Prospect Info: 2023-24 Prospect Info (CHL, NCAA, Europe)

[henchman21]

If they gave Nick Henry a contract they ought to give him one.

I’m not the biggest fan of that. Henry… or today Miner and Beaucage getting signed just because they were picks and sunk costs so to speak just isn’t my favorite thing. There is an opportunity cost to bringing in those players and it is clear that none of them are NHL prospects. If you’re gonna sign a pure AHL guy, IMO it is best to sign a guy that should be a capable top6/4 guy or goalie… plus have great leadership down there to where you might keep them for 5-7 years.

FTR I’d likely sign Stienburg… but if the Avs had some extra UFA options, he wouldn’t top my list. Nor would he be above Ambro if Ambro wanted to sign this year.

 

[Hasbro]

I’m not the biggest fan of that. Henry… or today Miner and Beaucage getting signed just because they were picks and sunk costs so to speak just isn’t my favorite thing. There is an opportunity cost to bringing in those players and it is clear that none of them are NHL prospects. If you’re gonna sign a pure AHL guy, IMO it is best to sign a guy that should be a capable top6/4 guy or goalie… plus have great leadership down there to where you might keep them for 5-7 years.

FTR I’d likely sign Stienburg… but if the Avs had some extra UFA options, he wouldn’t top my list. Nor would he be above Ambro if Ambro wanted to sign this year.

By all means, bring in more Megna's to get the call ups.

 

[henchman21]

By all means, bring in more Megna's to get the call ups.

Megna added far more than Kaut, but that’s not what I’m saying. I’m saying it prevents you from getting the LOC types if you sign too many random picks who suck. Avs haven’t had that issue (outside of the net where they have had that issue) since they just haven’t had many picks. But if you sign your picks just to sign them, you can get in that situation quite quickly.

To me, sign players in general that have a purpose or some projection. Signing a future AHL leader is perfectly fine and acceptable. It may not work, but at least have something. Signing a guy like Henry or Miner that just have zero projection just doesn’t make sense to me.

 

[Alienblood]

I should have been more specific when I said "enough speed". I wasn't talking about top speed to get there but more about quickness/burst to get there in time to apply that pressure. I have said many times in the past that top speed is not as important as the first few steps so I agree my question was worded wrong.

On the other hand I do not agree with you that Byram is faster than Makar. He is fast but I don't find Byram as fast as most people think he is. I always felt the same way about Girard also. They are both great skater but their top speed is not their strength. Makar's explosiveness and edges are definitely his strength but he is also faster than those two.

I think Byram is just as fast as Makar and just as good a skater overall and perhaps better backwards

 

[GirardSpinorama]

Megna added far more than Kaut, but that’s not what I’m saying. I’m saying it prevents you from getting the LOC types if you sign too many random picks who suck. Avs haven’t had that issue (outside of the net where they have had that issue) since they just haven’t had many picks. But if you sign your picks just to sign them, you can get in that situation quite quickly.

To me, sign players in general that have a purpose or some projection. Signing a future AHL leader is perfectly fine and acceptable. It may not work, but at least have something. Signing a guy like Henry or Miner that just have zero projection just doesn’t make sense to me.

I think we have enough contract room to sign more. But ya, I wouldn't sign someone just cause they were a draft pick.

 

[John Mandalorian]

I think Byram is just as fast as Makar and just as good a skater overall and perhaps better backwards

 

[AllAboutAvs]

I see Kovalenko’s burst as his biggest skating flaw personally. European hockey is played slower and more deliberate.

There is data to back up that Byram is faster than Makar top speed wise. Makar hasn’t (to my knowledge) ever topped 24mph in a game. I think his highest is 23.6/7. Byram has been clocked at 24.3 or 24.5 (one of the two). Byram can absolutely fly. But he’s a smother more efficient sort of skater where Makar is explosiveness and power. Makar’s average is probably much higher because he can get to his top gear in basically 2 strides.

Really surprised by this. Every time I see him skate back in a race to get to a puck in our D zone I find that sometimes he struggles to get there first. I agree he is fast. I just don't think he is as fast as Makar. Definitely agree Makar's average is higher. Makar never topping 24 mph in a game doesn't mean he can't do it or go even faster.

I think Byram is just as fast as Makar and just as good a skater overall and perhaps better backwards

Agree to disagree.

 

[Alienblood]

Really surprised by this. Every time I see him skate back in a race to get to a puck in our D zone I find that sometimes he struggles to get there first. I agree he is fast. I just don't think he is as fast as Makar. Definitely agree Makar's average is higher. Makar never topping 24 mph in a game doesn't mean he can't do it or go even faster.


Agree to disagree.

We are blessed regardless both great skaters

 

[henchman21]

Really surprised by this. Every time I see him skate back in a race to get to a puck in our D zone I find that sometimes he struggles to get there first. I agree he is fast. I just don't think he is as fast as Makar. Definitely agree Makar's average is higher. Makar never topping 24 mph in a game doesn't mean he can't do it or go even faster.

I've never been clocked at 24 mph, but that doesn't mean I can't! JK!

To me the absence of evidence here just means you can't proclaim Makar as faster. Even in fastest skater comps Makar hasn't been clocked that fast. That doesn't mean it is impossible, but you can't say it is a fact until he does it. It is a fact Byram has been clocked at 24.3mph in a game.

It is just one of those things that top speed just isn't that important... some pretty average skating players can really get moving, but that doesn't mean they are great skaters.

 

[AllAboutAvs]

I've never been clocked at 24 mph, but that doesn't mean I can't! JK!

To me the absence of evidence here just means you can't proclaim Makar as faster. Even in fastest skater comps Makar hasn't been clocked that fast. That doesn't mean it is impossible, but you can't say it is a fact until he does it. It is a fact Byram has been clocked at 24.3mph in a game.

It is just one of those things that top speed just isn't that important... some pretty average skating players can really get moving, but that doesn't mean they are great skaters.

I never said it was a fact. It is just my opinion that he is. I guess I'll have to wait for proof.

As I said quite a few time now I'll take burst over top speed any day. Much more important in hockey.

 

[henchman21]

I never said it was a fact. It is just my opinion that he is. I guess I'll have to wait for proof.

As I said quite a few time now I'll take burst over top speed any day. Much more important in hockey.

100% agree... burst and edges are just far more important. I really don't care that a guy like Jaros can get motoring when he's basically a sow after a rainstorm from a stop.

 

[Avs_19]

Is Behrens expected to sign? Surely they could give him some MacDermid mins, right? God, I hope so.

 

[Chiarelli]

You know mate, I don't know what to really think anymore. They gave Josh Anderson one, but not Tyler Weiss or Lievermann who themselves probably won't ever make it though are way superior players. I am thinking there is somebody with power in the Avs organisation that just loves physical defensive-defencemen. It would be the same bloke who went after Josh Manson, Ian Cole, Zadorov, Mironov, Siemens, Brad Stuary, Erik Johnson, etc. I might be looking at hindsight bias though because I would believe that perhaps every team in the NHL probably have their own version of Josh Anderson and/or Ian Coles.

Erik Johnson is a physical defensive defensemen?

 

[Gumballhead]

Erik Johnson is a physical defensive defensemen?

On this team he rates as one.

 

[AllAboutAvs]

100% agree... burst and edges are just far more important. I really don't care that a guy like Jaros can get motoring when he's basically a sow after a rainstorm from a stop.

Here is the best I can find on Makar's and Byram's top speed. Makar shows 24.1 and Byram at 24.3. They both say they are for the 21-22 season.
Makar and Byram

 

[henchman21]

Here is the best I can find on Makar's and Byram's top speed. Makar shows 24.1 and Byram at 24.3. They both say they are for the 21-22 season.
Makar and Byram

 

[AllAboutAvs]

Doesn't prove anything though. I still have my doubts. Maybe Makar wasn't going all out. Maybe Byram was headed for the bench and needed to go to the bathroom really bad.... I'll wait for more data on the subject before giving it to Byram. Makar just looks faster to me.

Anyway I posted those links because you said you hadn't seen Makar at 24 mph. And by the way it wasn't to prove you wrong, just that there was some post somewhere about it.

 

[henchman21]

Doesn't prove anything though. I still have my doubts. Maybe Makar wasn't going all out. Maybe Byram was headed for the bench and needed to go to the bathroom really bad.... I'll wait for more data on the subject before giving it to Byram. Makar just looks faster to me.

Anyway I posted those links because you said you hadn't seen Makar at 24 mph. And by the way it wasn't to prove you wrong, just that there was some post somewhere about it.

No worries at all from me... Makar hit 24.1! I hadn't seen that yet and is neat to see!

Makar clearly plays at a faster pace and he gets up to speed a lot quicker than Byram... Byram can absolutely fly when he is at full tilt though and he's more aggressive about flying the zone without the puck to get a head of steam (Makar plays that much more conservatively). That is probably where the 24.3 came from.

 

[Pokecheque]

Another upset--Harvard didn't just lose, they got KILLED.

 

[Northern Avs Fan]

I think Byram is just as fast as Makar and just as good a skater overall and perhaps better backwards

Makar is silkier as a skater and more explosive. In terms of raw speed, Byram might have him beat. Both guys can cover a lot ground in a hurry.

The separator for Makar comes in his hockey IQ, hands, and shot.

 

[BaconNater]

Would be nice for Michigan Tech to get some scorers at some point, at least Kukkonen is promising. Wonder if the goalie Pietila returns or gets NHL interest

 

[Alienblood]

Makar is silkier as a skater and more explosive. In terms of raw speed, Byram might have him beat. Both guys can cover a lot ground in a hurry.

The separator for Makar comes in his hockey IQ, hands, and shot.

Oh I think Byram handles the puck better for sure.

 

[Hasbro]

Another upset--Harvard didn't just lose, they got KILLED.

The combined score in 4 games today 32-2.

 

[UnkleKraker]

Any Nichushkin in Kovalenko's game?

 

[BaconNater]

Was happy to see Steinberg score then they flashed that was his 3rd goal of the season jeez