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2023-24 Roster Thread 1: Entering the Starting Gate

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Starat327 said:
You guys gotta stop doing this to yourselves. Seriously.
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deadhead said:
Nope. CF was dead man walking at that point, it's obvious Hilferty had already been in place as Scott's successor, Briere was lined up for the job - all CF did was accelerate the inevitable.

It was Torts who opened up the eyes of the Comcast executives to how bad things really were, no more sugar coating by Scott.
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Tortorella didn't do a thing.
 
deadhead said:
It took a village of idiots to mire this team in mediocrity.
It began with Holmgren, then Hextall, then Fletcher. Plenty of blame to go around.

Love or hate Torts, he's the one who tore the band-aid off and exposed the wound.
And he's the one who's set the agenda of a long-term rebuild.

What makes this interesting is there's an outside chance this team could make the playoffs next year, AFTER letting JVR walk and trading Hayes, Laughton and Provorov. Depends on three factors:
1) health of Couts and Atkinson
2) return on trades (prospects picked up)
3) short-term patches in free agency and on waivers
Couts at 100% is a game changer.

Farabee - Couts - TK
Tippett - Frost - Atkinson
??? (Lycksell) - Cates - Foerster
Deslauriers - Desnoyers - Allison

??? - York - ???
Sanheim - Risto
Seeler - TDA
Zamula - Attard

Hart/Ersson

The good news is I think Torts/Briere know even if this team squeezed its way to 95 points or so, they know it's not a SC contender and will continue to rebuild. So they're not going to make the "win now" moves that plagued this team for a decade.
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They aren't trading the only guy who wore a letter under God Emperor Torts.
 
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Laughton is a good bet to be traded, he'll be 29. Cates is already a better version (note they tried Laughton at 3C before Torts moved Hayes back to center).

I think JVR, Hayes, Laughton and Provorov will all be moved before the draft.
 
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deadhead said:
Laughton is a good bet to be traded, he'll be 29. Cates is already a better version (note they tried Laughton at 3C before Torts moved Hayes back to center).

I think JVR, Hayes, Laughton and Provorov will all be moved before the draft.
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JVR?
 
deadhead said:
Laughton is a good bet to be traded, he'll be 29. Cates is already a better version (note they tried Laughton at 3C before Torts moved Hayes back to center).

I think JVR, Hayes, Laughton and Provorov will all be moved before the draft.
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dragonoffrost said:
They aren't trading the only guy who wore a letter under God Emperor Torts.
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But without moving Laughton's massive cap hit, how will get the room for the big free agents they aren't signing?
 
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deadhead said:
Laughton is a good bet to be traded, he'll be 29. Cates is already a better version (note they tried Laughton at 3C before Torts moved Hayes back to center).

I think JVR, Hayes, Laughton and Provorov will all be moved before the draft.
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When was the last time a team traded three large contracts like that in a single off season?
 
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Whether they move Hayes and Provorov this summer really depends on how bad a return GMDB is prepared to accept in order to move forward.
 
Laughton isn't that big ($3M), Hayes seems to be wired to CBJ, Provorov has two years left so he shouldn't be that hard to move.

Given the paucity of RHDs in the system, and meager returns, Risto is secure for at least one more season. TDA and Sanheim may not be moveable. TK and Hart are unlikely unless someone "makes an offer you can't refuse."
 
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Theres only one GM dumb enough to trade for the rights to a UFA -- so who are we expecting to hire Fletcher before the draft, and why would he want JVRs rights?
 
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deadhead said:
Laughton isn't that big ($3M), Hayes seems to be wired to CBJ, Provorov has two years left so he shouldn't be that hard to move.

Given the paucity of RHDs in the system, and meager returns, Risto is secure for at least one more season. TDA and Sanheim may not be moveable. TK and Hart are unlikely unless someone "makes an offer you can't refuse."
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The team sees Laughton as a core piece and if Danny loves Deslauriers, there's no way he doesn't love Laughton. They probably think he's something to build around.
 
deadhead said:
Nope. CF was dead man walking at that point, it's obvious Hilferty had already been in place as Scott's successor, Briere was lined up for the job - all CF did was accelerate the inevitable.

It was Torts who opened up the eyes of the Comcast executives to how bad things really were, no more sugar coating by Scott.
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If that was true (which you have no way of knowing) it just makes them look even worse for letting him run the deadline before the most important draft in years. Before firing Chuck, what moves were made that indicated any sort of rebuild?
 
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FLYguy3911 said:
Not sure if this was posted but pour one out for @Stizzle. Should officially end his Flyers tenure.

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No loss. He had a solid but nothing special season in his third KHL season, so he projects at best as a 4th line NHL forward. Has improved his defense,
53rd in the KHL in scoring. Respectable but no more given his age and experience.
Jordan Weal at 31 was 30th. But he did outscore Corbin Knight.
 
deadhead said:
No loss. He had a solid but nothing special season in his third KHL season, so he projects at best as a 4th line NHL forward. Has improved his defense,
53rd in the KHL in scoring. Respectable but no more given his age and experience.
Jordan Weal at 31 was 30th. But he did outscore Corbin Knight.
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You think everyone is no loss, and yet they are.
 
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Will be interesting to see how Briere handles the free agent market. Could be some guys out there worth taking a shot at for maybe trade value or some former first rounders maybe that can rebound? I feel like they shouldn't sign anyone more than two years but I think there are some potential low-cost decent rewards guys out there if they actually make it to the market like Jost, Steel, Barbashev, Drouin, Motte, Nieto, Donskoi, Ritchie, and probably a lot more. I don't think anyone available really fits into any long-term planning but plenty of guys that should be available to be signed for deadline trades, especially now that we don't have Fletcher who is incapable of making any kind of deal.
 
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I'd move Hayes with retention for a first and provorov for a haul. After that the pickings are slim so the idea of reclamation guys to move at the deadline is a good one.
I don't think Laughton gets you that much more in the summer and it's good to have culture guys. We're going to suck again so it's really no pressure and there's no one pushing their way in except maybe Forester and York.
Concentrate on clearing cap and playing the right way
 
Stizzle said:
Chris Stewart was his most common linemate 5 on 5. An excellent job by the Flyers as usual.
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Three years in the KHL and an aging Weal outplays you.
I think there was nothing there to develop.
Didn't skate well enough to be a top 9 forward, didn't use his big body (soft as a marshmallow).
 
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