Boston Bruins 2023-24 Roster and Salary Cap Discussion IX

[goldnblack]

Hanafin is 6'3 210, 27 so prime for the position.

Over the last 3 years Hampus has 99 pts. Hanafin 114.

In the last 3 years Hanafin has aprox the same amount of points is Hamilton, Seider, Fowler...

He plays the PP and he plays the PK. He's a 22 min a night guy in that stretch.

I dunno guys, if that's not 8M I don't know what is. What you hope for there is that in the back half of the contract his peers are getting 11M.

Hampus is 30 now. Maybe the play is you move Hampus in 2027-28 when he drops to a M-NTC.

 

[AngryMilkcrates]

Vancouver board is saying Pettersson wants 12-13 million on a contract.

Woof, dont want him here at that price.

 

[goldnblack]

Vancouver board is saying Pettersson wants 12-13 million on a contract.

Woof, dont want him here at that price.

I think Vancouver will have very little choice but to pay

And then maybe we get Elias Lindholm for freeeee July 1

 

[UncleRico]

Hanafin is 6'3 210, 27 so prime for the position.

Over the last 3 years Hampus has 99 pts. Hanafin 114.

In the last 3 years Hanafin has aprox the same amount of points is Hamilton, Seider, Fowler...

He plays the PP and he plays the PK. He's a 22 min a night guy in that stretch.

I dunno guys, if that's not 8M I don't know what is. What you hope for there is that in the back half of the contract his peers are getting 11M.

Hampus is 30 now. Maybe the play is you move Hampus in 2027-28 when he drops to a M-NTC.

If they give hanifin $8m that’s over 40% of the cap (including next years projected increase) to pastrnak, McAvoy, Lindholm and hanafin.

4 players getting 40%. 3 of them on defense.

 

[goldnblack]

If they give hanifin $8m that’s over 40% of the cap (including next years projected increase) to pastrnak, McAvoy, Lindholm and hanafin.

4 players getting 40%. 3 of them on defense.

If that's 40% in 2026 are we as worried? That's about the cap arc? Like I said I also think Hampus can be traded eventually. We saw players waive this year on other teams.

 

[sarge88]

I think you are placing the importance of the refs in game determination way, way too high.

If there is an incorrect call on an actual goal, that would be big. But that doesn't happen anymore. They can watch replay. Bad (from fans view) penalty calls don't determine outcome. They don't change the score of the game. And they are judgement calls, not cut and dry like a goal being scored.

I can't recall the last time I thought the outcome of a Bruins game was directly determined by the refs.

IMO the problem with that theory is this.

We know they miss calling legitimate penalties regularly.

We know they make bad calls or fall for dives/embellishment regularly.

If a team loses by a goal and the refs don’t give them 2 power plays they deserved, there’s no way of telling whether or not they would have scored on those PP’s and won the game.

ya there’s an overemphasis on refs costing the bruins games almost every loss though. But we never see people on this forum saying the refs handed us a win lol.

Wonder why that is

Personally, I no longer feel the refs have it out for the Bruins.

I just think they’re awful at their job and sometimes it hurts the B’s.

Oddly, however, they do seem to miss some big calls in the playoffs that seem to hurt the Bruins though.

 

[Dennis Bonvie]

IMO the problem with that theory is this.

We know they miss calling legitimate penalties regularly.

We know they make bad calls or fall for dives/embellishment regularly.

If a team loses by a goal and the refs don’t give them 2 power plays they deserved, there’s no way of telling whether or not they would have scored on those PP’s and won the game.


Personally, I no longer feel the refs have it out for the Bruins.

I just think they’re awful at their job and sometimes it hurts the B’s.

Oddly, however, they do seem to miss some big calls in the playoffs that seem to hurt the Bruins though.

Exactly, there is no way of telling.

So how can you say the refs cost them the game?

And I really don't think they are awful at their jobs. I think you may be getting a bad impression by listening to Jack Edwards all the time.

 

[sarge88]

Exactly, there is no way of telling.

So how can you say the refs cost them the game?

And I really don't think they are awful at their jobs. I think you may be getting a bad impression by listening to Jack Edwards all the time.

Logic.

Teams score goals on the power play.

A ref misses a call, there’s a much better chance that the team will score in the next 2 minutes if they are on the pp vs. At even strength.

Of course, you can’t say for sure which missed call would result in a goal….but statistically there’s no way around it.

As for the refs overall….I don’t think it’s ever been worse.

Missed calls, over reactive officiating, falling for dives, just very poor quality, IMO.

 

[UncleRico]

Exactly, there is no way of telling.

So how can you say the refs cost them the game?

And I really don't think they are awful at their jobs. I think you may be getting a bad impression by listening to Jack Edwards all the time.

Jack has plagued the minds of so many fans.

If the blues lose that series I bet their fan base would be pointing to certain games that “the refs cost them” just as our fans blame the refs for certain losses.

We see it all the time in the game day threads. I can find dozens of examples over the years of game day threads where fans are blaming the refs for costing the bruins a game.

However we all would have a very difficult time finding a thread where the majority of bruins fan on this forum said “well the bruins don’t win that game if the refs didn’t help them”

 

[wintersej]

I can't think of one thing about the Canucks last night that made me say "Oh that's why they are in first place". Not one. They looked outclassed in every way they could, including uniforms (I loathe the Canucks uni).

They got some great looks in the high slot in the first, just missed the net.

One of those goes in, who knows.

But the wheels came off after the second goal and they were heartless and bad.

 

[sarge88]

Jack has plagued the minds of so many fans.

If the blues lose that series I bet their fan base would be pointing to certain games that “the refs cost them” just as our fans blame the refs for certain losses.

We see it all the time in the game day threads. I can find dozens of examples over the years of game day threads where fans are blaming the refs for costing the bruins a game.

However we all would have a very difficult time finding a thread where the majority of bruins fan on this forum said “well the bruins don’t win that game if the refs didn’t help them”

Here‘s the flaw, IMO.

Over the last 5 years the both Bruins PK and PP have probably been top 5/10 for the majority of that time.

If the refs miss 2 calls against each team, every game of the season, then at the end of the season they will have cost the Bruins more points in the standings that the majority of their opponents because the Bruins are more likely to score on the missed PP’s for them and more likely to kill off the missed PP’s against them.

Now, there’s obviously no way to know what would have happened if a particular missed call was made….but statistically, considering that Bruins PP is clicking at about 25%, every four missed calls against their opponents costs them a goal.

But it takes almost 5 missed calls against the Bruins to cost them a goal against.

Again, I don’t think there is a vendetta against the Bruins, but I do think the officiating is terrible.

 

[wintersej]

Hanafin is looking for 8M.

I guess only the departure of Linus would make sense for us to be in the running for that? Or the departure of Jake I guess.

Kind of crazy that Gryz + Forbort is almost 7M. Another way to think about it. Then it becomes the era of Wotherspoon and Lohrei on the cheap.

Gryz + Forbort for 6.75

Hanifin + Lorhei for 8.925

The cap is going up 4 million.

Bergeron/Krejci coming off the books is another 4 million.

There are obviously other expenses coming like Swayman’s raise, but I don’t think spending an extra 2 million on the D group when 8 million is getting added to their max cap would kill them.

 

[MarchysNoseKnows]

Jack has plagued the minds of so many fans.

If the blues lose that series I bet their fan base would be pointing to certain games that “the refs cost them” just as our fans blame the refs for certain losses.

We see it all the time in the game day threads. I can find dozens of examples over the years of game day threads where fans are blaming the refs for costing the bruins a game.

However we all would have a very difficult time finding a thread where the majority of bruins fan on this forum said “well the bruins don’t win that game if the refs didn’t help them”

You’re describing every game thread for every team in every sport.

 

[bruins19]

If they give hanifin $8m that’s over 40% of the cap (including next years projected increase) to pastrnak, McAvoy, Lindholm and hanafin.

4 players getting 40%. 3 of them on defense.

That’s the Toronto s*** show all over again. The constraints from the financial four are killing that team.

 

[UncleRico]

You’re describing every game thread for every team in every sport.

Jack has plagued the minds of so many fans.

If the blues lose that series I bet their fan base would be pointing to certain games that “the refs cost them” just as our fans blame the refs for certain losses.

We see it all the time in the game day threads. I can find dozens of examples over the years of game day threads where fans are blaming the refs for costing the bruins a game.

However we all would have a very difficult time finding a thread where the majority of bruins fan on this forum said “well the bruins don’t win that game if the refs didn’t help them”

Thanks for being my echo.

 

[Colt.45Orr]

Middleton (fixes missing snarl) for Gryz (flipped) + Lysell etc

Hanifin (extended) for Carlo++ (Mr. Reliable for injury-prone Carlo w concussion history)

Wotherspoon extended 4 years and in top 6

McAvoy
Hanifin
Lindholm
Middleton

Wotherspoon
Forbort
Shatty

Best top 4 in world with that.

 

[Dennis Bonvie]

Logic.

Teams score goals on the power play.

A ref misses a call, there’s a much better chance that the team will score in the next 2 minutes if they are on the pp vs. At even strength.

Of course, you can’t say for sure which missed call would result in a goal….but statistically there’s no way around it.

As for the refs overall….I don’t think it’s ever been worse.

Missed calls, over reactive officiating, falling for dives, just very poor quality, IMO.

We disagree.

No problem.

 

[Oates2Neely]

Middleton (fixes missing snarl) for Gryz (flipped) + Lysell etc

Hanifin (extended) for Carlo++ (Mr. Reliable for injury-prone Carlo w concussion history)

Wotherspoon extended 4 years and in top 6

McAvoy
Hanifin
Lindholm
Middleton

Wotherspoon
Forbort
Shatty

Best top 4 in world with that.

Carlo so underrated here

 

[UncleRico]

If that's 40% in 2026 are we as worried? That's about the cap arc? Like I said I also think Hampus can be traded eventually. We saw players waive this year on other teams.

Praying Hampus Lindholm waives his NMC which would also require another team wanting to take on his contract is not a strategic plan going forward.

If they sign Hanifin, Debrusk and Swayman this offseason, that leaves very little money to fill out the rest of the roster.

Marchand will be gone after next year most likely so they will need to replace him with a top 6 talent on LW and currently need a RW, hopefully lysell will take one of those roles, but still need to fill an important top 6 winger spot.

Signing Hanifin will most likely result in cap casualties in other parts of the roster. On top of trading for him and giving him a contract.

 

[hrdpuk]

Middleton (fixes missing snarl) for Gryz (flipped) + Lysell etc

Hanifin (extended) for Carlo++ (Mr. Reliable for injury-prone Carlo w concussion history)

Wotherspoon extended 4 years and in top 6

McAvoy
Hanifin
Lindholm
Middleton

Wotherspoon
Forbort
Shatty

Best top 4 in world with that.

Carlo injury prone ? relative to who Mac , Lindholm I don't think so. Check the numbers.
Bruins don't want to play against Carlo,big mistake

 

[MarchysNoseKnows]

Middleton (fixes missing snarl) for Gryz (flipped) + Lysell etc

Hanifin (extended) for Carlo++ (Mr. Reliable for injury-prone Carlo w concussion history)

Wotherspoon extended 4 years and in top 6

McAvoy
Hanifin
Lindholm
Middleton

Wotherspoon
Forbort
Shatty

Best top 4 in world with that.

Brandon Carlo is way better than Jacob Middleton.

 

[MarchysNoseKnows]

Praying Hampus Lindholm waives his NMC which would also require another team wanting to take on his contract is not a strategic plan going forward.

If they sign Hanifin, Debrusk and Swayman this offseason, that leaves very little money to fill out the rest of the roster.

Marchand will be gone after next year most likely so they will need to replace him with a top 6 talent on LW and currently need a RW, hopefully lysell will take one of those roles, but still need to fill an important top 6 winger spot.

Signing Hanifin will most likely result in cap casualties in other parts of the roster. On top of trading for him and giving him a contract.

$16M if you trade Ullmark. Lysell is playing in the NHL next year.

Where is the cap issue here?

 

[Mr. Make-Believe]

In line with this thinking, does Wotherspoon eliminate the need for a depth D with how he is playing?

In-house > Acquisition

Not sure.

But I think it makes moving on from Forbort/Grzelcyk easier. If Wotherspoon is your 6/7 guy and maybe Regula gets a call up at some point too.

Many of the Bruins signings this off-season were shits thrown at the wall. We haven't yet seen if guys like Richard or Regula can stick (I'm fairly certain Mitchell won't).

With how I've heard they've contributed in Providence, I'm very curious if it can translate even in a minor way in the NHL.

 

[JoeIsAStud]

Middleton (fixes missing snarl) for Gryz (flipped) + Lysell etc

Hanifin (extended) for Carlo++ (Mr. Reliable for injury-prone Carlo w concussion history)

Wotherspoon extended 4 years and in top 6

McAvoy
Hanifin
Lindholm
Middleton

Wotherspoon
Forbort
Shatty

Best top 4 in world with that.

So you are down to McAvoy and Shatty as the only 2 lefty defensemen on the team.

Assume you are trading Lohrei away as there is no place for him moving forward??

 

[Colt.45Orr]

So you are down to McAvoy and Shatty as the only 2 lefty defensemen on the team.

Assume you are trading Lohrei away as there is no place for him moving forward??

1) As the only two RHs, yes. Wotherspoon can play right side no prob, and I'd trust anyone to make the switch other than Forbort.

2) I'd switch Lohrei for Carlo in deal for Lindholm but for salary issues.

3) I'm not completely enamored with Hanifin at any cost, I just think he's DS's target. I think Middleton is a better fit considering cost/cap/grit.