2023-24 Roster Thread 1: Entering the Starting Gate

[FLYguy3911]

I thought we determined Frost was a player after he scored 100 points in his D+1? Wasn't that the deal?

 

[Beef Invictus]

I thought we determined Frost was a player after he scored 100 points in his D+1? Wasn't that the deal?

That was before the omniscient Fletcher and Flahr decreed otherwise, along with a Tortorella who would prefer Barkov to McDavid.

 

[TheKingPin]

I’d be much more about trading Couts than losing Frost. I don’t see how this team can possibly turn it around to make Couts relevant here given their low draft pick volume. Only way is if they get 1OA or 2OA this year AND trade others for a lot of picks in these two drafts.

I’m all about Couts coming back and trading him when he starts playing well again.

 

[Gregor Samsa]

I’d be much more about trading Couts than losing Frost. I don’t see how this team can possibly turn it around to make Couts relevant here given their low draft pick volume. Only way is if they get 1OA or 2OA this year AND trade others for a lot of picks in these two drafts.

I’m all about Couts coming back and trading him when he starts playing well again.

Is Couts even tradeable at this point with his contract and injuries? Maybe he becomes the Professor Charles Xavier of rubber rather than metal but I think it’s optimistic to think he’ll be a major factor moving forward.

 

[Curufinwe]

No, of course he's not tradeable after playing 29 games in two years with 7 x $7.5m left and also having a NMC.

 

[BackToTheBrierePatch]

I’d be much more about trading Couts than losing Frost. I don’t see how this team can possibly turn it around to make Couts relevant here given their low draft pick volume. Only way is if they get 1OA or 2OA this year AND trade others for a lot of picks in these two drafts.

I’m all about Couts coming back and trading him when he starts playing well again.

Given his injury history it’s going to be very difficult to trade him even with retention. Just have to hope he can regain some of his form back. I am not expecting 1C form when he returns. But I think we are going to have to live with what he is when he does come back

 

[renberg]

No, of course he's not tradeable after playing 29 games in two years with 7 x $7.5m left and also having a NMC.

It's possible that sometime in the future he might waive his NMC in order to get out of here. More likely is that no club would be willing to take on a player with the health history that he now has. I hate to say this because I like SC as a player a lot but he's one twitch of his back away from ending his career. The same goes with a player like Letang. Good player but I wouldn't want him or his contract with the health issues that he's had. The risk is too great and the possible reward too low to take on players that have big contracts as well as major health issues. SC will probably be a Flyers for the duration like Letang will be in Pittsburgh.

 

[deadhead]

Couts has great intangibles, you want a few veterans like that to anchor a young, rebuilding team.
It's not like we're gonna need his cap room in the near future.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Intangibles are stupid. Couturier and anyone he mentors will be long gone before this team turns it around.

 

[Ghosts Beer]

Strange how some people seem to despise Couturier.

He was their best player from 2017/18 until he got hurt.

He's one of the top 3 players the organization has had over the last decade.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Strange how some people seem to despise Couturier.

He was their best player from 2017/18 until he got hurt.

He's one of the top 3 players the organization has had over the last decade.

Nobody despises Couturier.

 

[Gregor Samsa]

Strange how some people seem to despise Couturier.

He was their best player from 2017/18 until he got hurt.

He's one of the top 3 players the organization has had over the last decade.

I don’t think anyone hates Couts. It’s more that people recognize that he most likely won’t be the same player going forward and that makes his contract cumbersome. He’s been a good soldier through some dark years but he shouldn’t really be put into the Flyers long term plans

 

[kudymen]

Nobody despises Couturier.

wait what, Invents an issue and then gets mad about it? Never saw that happen. And certainly not today at least twice here already

 

[TheKingPin]

Is Couts even tradeable at this point with his contract and injuries? Maybe he becomes the Professor Charles Xavier of rubber rather than metal but I think it’s optimistic to think he’ll be a major factor moving forward.

Given his injury history it’s going to be very difficult to trade him even with retention. Just have to hope he can regain some of his form back. I am not expecting 1C form when he returns. But I think we are going to have to live with what he is when he does come back

It will be hard and I don’t think we should trade him yet. I would think next year he will not be productive and then the following year he’s close to his max production at that age. Trade him after that unless we win the lottery and draft really well in the next two years.

 

[deadhead]

Why trade Couts at all? It's not like his contract is going to be an issue on a rebuilding team, in two years they'll have dumped most of their major contracts and will have loads of cap room.

You need a few veterans to anchor a rebuilding team - you want a team where no one has PO experience or is fundamentally sound? The blind leading the blind?

 

[smokey]

Flyers need to become stone cold methodical in extracting the highest possible value in trades. Set intangibles and sentimentality aside for good. Hockey is nothing but a soul-crushing numbers game nowadays and the Flyers need to embrace this fact. That being said, the optimal time for a Coots trade is not now, with his trade value at its lowest point in recent history. Despite this being a deep draft, no amount of late round draft sweeteners could convince me this is the point when we get the most out of a Coots trade. Team timeline pretty much dictates he needs to get traded for youth/draft capital at some point, just not rn.

 

[Petr Svoboda Mullet]

If Couts comes back, plays ~70 games and scores 30/30 with good defense, you could definitely move him next offseason for legitimate assets, and I believe he would allow it. Big if though.

 

[renberg]

Trying to dump a player who has an expensive long term deal with a NMC could cost an organization its integrity in the eyes of players around the game. Coots is not a malcontent like Hayes. He’s been the epitome of what a club wants a player and leader to be. Shaft a guy like that and good luck signing and keeping anyone in the future.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Why trade Couts at all? It's not like his contract is going to be an issue on a rebuilding team, in two years they'll have dumped most of their major contracts and will have loads of cap room.

You need a few veterans to anchor a rebuilding team - you want a team where no one has PO experience or is fundamentally sound? The blind leading the blind?

Tortorella is the HC and he refuses to do his job. They're already blind.

In 2 years they will not have loads of cap room. They will be incapable of doing that until the entire office has been fired and replaced with people who understand it is not 2003.

 

[Danko]

Strange how some people seem to despise Couturier.

Whom?

 

[VladDrag]

Talking about trading Couts right now makes no sense. Nor, I do I think they look to move him next year even if he plays a full season and bounces back to a reasonable level.

You can't retain on him (I mean you could, but retaining for 6 years is a non-started), and I'm not sure any team that would be interested in taking Couts would be willing to take him on for 6 more seasons.

Crazier things have happened, but I have to imagine that he'll be a Flyer for at least 3-4 more seasons. And, I'm okay with that. I have significant doubts he'll be as good as he was between 2015-2020, but I do think he'll still be a very top-6 center for a long time. Just keep in mind, he's very likely going to need ~20-40 games this year to look decent. The goal for Couts this upcoming season is to get through the year without significant injury. It's not really about anything else.

 

[deadhead]

Couts has a long history of raising the game of his linemates, exactly what you want when you're trying to get young wingers to play at a higher level.

The only reason you'd consider moving Couts is if he was unhappy.
Kopitar is 35 and lead a King's team to 104 points.

 

[Flyerfan4life]

Whom?

#crickets...

 

[Rebels57]

Landing Bedard or Fantilli and allowing Couturier to be the 2C would do wonders for his career, and of course, the Flyers.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Couts has a long history of raising the game of his linemates, exactly what you want when you're trying to get young wingers to play at a higher level.

The only reason you'd consider moving Couts is if he was unhappy.
Kopitar is 35 and lead a King's team to 104 points.

It's funny you think these purely theoretical young wingers will get top line time if it can be avoided.