking long-term rebuild since last fall, he even said it might take longer than his contract (4 years). I mean he's been pretty explicit.

If they bring in his kinds of players it will take a LOT longer than 4 years.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

If this organization was operated properly and this was an actual rebuild… Tortorella could and should be fired.

Instead, they’re hiring people from within this awful franchise without seeking outside voices.

Great franchise, much change, much praise.

 

[tucson83]

If they bring in his kinds of players it will take a LOT longer than 4 years.

really? so panarin, dubois, anderson, bjorkstrand, foligno they werent goalscorers? your logic makes no sense and for some reason you dont like tough coaches you want player coaches that never last for 2 years and it doesnt get them anywhere.

 

[Starat327]

really? so panarin, dubois, anderson, bjorkstrand, foligno they werent goalscorers? your logic makes no sense and for some reason you dont like tough coaches you want player coaches that never last for 2 years and it doesnt get them anywhere.

Everyone of those players, save one, fled Columbus because of Tortorella.

Solid C+ for effort, though.

 

[FlyerNutter]

Islanders, and CBJ.

Franchises to model after.

 

[tucson83]

Everyone of those players, save one, fled Columbus because of Tortorella.

Solid C+ for effort, though.

i swear if we win a cup with this coach or another tough coach, you are not going to be happy because you want to win your way.

 

[dragonoffrost]

i swear if we win a cup with this coach or another tough coach, you are not going to be happy because you want to win your way.

And the same goes for you if a players coach won the cup here by your constant ranting against that style



To Deadhead: since automerge sucks...
Also how do we keep hearing that this team is going to trade the ONLY player who had a leadership letter on his blouse last season? Torts loves him if he gave him that since Torts said those letters had to be earned.

 

[Beef Invictus]

If this organization was operated properly and this was an actual rebuild… Tortorella could and should be fired.

Instead, they’re hiring people from within this awful franchise without seeking outside voices.

Great franchise, much change, much praise.

They're building around the coach who has admitted to not sufficiently understanding the sport anymore, not being able to coach, and showing he's not willing to coach.

We have years to go before the rebuild begins. In the meantime, even more pointless suffering.

 

[Beef Invictus]

really? so panarin, dubois, anderson, bjorkstrand, foligno they werent goalscorers? your logic makes no sense and for some reason you dont like tough coaches you want player coaches that never last for 2 years and it doesnt get them anywhere.

Please stop lying. You've shown you are able to read so you know I've never said any of this bullshit you made up.

 

[Beef Invictus]

i swear if we win a cup with this coach or another tough coach, you are not going to be happy because you want to win your way.

We are never winning a Cup with this coach, who does not want any goalscorers on a team starved of offense, but rather PK specialists. Remember? I showed you what he said.

I would be delighted if they win a Cup. I don't give a shit if a coach is tough. I give a shit if a coach is competent. Have you noticed me defending Sutter? I bet everyone here agrees.

 

[FlyerNutter]

We are never winning a Cup with this coach, who does not want any goalscorers on a team starved of offense, but rather PK specialists. Remember? I showed you what he said.

I would be delighted if they win a Cup. I don't give a shit if a coach is tough. I give a shit if a coach is competent. Have you noticed me defending Sutter? I bet everyone here agrees.

I am just wondering, and it’s nothing personal - but who actually finds the Flyers philosophical/strategic approach to playing the game entertaining?

It’s a boring as shit product. The STH crowd in large part reeks of those unwilling to let go of the past, or admit the team they support is indeed run by people who have no competent bone in their body.

 

[BernieParent]

I would like to point out that Tortorella's early driving of the rebuild notion, while rattling the Old Guard, also served as 100% job security for him over several years. It removes the expectation to be competitive and gives him carte blanche to assemble whatever line-ups he wants under the guise of development, but also accountability and playing the right way.

 

[dragonoffrost]

I would like to point out that Tortorella's early driving of the rebuild notion, while rattling the Old Guard, also served as 100% job security for him over several years. It removes the expectation to be competitive and gives him carte blanche to assemble whatever line-ups he wants under the guise of development, but also accountability and playing the right way.

Yep gets him two years at least...

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

I would like to point out that Tortorella's early driving of the rebuild notion, while rattling the Old Guard, also served as 100% job security for him over several years. It removes the expectation to be competitive and gives him carte blanche to assemble whatever line-ups he wants under the guise of development, but also accountability and playing the right way.

Yes, Bern, but you're forgetting that Tortorella loves a challenge and he knew what he was getting into here. The main reason he took the job was because he wants to solidify his HHoF spot by doing so because he certainly doesn't need the money.

We've been told this by a person that lives inside of John Tortorella's head (or maybe it was his ass, I forget) so it's legit.

 

[Starat327]

i swear if we win a cup with this coach or another tough coach, you are not going to be happy because you want to win your way.

Fortunately, that situation is purely a hypothetical and will never exist in this reality, so we don't have to worry about it.

That said, I dont have an issue with tough coaches. I have an issue with shitty coaches. Tortorella falls into the latter category (and maybe the first too, but he doesnt coach me, so i cant speak definitely to the matter, unlike some who pretend they know whats happening in the locker room).

 

[Ghosts Beer]

I would like to point out that Tortorella's early driving of the rebuild notion, while rattling the Old Guard, also served as 100% job security for him over several years. It removes the expectation to be competitive and gives him carte blanche to assemble whatever line-ups he wants under the guise of development, but also accountability and playing the right way.

Bernie, I respectfully disagree. I don't think the reason Tortorella called it a rebuild from Day 1 was out of a conniving ulterior motive to give himself as much time as possible.

I mean, Torts could have ruined his chances in the interview process considering Dave Scott and Chuck Fletcher only a few months earlier had called it a retool, with Scott indicating he thought it could be turned around fast. So it took some balls that could have cost him the opportunity. If he wanted to lie out of self-interest, I'd think he'd have told them what they wanted to hear in the interview process.

I think Torts is simply a blunt person. He calls it like he sees it, and from Day 1 he saw the Flyers as a rebuild.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Unfortunately the area of the team that most desperately needs rebuilding is the one area they're desperately refusing to rebuild. So they'll keep being losers.

 

[deadhead]

Given there were 2 years left on the AV deal, Torts was pretty secure with a 4x4.
And he delivered what was promised, this was a better, more disciplined team despite getting much younger with less talent (no G, no Couts, no Atkinson) than the previous season.

I think the Kraken fans are pretty entertained.
I think Flyer fans would love a fast, aggressive team that hounds opponents over 200 ft and makes things happen with a smothering forecheck.
Not every fan is enthralled with "figure skater" hockey.