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Boston Bruins 2023-24 Roster and Salary Cap Discussion VII

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Fenian24 said:
They fill very different needs, the Bruins need a tough physical D, Grizz is not that Lauzon is, they have puck movers and have had them since the Seattle draft, they have not had a truly physical bottom 3 D since Kevan Miller.


Middleton and Schenn both have term left on their deals, problem is Nashville and Minnesota are both vying for the playoffs and I can't see them moving those players. Both would be great additions here.
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Schenn is arguably the worst dman in the league this year.

Lauzon stinks too.

I think Middleton would be ok for the right price, but he's not a top 4 guy.
 
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Gonzothe7thDman said:
That whole 1st line, Bergeron included, were owned by Ryan O'Reilly.

I put the finals series loss on those 3 as much as anyone.
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I have said many times before that first line was beaten down all season, because Sweeney did not do his job and get them some help, and come the playoffs they were ripe for the taking and the Blues were fortunate enough to be the team to do it. The Blues fans should be grateful to the other teams in the league for they were contributors to their success and they should have put Sweeney on their XMAS card list, he failed miserable that season.
 
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Dennis Bonvie said:
I think we need to stop calling the young players "kids".

They are young men, professional athletes. Hockey was the whole show for them for quite a while before they were even drafted. They know the score. Just like all the players on the team, they are individuals who progress at different rates. Can't treat them all the same, but they all need to adhere to the same team framework. Frederic is 25, in his 6th year as a pro. He may be just about figuring it all out now.
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WTF did you just say ?
 
Dennis Bonvie said:
I think we need to stop calling the young players "kids".

They are young men, professional athletes. Hockey was the whole show for them for quite a while before they were even drafted. They know the score. Just like all the players on the team, they are individuals who progress at different rates. Can't treat them all the same, but they all need to adhere to the same team framework. Frederic is 25, in his 6th year as a pro. He may be just about figuring it all out now.
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I wish someone would call me a kid. I'd be flattered!
 
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BradMarchandismydad said:
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Schenn is arguably the worst dman in the league this year.

Lauzon stinks too.

I think Middleton would be ok for the right price, but he's not a top 4 guy.
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If you can get a top 4 guy that would be great, but if you get a bottom 6 guy that is a nasty son of bitch, that could keep some of these cheap shot artist in line ,(see Florida ) or they want to play like that fine, but make them pay.
 
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Hookslide said:
I too am on the Monty watch; I understand that a coach's job is to win but at the same time because of this being a cap era you need to play the young kids and bring them along . I understand Laukos lack of offense but he does bring some energy, speed to the 4th line, he also has been strong on the fore check, but he takes him out of the lineup consistently for players that do not do anymore offensively that he does. The Beecher situation bears watching, I think as a whole he has played well, but also think you can screw with these young kids frame of mind with ice time and being a healthy scratch situations. They were trying to bring in 3 kids Loheri,Beecher and Poitras, and the fans wanted them too bring Merkolov and Lysell, maybe it is time to pump the brakes a little. Lysell get called out by his coach and the fans want to reward him by promoting him, maybe he should read Pastas playbook when he was a young player and was told what he needed to work , he didn't sulk he went out and worked on what was asked of him. Please no more of this Mekolov should be up here, I saw nothing that says he should and stop whining about his ice time. When they signed Luccic, I did not think much of it and I am a fan, but him being out has been real hit to this team. I am probably going to be ripped for this but I don't care, get off they need a #1 C, not going to happen at this time without it costing this team big time. The Bruins have no draft picks to move and shouldn't , I do not want too trade for a Giroux, Lindholm over thirty or approaching thirty type player that is going to cost a fortune to sign, but I would go after a younger D-man like a Hanifan, Chychrun or even a younger forward that could help this team now, even if it means moving a Loheri, Poitras, Lysell, Mekolov and when I say Poitras, I do not mean rush out to move him only on deal that is beneficial to this club now. I know Loheri is everbodys binky this year , but if you can a young d-man with nhl experience do it.
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I agree with much of this, but if you checked the podcast, the bottom line for any NHL coach is winning. Of course they want to manage minutes, expectations and growing a prospect's game, but the NHL is not a development league. Coaches win or they are out of a job.

More salient here, if the young players -- Lohrei, Beecher, Merkulov -- are playing poorly for whatever reason, you really can't throw them out there and say, "We're playing the kids." The situation would be different if Boston were at the bottom of the standings and clearly in rebuild mode. That is not the case. Add to this, not insignificantly, the old man wants his playoff gate. That's all he cares about.

If the Bruins could afford to do so, they would send Lohrei down with Merkulov. With Forbort out, that's a problem.

As for Lysell, after Mougenel's blunt criticism he's apparently been better in terms of playing a team game. That's all to the good, but imho, he is neither ready nor deserving of a call up at this point. He has a lot of work to do, and even then, I'm not certain he is willing or able to commit to that.

I agree that now is not the time to chase a 1C, as the Bruins simply don't have the assets to add one in season. That's best left to the summer, as you suggest.

In the meantime, if Sweeney wants to improve his club's playoff odds, he can bolster a lineup badly in need of size and physicality without giving up the farm.

Two bangers; one on D, one up front.

Eminently "doable." Even Sweeney must realize the need.

We'll see,


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Gee Wally said:
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Decisions Loom as Derek Forbort Inches Closer to a Return to Action

The Boston Bruins are in the midst of a four-game road trip through the Western Conference. The roster below is what the Bruins will be carrying on the trip. Derek Forbort has been on long-term inj…
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"But if they did send Lohrei down along with Boqvist and kept Wotherspoon as the seventh defenceman they could still activate Forbort and be just $650,000 from getting out of LTIR.

Decision day is just around the corner and we may not like it."

Will we really not like it? Wotherspoon clearly does give them something they don't get much off in the bottom 3. Lohrei's skill set isn't desperately needed if Shatty and company are playing offensively as they have been. Dunno, seems like an easy one for Sweenius to me. I'm more curious if they can move Griz at the deadline to bring in F help.
 
GordonHowe said:
I agree with much of this, but if you checked the podcast, the bottom line for any NHL coach is winning. Of course they want to manage minutes, expectations and growing a prospect's game, but the NHL is not a development league. Coaches win or they are out of a job.

More salient here, if the young players -- Lohrei, Beecher, Merkulov -- are playing poorly for whatever reason, you really can't throw them out there and say, "We're playing the kids." The situation would be different if Boston were at the bottom of the standings and clearly in rebuild mode. That is not the case. Add to this, not insignificantly, the old man wants his playoff gate. That's all he cares about.

If the Bruins could afford to do so, they would send Lohrei down with Merkulov. With Forbort out, that's a problem.

As for Lysell, after Mougenel's blunt criticism he's apparently been better in terms of playing a team. That's all to the good, but imho, he is neither ready nor deserving of a call up at this point. He has a lot of work to do, and even then, I'm not certain he is willing or able to commit to that.

I agree that now is not the time to chase a 1C, as the Bruins simply don't have the assets to add one in season. That's best left to the summer, as you suggest.

In the meantime, if Sweeney wants to improve his club's playoff odds, he can bolster a lineup badly in need of size and physicality without giving up the farm.

Two bangers; one on D, one up front.

Eminently "doable." Even Sweeney must realize the need.

We'll see,


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I probably did a poor job explaining my kids comment. I agree the coach is paid to win, and in his defense he is gone if he doesn't, but there needs to be some consistency with a team. I do not think taking some one out like Beecher, for another player that does even less, Beecher has done for the most part a good job on faceoffs, and he does kill penalties and do think he does need to be more physical and hopefully that will come. I apologize if I did not explain my self all that well.
 
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GordonHowe said:
I agree with much of this, but if you checked the podcast, the bottom line for any NHL coach is winning. Of course they want to manage minutes, expectations and growing a prospect's game, but the NHL is not a development league. Coaches win or they are out of a job.

More salient here, if the young players -- Lohrei, Beecher, Merkulov -- are playing poorly for whatever reason, you really can't throw them out there and say, "We're playing the kids." The situation would be different if Boston were at the bottom of the standings and clearly in rebuild mode. That is not the case. Add to this, not insignificantly, the old man wants his playoff gate. That's all he cares about.

If the Bruins could afford to do so, they would send Lohrei down with Merkulov. With Forbort out, that's a problem.

As for Lysell, after Mougenel's blunt criticism he's apparently been better in terms of playing a team. That's all to the good, but imho, he is neither ready nor deserving of a call up at this point. He has a lot of work to do, and even then, I'm not certain he is willing or able to commit to that.

I agree that now is not the time to chase a 1C, as the Bruins simply don't have the assets to add one in season. That's best left to the summer, as you suggest.

In the meantime, if Sweeney wants to improve his club's playoff odds, he can bolster a lineup badly in need of size and physicality without giving up the farm.

Two bangers; one on D, one up front.

Eminently "doable." Even Sweeney must realize the need.

We'll see,


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Hookslide said:
I have said many times before that first line was beaten down all season, because Sweeney did not do his job and get them some help, and come the playoffs they were ripe for the taking and the Blues were fortunate enough to be the team to do it. The Blues fans should be grateful to the other teams in the league for they were contributors to their success and they should have put Sweeney on their XMAS card list, he failed miserable that season.
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Sweeney failed miserably the year his team went to Game 7 of the finals, at home. That's a good one.

Sweeney acquired Charlie Coyle and Marcus Johansson for the 2019 playoffs. Johansson had 11 points in 22 games and Coyle had 16 points in 22 games. Also tied for the most goals on the Bruins with 9 and his +8 was the best for forwards. That would seem to qualify as help.
 
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GordonHowe said:
As for Lysell, after Mougenel's blunt criticism he's apparently been better in terms of playing a team. That's all to the good, but imho, he is neither ready nor deserving of a call up at this point. He has a lot of work to do, and even then, I'm not certain he is willing or able to commit to that.
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What makes you think he's unwilling or not committed to put the work in?
 
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Dennis Bonvie said:
Sweeney failed miserably the year his team went to Game 7 of the finals, at home. That's a good one.

Sweeney acquired Charlie Coyle and Marcus Johansson for the 2019 playoffs. Johansson had 11 points in 22 games and Coyle had 16 points in 22 games. Also tied for the most goals on the Bruins with 9 and his +8 was the best for forwards. That would seem to qualify as help.
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You did not read what I posted, to many teams took liberties with the first line all year, come the playoffs they were worn down, I do not think that defense was a plus for them either , maybe you should give the players more credit for what they accomplished , with that lineup.

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What makes you think he's unwilling or not committed to put the work in?
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He should have already been committed and maybe the work ethic should have been in place before he was called out.
 
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Hookslide said:
You did not read what I posted, to many teams took liberties with the first line all year, come the playoffs they were worn down, I do not think that defense was a plus for them either , maybe you should give the players more credit for what they accomplished , with that lineup.


He should have already been committed and maybe the work ethic should have been in place before he was called out.
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There's nothing about Mogenel's call out that referenced work ethic, at least from what I saw. He said that Lysell needs to stop trying to do too much on his own, like trying to beat 4 defenders at once instead of making a smarter play like waiting for teammates to arrive.
 
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Hookslide said:
You did not read what I posted, to many teams took liberties with the first line all year, come the playoffs they were worn down, I do not think that defense was a plus for them either , maybe you should give the players more credit for what they accomplished , with that lineup.


He should have already been committed and maybe the work ethic should have been in place before he was called out.
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I most certainly did.

I quote:

"I have said many times before that first line was beaten down all season, because Sweeney did not do his job and get them some help, and come the playoffs they were ripe for the taking and the Blues were fortunate enough to be the team to do it. The Blues fans should be grateful to the other teams in the league for they were contributors to their success and they should have put Sweeney on their XMAS card list, he failed miserable that season."

Sweenry did get help in Coyle and Johansson, as I stated. Saying a GM failed miserably in the season the team went to Game 7 of the finals is just not right.
 
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