Prospect Info: 2023-24 prospect information - BUT WHERE ARE THEY GOING TO PLAY?!

Prospect polls starting on 2/3 - what to do with #1?

  • Get the formality over with and give Nikishin #1

    Votes: 11 73.3%
  • Start at the #1 prospect vote and give room for debate at the spot

    Votes: 4 26.7%

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Nikishin Go Boom

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I know you’re already getting a bit of a hard time on this list, but I will say I appreciate you making the effort before I say anything.

What makes you say Koivunen is driving play in Liga? His raw stats? Underlying analytics? Anecdotal? Just curious.

Are NCAA’s generally considered a minor league system? I’ve never heard of that if that’s the case. Is there a precedent for referring to it that way in other sports? I’m pretty clueless in other sports.

I’ll echo our list doesn’t do a ton for me either. The only sure shot to play the level imo is Nikishin and it’s iffy we ever see him. I like that Nadeau is clearly a dangerous offensive player at the levels he’s played at. Robidas is in the echl. Cant take much from that. After Nikishin we have a lot of B to C level prospects and I’m curious to what the scouting community says about anyone I’d call a B. They might not agree. I wouldn’t be surprised if the pro’s would say we have a ton of C’s.

We’ve got volume. Which checks out based on our drafting approach. We don’t have room for them all, and many seem to be player types that may have a rough road with the coach. Yet we don’t make trades with them very often. You’d think that’ll change at some point with the efforts to make bigger trades we’ve been involved in.

I’ve been high on Pono as a bottom six for awhile, I’m still there. Same with Rees. Robidas and Blake have similar expectations though if we have all four of them that would be a very small bottom six.
im not worried. I have more fun paying attention to the prospects than the game. so im usually kinder on the prospect ratings.

I havent spent much time digging into the metrics in non NHL leagues. I watch clips of the game and such. Koivunen wants the puck on his stick and he makes things happen. he isnt just a guy that floats to an area and waits for passes. He has a pretty good shot too. I am grading him on a curve as he is only 20 in a men's league.

NCAA has gotten better over the last 2 decades but I would consider it lower than the AHL and such a minor league. But i was rating more doing well vs top competition then those that are doing well in leagues that may not have the top competition.

Koivunen's knock will be his size. if he could add just a little bit of speed (he is a smooth skater by my eye) he could have a real chance at being a player in the league. his shot is good, he can handle the puck in tight with speed, etc.

Forsmark and Nystrom arent going to wow anyone with certain qualities. Their games are kind of like Forsling's. Nothing spectacular but he is a gamer and can play a solid all around game. They could make it, they could not. They are doing well for 20-21 year olds in a good league. Nystrom's biggest knock at the draft was his size at 5'10. he has grown 4 inches since then too.
 

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im not worried. I have more fun paying attention to the prospects than the game. so im usually kinder on the prospect ratings.

I havent spent much time digging into the metrics in non NHL leagues. I watch clips of the game and such. Koivunen wants the puck on his stick and he makes things happen. he isnt just a guy that floats to an area and waits for passes. He has a pretty good shot too. I am grading him on a curve as he is only 20 in a men's league.

NCAA has gotten better over the last 2 decades but I would consider it lower than the AHL and such a minor league. But i was rating more doing well vs top competition then those that are doing well in leagues that may not have the top competition.

Koivunen's knock will be his size. if he could add just a little bit of speed (he is a smooth skater by my eye) he could have a real chance at being a player in the league. his shot is good, he can handle the puck in tight with speed, etc.

Forsmark and Nystrom arent going to wow anyone with certain qualities. Their games are kind of like Forsling's. Nothing spectacular but he is a gamer and can play a solid all around game. They could make it, they could not. They are doing well for 20-21 year olds in a good league. Nystrom's biggest knock at the draft was his size at 5'10. he has grown 4 inches since then too.
appreciate you keeping us informed.
 

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YTD AHL stats for our guys who are playing on a bad and decent team:

Wolves: yikes at standings and Pono +/-:
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Springfield:
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AhosDatsyukian

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Rees’ contract is up after this season and I’m sure he’d love to be with any other franchise at this point. Feel bad for the guy. This was supposed to be a big year for him where he could potentially get a look in the nhl and he’s having the worst season imaginable.
Even if they are stuck on the 4th line in Springfield, him and Suzuki's lack of production is really their own doing and the biggest factor in their situation this year. The team doesn't have an ideal situation without an affiliate but these guys gotta produce wherever they are and they just aren't right now. That's on them.
 

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Even if they are stuck on the 4th line in Springfield, him and Suzuki's lack of production is really their own doing and the biggest factor in their situation this year. The team doesn't have an ideal situation without an affiliate but these guys gotta produce wherever they are and they just aren't right now. That's on them.
I don’t agree. Of course you have to make the most of your situation but they’re supposed to be featured players in the development system at this point. If they hit a rough patch it shouldn’t be the end of the year any more than it is for anyone on the big team. If these two are buried on the fourth line for the season this is absolutely fall out/damage from our affiliate situation. Pretty much all of them should have a get out of jail card this year. Of course you’d reward guys who “rise above” it somehow but putting the blame on those who don’t doesn’t feel right this season.

These two should both be top six players in the AHL this year with some latitude in their development curve. They should be able to play through the ups and downs in those roles.
 

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Even if they are stuck on the 4th line in Springfield, him and Suzuki's lack of production is really their own doing and the biggest factor in their situation this year. The team doesn't have an ideal situation without an affiliate but these guys gotta produce wherever they are and they just aren't right now. That's on them.
Disagree. You can’t make this blanket statement for just any shitty situation and say the guys should rise about it and produce.
 

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I don’t agree. Of course you have to make the most of your situation but they’re supposed to be featured players in the development system at this point. If they hit a rough patch it shouldn’t be the end of the year any more than it is for anyone on the big team. If these two are buried on the fourth line for the season this is absolutely fall out/damage from our affiliate situation. Pretty much all of them should have a get out of jail card this year. Of course you’d reward guys who “rise above” it somehow but putting the blame on those who don’t doesn’t feel right this season.

These two should both be top six players in the AHL this year with some latitude in their development curve. They should be able to play through the ups and downs in those roles.

Disagree. You can’t make this blanket statement for just any shitty situation and say the guys should rise about it and produce.
They have to earn their opportunities, that would be the case even if we had our own affiliate. Yes it's unfortunate they are also competing with another team's prospects but even if it was just all our prospects on one AHL team they'd have to earn it over our other "lesser" prospects. Yes the situation sucks for their development, but that's really no excuse for their lack of production. And we don't even know that they are on the 4th line...
 

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I don’t agree. Of course you have to make the most of your situation but they’re supposed to be featured players in the development system at this point. If they hit a rough patch it shouldn’t be the end of the year any more than it is for anyone on the big team. If these two are buried on the fourth line for the season this is absolutely fall out/damage from our affiliate situation. Pretty much all of them should have a get out of jail card this year. Of course you’d reward guys who “rise above” it somehow but putting the blame on those who don’t doesn’t feel right this season.

These two should both be top six players in the AHL this year with some latitude in their development curve. They should be able to play through the ups and downs in those roles.
Good points + I'd add that for a young player losing a year in our failed minor league system is costly financially as it extends out their ability to earn at the NHL level (and on the back end shortens their NHL earn out).

I hope Morrow signs his ELC with us but I wouldn't blame him to hold off if the opportunity is only ECHL or buried on an AHL team
 

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Good points + I'd add that for a young player losing a year in our failed minor league system is costly financially as it extends out their ability to earn at the NHL level (and on the back end shortens their NHL earn out).

I hope Morrow signs his ELC with us but I wouldn't blame him to hold off if the opportunity is only ECHL or buried on an AHL team
Certainly won’t help with our negotiations with him.

We really need to get our ahl situation sorted out clearly asap.
 

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I'm sure if the guys in these bad situations that are not producing are still playing well, it's being noticed by our people. It is concerning, even if they have a limited role, to have virtually (or literally) no production. Even fourth liners get the odd points here and there. But who knows, it's not like we're informed enough on what these guys are doing game to game. I do hope we get a single affiliate again so it's easier to watch the occasional game and catch all our AHL prospects.
 

AhosDatsyukian

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It would not shock me if Morrow comes straight to the show, only Burns is currently signed as RD if I’m not mistaken.
Yes only Burns and he just has 1 more year, plus hasn't really shown this year that we can be super confident in him being 1st pair next year, and with his age the possibility of further decline is higher. Pesce, TDA and Chat all UFA. No other RHD prospects really anywhere near NHL ready. Long story short, a ton of opportunity for Morrow as soon as next year.

That could change a bit if we bring back any of the FAs, and worth noting we do have a potential backlog of LHD which could result in more competition on the right side with one of those guys playing off hand. Skjei is a UFA but even if he walks we have Slavin, Orlov and Nikishin coming in soon, none of whom should really be on a 3rd pair, though obviously we do have Orlov on the 3rd pair this year but that's a luxury because we have Pesce still. Possible we could let both Orlov and Skjei walk but I also think it's possible we keep 1 past his current deal and somebody winds up playing on their off hand at some point.

My prediction is we keep Chatfield add a 1 year stop gap 3rd pair LHD and roll with this next year:
Slavin-Burns
Orlov-Chatfield
x-Morrow

Maybe bring back TDA as 7 D again for really cheap. Also I think the team would absolutely love to keep Skjei so I could see him staying but more likely he prices himself out of here. Not ruling out Pesce either but based on his play this year I don't see us giving him the long term deal he reportedly wants.
 
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What do we mean when we say Skjei is gonna price himself out here?

I don't think anyone's gonna pay something starting with a 7 for him. I could always be wrong, or maybe they do on an Orlov deal (though I think Orlov had more cap-commanding power as a name than Skjei will this offseason).

I'd do 5x$6-6.5m. Not as concerned with age as I would be with others. He seems like a well conditioned athlete who doesn't break down.

Are we collectively thinking that's a number that won't get it done?
 

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What do we mean when we say Skjei is gonna price himself out here?

I don't think anyone's gonna pay something starting with a 7 for him. I could always be wrong, or maybe they do on an Orlov deal (though I think Orlov had more cap-commanding power as a name than Skjei will this offseason).

I'd do 5x$6-6.5m. Not as concerned with age as I would be with others. He seems like a well conditioned athlete who doesn't break down.

Are we collectively thinking that's a number that won't get it done?
I think he gets 7+ per year on the open market over 6 or 7 years. After taking a bit of time to settle in here, the last 3 seasons he has been well above average defensively (this year and last he has easily surpassed Pesce as our 2nd best defender) and is 12th in the league in EVP by defensemen, 3rd in EVG. He will be very highly sought after.

I love Skjei's game and would love to keep him but I don't see him accepting 6-6.5/yr or 5 years and while I think he's worth that amount in a bubble, complicating things is having Slavin and Orlov/bridge to Nikishin locked into top 4 LHD slots going forward.

Hope I'm wrong but that's how I see things
 

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Anyone have a list of all of our prospects in the WJC? I can't think of any other than FUS off the top of my head but I can't imagine he's the only one? Although we do have a ton of Russians and they're not allowed so maybe it is just FUS...
 
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