Prospect Info: 2023-24 Prospect Info (CHL, NCAA, Europe)

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Cousin Eddie

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How concrete are Russian contracts? Can the Avs sign Kovalenko when his season ends and have him join us for some playoff depth like Radulov did in Nashville a few years back? Or does Kovalenko basically belong to Russia until his contract ends?
 

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How concrete are Russian contracts? Can the Avs sign Kovalenko when his season ends and have him join us for some playoff depth like Radulov did in Nashville a few years back? Or does Kovalenko basically belong to Russia until his contract ends?
They aren’t concrete in that they can’t be broken…. But he’d have to buyout the remaining year on his contract prior to signing with the Avs. Given his status in the KHL, his dad, and the tensions… I’d be shocked if he can get out of the deal this year. I’d be mildly shocked if he doesn’t sign an extension in the summer.
 

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Didn't he at one point express interest in coming over to play in the NHL once he felt he was ready? Well I mean he's near-PPG in the KHL and 23 already, so...better be sooner than later if he hopes to carve out a few NHL contracts.
 

henchman21

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Didn't he at one point express interest in coming over to play in the NHL once he felt he was ready? Well I mean he's near-PPG in the KHL and 23 already, so...better be sooner than later if he hopes to carve out a few NHL contracts.
Like most Russians, he has zero desire to play in the AHL. Avs didn’t give that guarantee (they really don’t for most any player… see Aman this summer), so he didn’t sign. Will be the same song and dance next go round if he doesn’t sign an extension. The it is big there. His dad’s status and his play this year would make it ripe for Nikolai to get a hearty raise in exchange for staying another couple years.
 

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Like most Russians, he has zero desire to play in the AHL. Avs didn’t give that guarantee (they really don’t for most any player… see Aman this summer), so he didn’t sign. Will be the same song and dance next go round if he doesn’t sign an extension. The it is big there. His dad’s status and his play this year would make it ripe for Nikolai to get a hearty raise in exchange for staying another couple years.
I think it also depends on if he will be offered some out clause, so he could leave like if he is in the AHL by November of that season. That was the issue with Zhuravlyov - he didn't have it and things ended not in the greatest way.
 
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Taking the development system out of it, the greatest problem I see from the amateur scouts is that they refuse to take anyone with a top 100 pick and leave them in Europe. Teams constantly get players out of the second and third rounds from Sweden and Finland and the Avs flat out refuse to go there. Instead they think they have some sort of special evaluation of USHL and high school players and it’s not working out for them.
 

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I think it also depends on if he will be offered some out clause, so he could leave like if he is in the AHL by November of that season. That was the issue with Zhuravlyov - he didn't have it and things ended not in the greatest way.
The Avs haven’t been willing to include that for really any European prospect (I think Rants had one). They really prefer to sign the players and count on them for the year in NA. Makes building the Eagles much easier for the front office and they can move players up and down. I don’t agree with that practice, but it is one they tend to stick to. It could change (Avs have shown they can make changes), but I don’t see it for Kovolenko.
 

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Taking the development system out of it, the greatest problem I see from the amateur scouts is that they refuse to take anyone with a top 100 pick and leave them in Europe. Teams constantly get players out of the second and third rounds from Sweden and Finland and the Avs flat out refuse to go there. Instead they think they have some sort of special evaluation of USHL and high school players and it’s not working out for them.
So take development out, but the fault is development?

The ‘special’ evaluation of the USHL is pretty simple… statistically the USHL gets more value above expected than any other league in the 3rd+ rounds. They are taking a statistical shot IMO.

They basically promised a Ben Meyers an unearned job, they can do it for Kovalenko
They gave him a game… then this year he’s been in the minors. That isn’t a promise…
 
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What’s the real story with why Zhuravlyov left?
I'm not sure what exactly happened while he was with the Eagles, but he clearly didn't like it there (I guess having a bad English and having a baby born recently could add some stress), so apparently he asked for the loan back to the KHL, but was denied. He didn't have that clause in the contract, therefore he couldn't force it, so he just left voluntarily and was suspended by the Avalanche. I guess his agent at that time didn't support that decision, so then he changed his agent to Dan Milstein and Milstein was able to settle things to terminate the contract before the KHL deadline, so Zhuravlyov could sign and play there.
 

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I'm not sure what exactly happened while he was with the Eagles, but he clearly didn't like it there (I guess having a bad English and having a baby born recently could add some stress), so apparently he asked for the loan back to the KHL, but was denied. He didn't have that clause in the contract, therefore he couldn't force it, so he just left voluntarily and was suspended by the Avalanche. I guess his agent at that time didn't support that decision, so then he changed his agent to Dan Milstein and Milstein was able to settle things to terminate the contract before the KHL deadline, so Zhuravlyov could sign and play there.
Thank you for sharing these insights.
 
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They aren’t concrete in that they can’t be broken…. But he’d have to buyout the remaining year on his contract prior to signing with the Avs. Given his status in the KHL, his dad, and the tensions… I’d be shocked if he can get out of the deal this year. I’d be mildly shocked if he doesn’t sign an extension in the summer.
This borderlines on political but didn’t Russia “close” the border for people to leave?
 

henchman21

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This borderlines on political but didn’t Russia “close” the border for people to leave?
No... there are plenty of people that have left Russia over the past few months. Just look at the Russians who in in their first year in NA.
 

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No... there are plenty of people that have left Russia over the past few months. Just look at the Russians who in in their first year in NA.
I think he is referring to the recent news that since January 9th Russia would be closing the borders for males of a certain age, unsurprisingly those news resulted to be fake (unfortunately it is a usual thing in the times like these),
 

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I went to a couple of days of training camp and even how good Zhuravlyov was for KHL, he didn't deserve an NHL spot. He was very green and looked to struggle on the smaller ice with less space or time. I don't think he was entirely useless, he had some talent to become a Grzelcyk type of player, but I don't think he would have the time or effort to eventually get to that level.
They basically promised a Ben Meyers an unearned job, they can do it for Kovalenko
I don't disagree, but the top NCAA free agents tend to get spots/playing time promises much more than players from other leagues and one of the main stipulations of attracting them in the first place.
 

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I went to a couple of days of training camp and even how good Zhuravlyov was for KHL, he didn't deserve an NHL spot. He was very green and looked to struggle on the smaller ice with less space or time. I don't think he was entirely useless, he had some talent to become a Grzelcyk type of player, but I don't think he would have the time or effort to eventually get to that level.

I don't disagree, but the top NCAA free agents tend to get spots/playing time promises much more than players from other leagues and one of the main stipulations of attracting them in the first place.
With Zhuravlyov it should be noted that he wasn't that good in the KHL and in the summer he actually told that he understands that he should play in the AHL for the time being. But I guess even in terms of the AHL the 'expectations vs. reality' thing kicked in again, also I think it was noted that his English is bad even for a Russian hockey player - not easy to be comfortable when you don't understand much of what the coach is saying.
 
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Anyone care to go out on a limb and give me Behren's NHL ceiling and floor? Or his most likely NHL comp?

They basically promised a Ben Meyers an unearned job, they can do it for Kovalenko
But they also didn't keep him in the NHL too long when it became apparent he needed work. Would Kovalenko agree to moving down to the AHL in order to hone his NA game if necessary?

[edit...the reason I ask, is that I can very easily see an NHL player in him. I just worry that he might get discouraged because of the transition to the NA game. But I suppose his father has talked to him plenty about that.]
 
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Anyone care to go out on a limb and give me Behren's NHL ceiling and floor? Or his most likely NHL comp?


But they also didn't keep him in the NHL too long when it became apparent he needed work. Would Kovalenko agree to moving down to the AHL in order to hone his NA game if necessary?
I know other posters here love him, but Behrens has never wowed me like someone like Lane Hutson who is a decently similar prospect has. He's smart and a good puck mover, but I don't see a high end prospect personally. As an NHL projection, I see a third pairing puck mover or someone who needs a really steady and ideally much bigger partner if he's on your 2nd pairing. Comp - maybe Matt Grzelcyk is the best I can think of.

Other posters may give you more rave reviews.
 
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I know other posters here love him, but Behrens has never wowed me like someone like Lane Hutson who is a decently similar prospect has. He's smart and a good puck mover, but I don't see a high end prospect personally. As an NHL projection, I see a third pairing puck mover or someone who needs a really steady and ideally much bigger partner if he's on your 2nd pairing. Comp - maybe Matt Grzelcyk is the best I can think of.

Other posters may give you more rave reviews.
So, for instance, in your view if we moved Girard for forward help or futures to open cap space, would he be perfectly capable of nailing down that #5 spot who can play up on the second pair as long as Manson's the other guy?
 
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