Player Discussion Morgan Rielly

[NinjaKick]

Why highly paid professional male athletes get married and start raising kids and a family before they retire in their 30's is f***ed up. You see the immediate performance decline in nearly every instance. Geez... how stupid can they be? Yeah, women have a biological clock for this stuff, but not men.

 

[Ports]

I actually noted that Rielly made a mistake there. I just didn't ignore the contributions of the other 4 people on the ice to blame it all on Rielly.

Nobody is denying that Rielly has had his struggles this year relative to the level he has been for years, but the exaggerations are through the roof. No, his stats don't suck. No, his coach doesn't say he sucks. In fact, he gives him the most minutes on the team. What some on this forum think isn't worth a whole lot.

But your view point is ? Usually when someone is in the vast minority of opinions they realize there might be something to what others have to say. Stubbornly clinging to false narratives and dismissing everyone else out of hand says more about you than anyone else. Unless you’re his agent. Then I could understand your position on the player.

 

[Larcos_Unal]

We're pretty lucky the cap going up so fast will make this contract feel more palpable. In 2-3 years the hit will be a lesser percentage of the cap and will be closer to a $5-6M contract today. It still hurts to have this guy eat up precious cap, play bad defence, and produce little offense when you can't afford to go out and pay for depth scoring.

No more excuses, he simply needs to be better.

 

[Dekes For Days]

Usually when someone is in the vast minority of opinions they realize there might be something to what others have to say. Stubbornly clinging to false narratives and dismissing everyone else out of hand says more about you than anyone else.

Being the minority opinion among those venting in a thread on a message board is pretty meaningless. Majority opinions are often wrong, especially when mob mentality kicks in. If anything, given this board's history of evaluating anything properly (especially defense and defensemen), it's supportive of my position.

The only thing I've dismissed are those false narratives. Your opinion doesn't align with the facts or the opinion of the coach.

 

[Menzinger]

A strong playoffs performance can easily erase his awful play this season. But he's going to need to find a way to step up when needed the most, otherwise the external criticism is going to get very loud for the rest of his deal

 

[thewave]

A strong playoffs performance can easily erase his awful play this season. But he's going to need to find a way to step up when needed the most, otherwise the external criticism is going to get very loud for the rest of his deal

He should in reconditioning during 4 nations. He needs to lose weight and work on quickness

Why highly paid professional male athletes get married and start raising kids and a family before they retire in their 30's is f***ed up. You see the immediate performance decline in nearly every instance. Geez... how stupid can they be? Yeah, women have a biological clock for this stuff, but not men.

I think they meet women and get held hostage. The shotgun comes out and all that. Lol just joking

 

[Ports]

Being the minority opinion among those venting in a thread on a message board is pretty meaningless. Majority opinions are often wrong, especially when mob mentality kicks in. If anything, given this board's history of evaluating anything properly (especially defense and defensemen), it's supportive of my position.

The only thing I've dismissed are those false narratives. Your opinion doesn't align with the facts or the opinion of the coach.

The coach has expressed his concern with his play and said he needs to play better and that Rielly knows he needs to play better and that the coaching staff is trying to help him do that. That’s hardly a vote of confidence on how well he’s playing is it ?

The coach has expressed his concern with his play and said he needs to play better and that Rielly knows he needs to play better and that the coaching staff is trying to help him do that. That’s hardly a vote of confidence on how well he’s playing is it ?

Mob mentality ?

 

[LeafEgo]

Why is a buyout the worst option? If his game doesn’t improve he’ll basically become untradable unless the Leafs eat $2-3M of his contact. That will reduce their cap space for the next five seasons. If they buy him out, it only costs them $25M cash over 10 seasons and saves $21M in cap space over the next 5 seasons. A benefit of at least $5-7M in cap space annually.

Because it would saddle us with a ~3M cap hit every year for the next ten years.

Riellys trade value is not negative, we would get a decent asset back. Dobber still has him ranked in the top 20. The NMC is the obstacle to overcome.

The best outcome is to fix him, as there is no other path to make us whole - the team otherwise absorbs a major hit.

If he's terrible all the way through to the end of the post season than either him or Berube will have to take the fall.

 

[Menzinger]

The math doesn't work on a buyout. Unless he was being incredibly toxic in the dressing room (and buy all accounts he's very well liked) a buyout would be counterproductive

 

[Dekes For Days]

The coach has expressed his concern with his play and said he needs to play better and that Rielly knows he needs to play better and that the coaching staff is trying to help him do that.

Sounds pretty similar to what I said. He's struggled in some areas relative to what he's shown in the past, and the coach needs to support him and put him in better situations to succeed. But he still recognizes that Rielly is a good defenseman that brings value to the team, and that's why he gives him the most minutes on the team.

 

[Stephen]

But your view point is ? Usually when someone is in the vast minority of opinions they realize there might be something to what others have to say. Stubbornly clinging to false narratives and dismissing everyone else out of hand says more about you than anyone else. Unless you’re his agent. Then I could understand your position on the player.

You have entered into a circular conversation about narratives on narratives and opinions on opinions and not the actual player. The easiest thing to do is back up and move along.

On Rielly himself, his decline in play has been noticeable and anyone can freely express their frustration and concern over this.

 

[Fogelhund]

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