Prospect Info: 2023-24 Prospect Info (CHL, NCAA, Europe)

[henchman21]

Going to be interesting to see if he breaks camp with the team or not now. My guess is the promises elsewhere didn't materialize, but maybe they did and it was matched.

 

[Hasbro]

Welcome back Cow Eyes!

 

[henchman21]

Avs are 25th in Pronmans U23 rankings (so it includes Byram). Down 2 spots from 23 last year.

 

[S E P H]

Avs are 25th in Pronmans U23 rankings (so it includes Byram). Down 2 spots from 23 last year.

Bad list by him. I question his viewings because he has Byram as an exceptional skater, but only has Gulyayev as above-average. Pretty hilarious.

I am not the biggest Byram fan, but if an organisation has him as their top prospect, you'd think they would be better than 25th.

 

[henchman21]

Bad list by him. I question his viewings because he has Byram as an exceptional skater, but only has Gulyayev as above-average. Pretty hilarious.

I am not the biggest Byram fan, but if an organisation has him as their top prospect, you'd think they would be better than 25th.

I think people get way too attached to his wording around attributes, but Byram is a level ahead of Gulyayev in the skating department to me.

Overall, this is just another list and everyone has opinions on the right way to evaluate. With Byram, 25th is probably a touch low to me... but we might be talking the difference between 21st and 25th. It doesn't change things that dramatically to me, garbage either way.

 

[Tommy Shelby]

If you took Byram out, we are bottom-3 in the league. Just look at that pool. It's not quite Bleackley, Heard and Siemens bad, but it's pretty damn close.

There's like 2 guys with legit NHL sticking potential (I'm not counting the new college guys, they aren't our prospects) and 2-3 more that are long shots....and then nothing but pipe dreams and zero percenters.

 

[TruePowerSlave]

As expected with the Avs draft record the future is pitch black. Once the core declines it's back to the dark ages.

 

[Murzu]

As expected with the Avs draft record the future is pitch black. Once the core declines it's back to the dark ages.

That's the spirit!

 

[TruePowerSlave]

That's the spirit!

In a way it wouldn't be such a bad thing. The draft system rewards crap teams a ton, being stuck in the middle is the worst place to be.

 

[henchman21]

In a way it wouldn't be such a bad thing. The draft system rewards crap teams a ton, being stuck in the middle is the worst place to be.

I'd think even with regression... being bad at the draft and having a bad pool can only drag you down so far. If the Avs goes the lifetime route with MacK, Rants, and Makar...we're staring at where the Penguins are for the last 5-8 years until they retire. Will make the playoffs quite often but won't really be a threat. Maybe you make a Last Dance sort of effort towards the end.

 

[UnkleKraker]

Avs are 25th in Pronmans U23 rankings (so it includes Byram). Down 2 spots from 23 last year.

With the state of our pool I think that is reasonable if not a tad generous.

 

[expatriatedtexan]

I'd think even with regression... being bad at the draft and having a bad pool can only drag you down so far. If the Avs goes the lifetime route with MacK, Rants, and Makar...we're staring at where the Penguins are for the last 5-8 years until they retire. Will make the playoffs quite often but won't really be a threat. Maybe you make a Last Dance sort of effort towards the end.

I'm not a negative guy... at least I try not to be anymore.

But reading thoughts like these, really makes me sad the Avs original core only got 2 cups. With all that talent, no salary cap, an owner with deep, open pockets and a GM who liked to make big trades. It almost feels like 2 cups was borderline underachieving.

 

[Foppa2118]

I'm not a negative guy... at least I try not to be anymore.

But reading thoughts like these, really makes me sad the Avs original core only got 2 cups. With all that talent, no salary cap, an owner with deep, open pockets and a GM who liked to make big trades. It almost feels like 2 cups was borderline underachieving.

They did underachieve based on the teams they had and the way the pre cap era better allowed for dynasties. Those game 7 losses in the conference finals were tough.

If the current group only ends up with 1 Cup during their run, they'll have underachieved IMO too. They have a top 3-5 forward in the NHL and the best defenseman, along with some other pretty good forwards and defenseman.

 

[henchman21]

I'm not a negative guy... at least I try not to be anymore.

But reading thoughts like these, really makes me sad the Avs original core only got 2 cups. With all that talent, no salary cap, an owner with deep, open pockets and a GM who liked to make big trades. It almost feels like 2 cups was borderline underachieving.

I actually don’t disagree… one bit of nuance… Sakic’s offer sheet was basically the last straw where it forced a sell to Stan. The team was losing massive money before the Pepsi Center opened and the Rangers thought the Avs would be too cash poor… which was right it just ended up in a sale instead of losing Sakic.

 

[Gruyeriev]

If you took Byram out, we are bottom-3 in the league. Just look at that pool. It's not quite Bleackley, Heard and Siemens bad, but it's pretty damn close.

There's like 2 guys with legit NHL sticking potential (I'm not counting the new college guys, they aren't our prospects) and 2-3 more that are long shots....and then nothing but pipe dreams and zero percenters.

I raise your Bleackley, Heard and Siemens to an Oreskovich, Stoa and Williams! But yeah… we suck at drafting.

 

[TruePowerSlave]

I'd think even with regression... being bad at the draft and having a bad pool can only drag you down so far. If the Avs goes the lifetime route with MacK, Rants, and Makar...we're staring at where the Penguins are for the last 5-8 years until they retire. Will make the playoffs quite often but won't really be a threat. Maybe you make a Last Dance sort of effort towards the end.

That's a worse outcome, but certainly possible. Desperately holding on to mediocrity and once the inevitable rebuild comes along there is essentially nothing to build on.

 

[niwotsblessing]

I'm not a negative guy... at least I try not to be anymore.

But reading thoughts like these, really makes me sad the Avs original core only got 2 cups. With all that talent, no salary cap, an owner with deep, open pockets and a GM who liked to make big trades. It almost feels like 2 cups was borderline underachieving.

One very important facet of our losses to dallas was that their defensemen were allowed to play like pro wrestlers rather than being forced to abide by the written rules of the NHL. Disgusting.

 

[TruePowerSlave]

One very important facet of our losses to dallas was that their defensemen were allowed to play like pro wrestlers rather than being forced to abide by the written rules of the NHL. Disgusting.

It was pretty ridiculous. However, the peak Stars teams had so much character and grit that I can only appreciate it.

Really wish hockey would be as aggressive as it used to be. The 96 World Cup was like from another universe compared to the no contact international events we get now. So much real hate, hits, scumbag tactics, brawls etc. Loved it.

 

[Hasbro]

One very important facet of our losses to dallas was that their defensemen were allowed to play like pro wrestlers rather than being forced to abide by the written rules of the NHL. Disgusting.

Sounds like the bad old days with Matvichuk.

As expected with the Avs draft record the future is pitch black. Once the core declines it's back to the dark ages.

Picks too high for the scouts to **** up.

 

[CobraAcesS]

Avs are 25th in Pronmans U23 rankings (so it includes Byram). Down 2 spots from 23 last year.

Newhook was a huge loss I'm sure.

 

[CobraAcesS]

I'd think even with regression... being bad at the draft and having a bad pool can only drag you down so far. If the Avs goes the lifetime route with MacK, Rants, and Makar...we're staring at where the Penguins are for the last 5-8 years until they retire. Will make the playoffs quite often but won't really be a threat. Maybe you make a Last Dance sort of effort towards the end.

I'm hoping they lock them all up, and still force a couple of down years and retool with some good draft picks. 10 years of band-aids vs a couple lost seasons in a few years.

We may even get two really good years out of Ryjo, prove it year, and a contract year lol. But say good buy after that please..

More Boston than Pittsburgh, but hard to argue with three cups, although I firmly believe two of those came on the backs of crazy goaltending and fire wagon offense.

Pit's last two runs, I'm not sure I remember a team getting out played that much and still advancing.

I'm not a negative guy... at least I try not to be anymore.

But reading thoughts like these, really makes me sad the Avs original core only got 2 cups. With all that talent, no salary cap, an owner with deep, open pockets and a GM who liked to make big trades. It almost feels like 2 cups was borderline underachieving.

That sentiment is basically fact, or at least widely shared, lots of reasons though, coaching, injuries, trades like Drury, etc.

 

[Evgeny Oliker]

Malinski - for those who have seen him play in the AHL, does he have top 4 upside?

Any chance he gets some NHL games this season?


Thanks

 

[Hasbro]

Malinski - for those who have seen him play in the AHL, does he have top 4 upside?

Any chance he gets some NHL games this season?


Thanks

Good bottom pair upside.

Yes, not sure how many, but think he's a slam dunk for at least a few.

 

[Tommy Shelby]

Malinski - for those who have seen him play in the AHL, does he have top 4 upside?

Any chance he gets some NHL games this season?


Thanks

He's 100% gonna get games, how many depends on how many games Frale Makar, Weak Hobbit, Bandaid Manson, Scrambled eggs Byram and "34 minutes a night for no real reason" Toews end up missing.

 

[CobraAcesS]

He's 100% gonna get games, how many depends on how many games Frale Makar, Weak Hobbit, Bandaid Manson, Scrambled eggs Byram and "34 minutes a night for no real reason" Toews end up missing.

So everyone is assuming JJ is an every night player when we're healthy? I basically have the kid penciled in as the RH #6D.

Why would he have signed here otherwise?