Prospect Info: 2023-24 Prospect Info (CHL, NCAA, Europe)

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Avaholic29

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can tell the way gulyayev is playing and being allowed to play like is beneficial in terms of developing as an offensive dman. They usually shelter 18 year olds and they don’t get to show their talents, gulyayev is jumping up in plays and playing his game. Still think he’s going to be an absolute steal of a pick. 3 years is nothing, he shouldn’t be ready until then regardless of which country he’s in.
 
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Can’t really see much positive in the Gulyayev news from an Avs perspective.

Not only does it delay his path to the NHL, it also hurts his trade value. He’s really only valuable to the absolute worst of the worst teams in the NHL that plan to be bad for several years.

I guess you just let him develop and play the long game and hope he turns into something special.
 

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Can’t really see much positive in the Gulyayev news from an Avs perspective.

Not only does it delay his path to the NHL, it also hurts his trade value. He’s really only valuable to the absolute worst of the worst teams in the NHL that plan to be bad for several years.

I guess you just let him develop and play the long game and hope he turns into something special.
This is what I was thinking , maybe he can still be traded to a rebuilding team at the deadline or something.
 

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I'm sure he does.... but here's the list of Russian defensemen who have scored 40+ points since the lost lockout season who didn't spend at least a year in a developmental league in NA:

Andrei Markov
Sergei Zubov

That's the list. Both guys who were a product of a different flair and time of Russian hockey. A few get added at 30 points (Tyutin, Gavrikov, Nikitin, Zaitsev).
I would also suggest that part of the reason you don't see many offensive defensemen coming out of Russia these days extends down to the pee wee level. If a kid shows a high level of skill at a young age, they're likely to be funneled towards playing a more offensive role early in their development, because KHL systems are less focused on skill from the back end. In North America, a Cale Makar or Adam Fox type of kid would be more encouraged to try playing defense, because North American hockey values offensive defensemen a lot more. I think it's a philosophical divergence as much as a developmental one.
 
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can tell the way gulyayev is playing and being allowed to play like is beneficial in terms of developing as an offensive dman. They usually shelter 18 year olds and they don’t get to show their talents, gulyayev is jumping up in plays and playing his game. Still think he’s going to be an absolute steal of a pick. 3 years is nothing, he shouldn’t be ready until then regardless of which country he’s in.
Tell me you don't watch the games without telling me you don't watch the games. ;)

I would also suggest that part of the reason you don't see many offensive defensemen coming out of Russia these days extends down to the pee wee level. If a kid shows a high level of skill at a young age, they're likely to be funneled towards playing a more offensive role early in their development, because KHL systems are less focused on skill from the back end. In North America, a Cale Makar or Adam Fox type of kid would be more encouraged to try playing defense, because North American hockey values offensive defensemen a lot more. I think it's a philosophical divergence as much as a developmental one.
There are probably a lot of reasons why... in the end, not sure the why matters on an individual level. Results matter.

I mean, didnt Gulyayev and the Avs look at how Kovalenko developed and say ok, lets do it this way?
That would be jumping the gun considering Kovalenko has a lot to prove still.
 
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Tell me you don't watch the games without telling me you don't watch the games. ;)


There are probably a lot of reasons why... in the end, not sure the why matters on an individual level. Results matter.


That would be jumping the gun considering Kovalenko has a lot to prove still.

Lol I have been watching the games, I know you think your opinion is the end all be all and it shows in your posts, but can you tell me what happened on his last goal?
 

henchman21

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Lol I have been watching the games, I know you think your opinion is the end all be all and it shows in your posts, but can you tell me what happened on his last goal?
My opinion is certainly not the end all be all, far from it. If you're watching games, you should see that he's playing pretty conservatively and jumping in the play at a fairly low rate. He's also not super aggressive with his pinches and passes. He will flash moments and they'll happen once a game or every other game... but they are not 5-6-7+ times a game that you'd see in the NHL. If you think he's being aggressive, your definition is far different than mine.
 

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That would be jumping the gun considering Kovalenko has a lot to prove still.
I think this is more so the preferred route to the NHL by Gulyayev, just as it was for Kovalenko. As you have said it may not be the best route, but from the Avs standpoint they are happy to let these Russian guys do it their way. I hope it works for both guys.
 

henchman21

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I think this is more so the preferred route to the NHL by Gulyayev, just as it was for Kovalenko. As you have said it may not be the best route, but from the Avs standpoint they are happy to let these Russian guys do it their way. I hope it works for both guys.
I’d agree it is the preferred path for many Russians. I doubt it is really preferred by the Avs. They’ll deal with it, but they’ve shown the want their Euros over quickly. Even to the tune of having OO and Kaut over in their +1 seasons. They’ve tried multiple times to get Kovalenko over… even 3 or so years ago they pushed hard. They like their guys developing players.

This isn’t a death knell or anything close. Until there is proof that this is the best path for this type of defender, it should be looked at with a skeptical eye.
 

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Have we developed any good Euros other than one year of Rantanen? I'm happy letting the Euros get developed in their own leagues.
 
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Can’t really see much positive in the Gulyayev news from an Avs perspective.

Not only does it delay his path to the NHL, it also hurts his trade value. He’s really only valuable to the absolute worst of the worst teams in the NHL that plan to be bad for several years.

I guess you just let him develop and play the long game and hope he turns into something special.
Agreed all around. I don't think Avs would be in the market to trade him, but him potentially coming at the end of his deal might be when the Avs Cup window closes, so really poor planning on him and his agent's part if he wants an NHL career.
 

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Agreed all around. I don't think Avs would be in the market to trade him, but him potentially coming at the end of his deal might be when the Avs Cup window closes, so really poor planning on him and his agent's part if he wants an NHL career.
Joining a team when their cup window is closing isn't necessarily a bad thing for a prospect trying to break into the league though... Typically a team exiting it's window means that the rosters depth and prospect pool has been depleted, thus likely making it easier to make the roster, as compared to a roster that is early in its window and still stacked with depth guys on value contracts and with a deep prospect pool. Once Rantanen, Byram, and the rest of the stars get paid there will be more emphasis on getting ELC's into the lineup in increasingly larger roles.
 

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Joining a team when their cup window is closing isn't necessarily a bad thing for a prospect trying to break into the league though... Typically a team exiting it's window means that the rosters depth and prospect pool has been depleted, thus likely making it easier to make the roster, as compared to a roster that is early in its window and still stacked with depth guys on value contracts and with a deep prospect pool. Once Rantanen, Byram, and the rest of the stars get paid there will be more emphasis on getting ELC's into the lineup in increasingly larger roles.
He opens the next window.
 

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Have we developed any good Euros other than one year of Rantanen? I'm happy letting the Euros get developed in their own leagues.

Avs have such trouble developing Euros, even their promising North American's that sound like Euros get cursed, like Sam Malinski.
 

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Avs can't develop anyone they draft. The best they've done in the past 10 drafts is Greer, Barron and Timmins.

Keep in mind that this is a list of players who have been drafted by us and then played in the AHL. College guys and Euros don't count since they developed elsewhere, without our clumsy, fumbling hands all over them.
 

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Avs can't develop anyone they draft. The best they've done in the past 10 drafts is Greer, Barron and Timmins.

Keep in mind that this is a list of players who have been drafted by us and then played in the AHL. College guys and Euros don't count since they developed elsewhere, without our clumsy, fumbling hands all over them.
Their development seems just fine, it’s the drafting that’s the problem.
 

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Avs can't develop anyone they draft. The best they've done in the past 10 drafts is Greer, Barron and Timmins.

Keep in mind that this is a list of players who have been drafted by us and then played in the AHL. College guys and Euros don't count since they developed elsewhere, without our clumsy, fumbling hands all over them.
A couple of those guys got good value in trades…
 

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I feel like he'd have had a chance if his time was 10 years later.
I remember Sacco pretty much created a locker room rift simply because he was too afraid to tweak the lineup during a win streak.

I know Granato usually gets the vote as worst Avs coach ever but holy shit was he terrible.
 
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