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It’s up to Bruins management to make a strong move to improve roster before NHL trade deadline​

Story by Kevin Paul Dupont • 1h

Despite their lofty NHL standing, too often the Bruins have been pushed around by opposing teams this season.


Despite their lofty NHL standing, too often the Bruins have been pushed around by opposing teams this season.© John Tlumacki/Globe Staff

An interesting season turned curious for the Bruins the last few days. That’s not good. Not at this time of the season.
Curiosity means there are questions, as there should be after two shapeless, feckless losses to the Flames and Capitals, and a frustrated Jim Montgomery openly admitted not having answers as his first comment following Saturday’s humbling 3-0 loss to Washington at TD Garden.

“It’s not acceptable,” mused the coach, after his squad was blanked for the first time in the last 100 games, “and we’re not going to accept it.”

We’ll see about that, starting with Monday’s workout in Brighton.

For reasons made incessantly here for nearly 20 years now, the straitjacket that is the salary-cap system (founded 2005) makes it difficult for NHL teams to change their roster, clubs often not able even to promote a minor leaguer whose presence might clear the kind of brain fog that now permeates the Black-and-Gold varsity lineup.

Though quite successful most of this season, and still sitting No. 2 in league standings, the Bruins from the start have been short on gritty, physical play. That’s OK most nights in the endless 82-game season. It’s almost never OK in the playoffs.

It’s particularly painful for a club in a game such as Saturday’s when the Bruins couldn’t summon a check, a hit, anything to drag them emotionally into the fray. There is no tug of war when one team won’t wrap hands around the rope.

Montgomery, the man without answers Saturday, once again noted the lack of physicality in his club’s composition. The Capitals, eager to get into the playoff hunt, arrived on Causeway Street with requisite moxie. The Bruins arrived with no fizz whatsoever.

It took the locals nearly 12 minutes to produce their first shot on net, and they finished with a season-low 18. At that rate, a shot every three-plus minutes, a fan in the crowd with good legs could have dashed to the restroom, hit the concession stands, and returned to the seats without missing anything. That might be a great way to boost Delaware North’s food-and-beverage revenue, but it’s no way to gain points in the standings.

“They were physical, they were right on top of us,” offered Montgomery. “When we’ve struggled this year against teams, teams have tended to be physical, play a hard man-on-man everywhere. Winnipeg did it to us. Minnesota did it to us. You know, Calgary did it to us.”

Milan Lucic was added over the summer, part of GM Don Sweeney’s $1 million-per-player supermarket sweep in free agency. Looch was brought on to be that emotional trigger guy, possibly with a side of brute force, if situations merited.

Lucic remains out of service and is due in court Friday, a day that could bring him another step closer to a jury trial, stemming from an alleged altercation Nov. 18 with wife, Brittany. There’s still time, if cleared of all his legal entanglements and whatever else led him to enter the NHL Players’ Assistance Program, for Lucic to make it back to roster. As of today, it’s highly unlikely and not something Sweeney and team president Cam Neely can count on as the March 8 trade deadline approaches.

Here’s what they know today: They’ve designed a club that generally can score enough to win, backed by excellent goaltending. Lots of teams don’t have that.

But it’s not a team that engenders confidence that it has the strength, will, temerity to push back on clubs that arrive at the rink ready to muscle down along the boards, scrap after pucks as if they are willing “to break your leg,” to use Montgomery’s term from Saturday’s postgame news conference.

Playoff hockey, at its core, is a very nasty business. It’s why many of us still love it.
Its inherent sweet menace, with accompanying (though diminishing) threat of mayhem, is what keeps us from running to the fridge when the puck’s in play in April, May, and June.

With 25 shopping days remaining on the deadline calendar, Sweeney, Neely, & Co have to be looking to add steel to their team’s spine. It’s not there now, especially among the blue liners, who also haven’t done much on offense of late (a collective 0-0–0 in the three games since the All-Star break).

A couple of possible acquisition targets back there: 1. Anaheim’s Ilya Lyubushkin; 2. Calgary’s Chris Tanev. Both would up the snarl factor.

Lyubushkin, 29, is a seven-year vet on an expiring, cheap deal ($2.75 million). Not a huge difference maker, but a guy with more edge and willingness than the current six pack.

Tanev, 6 feet 2 inches and 195 pounds, has been rumored on the Flames “move list all season. Age 34, he is a difference maker. The Flames, who don’t want to be left with zero assets when he exits via UFA, will bid up the market. He would be the prime get, albeit with his pay ($4.5 million AAV) a more difficult fit.

Meanwhile, the Bruins also have drifted back of late on special teams. Following the loss to the Capitals, their power play ranked No. 8 (24.8 percent) and their penalty kill No. 7 (82.1 percent). Solid, though not inspiring, numbers.
Brad Marchand and Charlie Coyle play leading roles on both units. It would be prudent for Montgomery to back them off their PK duty, lower their mileage, keep them fresher for the PP. If he feels as if he doesn’t have those legs available on this roster, or in Providence (John Beecher?), then that will have to be another target for Sweeney and Neely.

What we are seeing of late is not a big surprise.
We knew they lost back end smack when Connor Clifton dashed out of town for Buffalo bucks last July. Up front, we knew scoring in general, and the PP and PK in particular, would be in for some challenges in the wake of Patrice Bergeron and David Krejci retiring.

Late in a long season, the shortcomings have made themselves evident. Beginning Monday, Montgomery gets back to seeing if he can refit the parts, following a couple of losses in which he had too many square pegs for round holes.

The real answers, the ones the coach didn’t have Saturday, now are for management to provide.
 

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Well, isn’t Gryz making an unbelievable $4 million per? Isn’t Lindholm making an obscene $8.5 mil? The problem is there’s only one GM dumb enough to pay that much to those two and, unfortunately, he’s ours.
It’s going to take a young guy and a guy like Fred to get a deal done. I would move Lindholm, Gryz, Carlo and Debrusk like yesterday.
Obviously, we’re not going to deal all three overpaid D. - Gryz and Debrusk to Minn. for Middleton and Duhaime would be my move. Who wants to jump in line to shoot it down first? :laugh:
Lindholm making 8.5 is obscene, the problem is he doesn't, make that much.
 

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I don't think its a change in philosophy.

When the early exuberance wears off, the kids start to slow down, more mistake prone.

Beecher (-6) still worst on the team. Lohrei (-4). Poitras (+4) but was fading and got hurt.

A lot of fans (me included) see kids have a hot start to the season and get stoked, but a full 82 game regular season is exhausting especially when (in Poitras' situation) you're 19 getting crushed every game by nhl-level defensemen. Even little things like getting emasculated on the faceoffs each night has to be mentally draining.

Baptism by fire may work with your Bedards and Fantillis, but I feel like breaking them in slowly is the ideal way to go. It's why Monty had Poitras sitting on back-to-back games.
 

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Feels like after Lysell plays a couple games up in Boston he will stop being included in trade proposals. He has always been the highest ceiling Bruins prospect to outside observers and all reports point to him figuring it out these last few months.
Yeah. He'll definitely bring the grit, toughness and leadership they need. I'm fine if they keep or move Lysell, I don't see him helping this year. If they can add a Kunin or Middleton and he is the key piece from the Bruins side I am fine with that as well.
 
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It’s up to Bruins management to make a strong move to improve roster before NHL trade deadline​

Story by Kevin Paul Dupont • 1h

Despite their lofty NHL standing, too often the Bruins have been pushed around by opposing teams this season.


Despite their lofty NHL standing, too often the Bruins have been pushed around by opposing teams this season.© John Tlumacki/Globe Staff

An interesting season turned curious for the Bruins the last few days. That’s not good. Not at this time of the season.
Curiosity means there are questions, as there should be after two shapeless, feckless losses to the Flames and Capitals, and a frustrated Jim Montgomery openly admitted not having answers as his first comment following Saturday’s humbling 3-0 loss to Washington at TD Garden.

“It’s not acceptable,” mused the coach, after his squad was blanked for the first time in the last 100 games, “and we’re not going to accept it.”

We’ll see about that, starting with Monday’s workout in Brighton.

For reasons made incessantly here for nearly 20 years now, the straitjacket that is the salary-cap system (founded 2005) makes it difficult for NHL teams to change their roster, clubs often not able even to promote a minor leaguer whose presence might clear the kind of brain fog that now permeates the Black-and-Gold varsity lineup.

Though quite successful most of this season, and still sitting No. 2 in league standings, the Bruins from the start have been short on gritty, physical play. That’s OK most nights in the endless 82-game season. It’s almost never OK in the playoffs.

It’s particularly painful for a club in a game such as Saturday’s when the Bruins couldn’t summon a check, a hit, anything to drag them emotionally into the fray. There is no tug of war when one team won’t wrap hands around the rope.

Montgomery, the man without answers Saturday, once again noted the lack of physicality in his club’s composition. The Capitals, eager to get into the playoff hunt, arrived on Causeway Street with requisite moxie. The Bruins arrived with no fizz whatsoever.

It took the locals nearly 12 minutes to produce their first shot on net, and they finished with a season-low 18. At that rate, a shot every three-plus minutes, a fan in the crowd with good legs could have dashed to the restroom, hit the concession stands, and returned to the seats without missing anything. That might be a great way to boost Delaware North’s food-and-beverage revenue, but it’s no way to gain points in the standings.

“They were physical, they were right on top of us,” offered Montgomery. “When we’ve struggled this year against teams, teams have tended to be physical, play a hard man-on-man everywhere. Winnipeg did it to us. Minnesota did it to us. You know, Calgary did it to us.”

Milan Lucic was added over the summer, part of GM Don Sweeney’s $1 million-per-player supermarket sweep in free agency. Looch was brought on to be that emotional trigger guy, possibly with a side of brute force, if situations merited.

Lucic remains out of service and is due in court Friday, a day that could bring him another step closer to a jury trial, stemming from an alleged altercation Nov. 18 with wife, Brittany. There’s still time, if cleared of all his legal entanglements and whatever else led him to enter the NHL Players’ Assistance Program, for Lucic to make it back to roster. As of today, it’s highly unlikely and not something Sweeney and team president Cam Neely can count on as the March 8 trade deadline approaches.

Here’s what they know today: They’ve designed a club that generally can score enough to win, backed by excellent goaltending. Lots of teams don’t have that.

But it’s not a team that engenders confidence that it has the strength, will, temerity to push back on clubs that arrive at the rink ready to muscle down along the boards, scrap after pucks as if they are willing “to break your leg,” to use Montgomery’s term from Saturday’s postgame news conference.

Playoff hockey, at its core, is a very nasty business. It’s why many of us still love it.
Its inherent sweet menace, with accompanying (though diminishing) threat of mayhem, is what keeps us from running to the fridge when the puck’s in play in April, May, and June.

With 25 shopping days remaining on the deadline calendar, Sweeney, Neely, & Co have to be looking to add steel to their team’s spine. It’s not there now, especially among the blue liners, who also haven’t done much on offense of late (a collective 0-0–0 in the three games since the All-Star break).

A couple of possible acquisition targets back there: 1. Anaheim’s Ilya Lyubushkin; 2. Calgary’s Chris Tanev. Both would up the snarl factor.

Lyubushkin, 29, is a seven-year vet on an expiring, cheap deal ($2.75 million). Not a huge difference maker, but a guy with more edge and willingness than the current six pack.

Tanev, 6 feet 2 inches and 195 pounds, has been rumored on the Flames “move list all season. Age 34, he is a difference maker. The Flames, who don’t want to be left with zero assets when he exits via UFA, will bid up the market. He would be the prime get, albeit with his pay ($4.5 million AAV) a more difficult fit.

Meanwhile, the Bruins also have drifted back of late on special teams. Following the loss to the Capitals, their power play ranked No. 8 (24.8 percent) and their penalty kill No. 7 (82.1 percent). Solid, though not inspiring, numbers.
Brad Marchand and Charlie Coyle play leading roles on both units. It would be prudent for Montgomery to back them off their PK duty, lower their mileage, keep them fresher for the PP. If he feels as if he doesn’t have those legs available on this roster, or in Providence (John Beecher?), then that will have to be another target for Sweeney and Neely.

What we are seeing of late is not a big surprise.
We knew they lost back end smack when Connor Clifton dashed out of town for Buffalo bucks last July. Up front, we knew scoring in general, and the PP and PK in particular, would be in for some challenges in the wake of Patrice Bergeron and David Krejci retiring.

Late in a long season, the shortcomings have made themselves evident. Beginning Monday, Montgomery gets back to seeing if he can refit the parts, following a couple of losses in which he had too many square pegs for round holes.

The real answers, the ones the coach didn’t have Saturday, now are for management to provide.
This was a pretty good article until it mentioned Lyubushkin. Seriously, you've got to be kidding. He was ditched by Buffalo for Cliffy. That's a downgrade not an upgrade.

Nobody likes to say it, but everybody knows it. Lucic changed everything.
 

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Yeah. He'll definitely bring the grit, toughness and leadership they need. I'm fine if they keep or move Lysell, I don't see him helping this year. If they can add a Kunin or Middleton and he is the key piece from the Bruins side I am fine with that as well.

I mean it’s not an either or. Marchand is 35. They do need skill, too.
 
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I mean it’s not an either or. Marchand is 35. They do need skill, too.
I 100% agree they need more skill at center and overall but they cannot continue to get pushed around with no response. They also need to get tougher mentally and add a couple of pure energy player so games like Calgary and Washington don't happen again.

It's a very flawed team doing better than most expected but complete no show games like Calgary and Washington should not happen, also not defending your best players and youngest player should not be acceptable at any time and it has happened frequently this year.

Adding a Duhaime, Carrick, Lauzon, or similar forward and defenseman should not be an issue cap wise if you dump Grizz who has been awful by any standard this year. Adding a top center or top 6 winger/top 4 D costs to much in return and cap space. If Edmonton wants to send Nugent-Hopkins here for DeBrusk and Grizz I will drive them to Edmonton but I don't think that duo is getting you a top 2 center.
 

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I 100% agree they need more skill at center and overall but they cannot continue to get pushed around with no response. They also need to get tougher mentally and add a couple of pure energy player so games like Calgary and Washington don't happen again.

It's a very flawed team doing better than most expected but complete no show games like Calgary and Washington should not happen, also not defending your best players and youngest player should not be acceptable at any time and it has happened frequently this year.

Adding a Duhaime, Carrick, Lauzon, or similar forward and defenseman should not be an issue cap wise if you dump Grizz who has been awful by any standard this year. Adding a top center or top 6 winger/top 4 D costs to much in return and cap space. If Edmonton wants to send Nugent-Hopkins here for DeBrusk and Grizz I will drive them to Edmonton but I don't think that duo is getting you a top 2 center.
Agree try to get Middleton and Duhaime, offer either Forbort or Grizz as part of that deal, I would include Steen and Beecher. Carrick is another guy they can try to add, should not cost too much to acquire.
 
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I 100% agree they need more skill at center and overall but they cannot continue to get pushed around with no response. They also need to get tougher mentally and add a couple of pure energy player so games like Calgary and Washington don't happen again.

It's a very flawed team doing better than most expected but complete no show games like Calgary and Washington should not happen, also not defending your best players and youngest player should not be acceptable at any time and it has happened frequently this year.

Adding a Duhaime, Carrick, Lauzon, or similar forward and defenseman should not be an issue cap wise if you dump Grizz who has been awful by any standard this year. Adding a top center or top 6 winger/top 4 D costs to much in return and cap space. If Edmonton wants to send Nugent-Hopkins here for DeBrusk and Grizz I will drive them to Edmonton but I don't think that duo is getting you a top 2 center.

No disagreements. I just am loathe to give up a top piece for Middleton and only think the Wild would do it with a top piece involved. Would love Duhaime, would love a nasty guy for the bottom pairing. I mean in an ideal world they could grab a guy like that for the top 9, too.
 
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Not all burgers are the same, not all hits are either. Shawn Thornton logged tons of hits as a Bruin, they had the effect of a mosquito bite. McAvoy on the other hand hits with purpose. Hitting is a skill, not all players “hit” equally
Couldn't agree more. Hitting is indeed a skill and a hit is not a hit is not a hit.

If you asked me who I'd rather be hit by - McAvoy or ST? ST a million times out of a million.

Of course if you asked me who I'd rather fight? Complete opposite answer a million times out of a million.

And I love both players.

It's why it makes me insane when a certain person wants McAvoy to fight.
 

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Dom was bashed from so called fans at least twice (Savard possible trade and Schenn possible deadline trade) that's why they tend to stay away from here.

Its a real shame we can't have nice things. I wish you both (Dom and BCBruin) all the best!
The internet is like the highway. People get cut off on the highway, they go ballistic. Or they leave a merge until the very last minute and then just don't make eye contact as they just relentlessly push in not worrying if their junker dents your car. The perceived isolation allows such anti-social behavior.

Behavior that most people would not have the courage to do in your local supermarket.

Not one of the people who give people like Dom and BCBruin grief would dare do it a a party say what they say from the cocoon of their anonymous user name keyboard . Because they'd immediately be shown to have zero knowledge, contacts, or facts to dispute people who do. The embarrassment would kill them.

But on the webs???????? Different story.

Miss seeing BCBruin and Dom comment around here regularly a great deal. And never one took anything they said might be happening as iron clad guaranteed to happen -- because, well, common sense.

Wish we could have a "I can show some respect to people who know more than me" section around here that they could post in. Only non-assholes allowed to read and ask questions.
 

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Friedman mentioned that Markstrom to the Devils was/is close. Rumored return is Holtz and Vanecek.

I mean if Markstrom gets you Holtz potentially I don't know how the Bruins do not dangle Ullmark to the highest/desperate bidder.
I read this yesterday and thought the same thing. I’d think Ullmark hold more value than Markstrom
 
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I read this yesterday and thought the same thing. I’d think Ullmark hold more value than Markstrom
part of the value in that deal is that Calgary would be taking back Vanecek as a cap dump, he's been terrible this season and is making 3.4mil through next season.
 
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The internet is like the highway. People get cut off on the highway, they go ballistic. Or they leave a merge until the very last minute and then just don't make eye contact as they just relentlessly push in not worrying if their junker dents your car. The perceived isolation allows such anti-social behavior.

Behavior that most people would not have the courage to do in your local supermarket.

Not one of the people who give people like Dom and BCBruin grief would dare do it a a party say what they say from the cocoon of their anonymous user name keyboard . Because they'd immediately be shown to have zero knowledge, contacts, or facts to dispute people who do. The embarrassment would kill them.

But on the webs???????? Different story.

Miss seeing BCBruin and Dom comment around here regularly a great deal. And never one took anything they said might be happening as iron clad guaranteed to happen -- because, well, common sense.

Wish we could have a "I can show some respect to people who know more than me" section around here that they could post in. Only non-assholes allowed to read and ask questions.
IMO the biggest issue here is people who want to debate opinions. Everybody has opinions and has a right to those no matter how outlandish, over the top
or mistake filled their numbers are or their opinion seems to be. Everyone deserves respect but the attack mode that people go to here because they're always right, without respect for other posters takes the fun out of coming on here.
A lot of labelling goes on here by self-appointed experts. Some of the saddest are when people here think that they know more than TRUE insiders and who will attack with vicious sarcasm when it rubs them the wrong way.
 
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To give the poor Don a bone;
When she came there,
The Cupboard was bare,
And so the poor Don had none.

Rumor is that Boston is interested in Okposo and Girgensons from Buffalo. I would like Duclair from the Sharks. He shouldnt be that expensive and is capable to play on the third line.
::Throws up in mouth::
 

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I read this yesterday and thought the same thing. I’d think Ullmark hold more value than Markstrom
Markstrom has 2 more years @6M vs Ullmark @5 for 1. Holtz has some potential and is a former 1st round pick. That cap dump is brutal tho. Everyone is up against the cap so it's not easy to absorb a 5M cap hit. If the Bruins retain on Ullmark maybe they can get a 1st.
 
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