Prospect Info: 2023-24 Prospect Info (CHL, NCAA, Europe)

[Pokecheque]

Any Nichushkin in Kovalenko's game?

I’m guessing he’s more like a scrappier, less talented Darcy Tucker.

 

[The Kingslayer]

I’m guessing he’s more like a scrappier, less talented Darcy Tucker.

That sounds like Jt Compher to me haha

 

[Pokecheque]

That sounds like Jt Compher to me haha

No, say what you will about JTC but the man can skate. From what I understand, Kovalenko ain’t a burner. Tucker was slow AF.

 

[Hasbro]

I’m guessing he’s more like a scrappier, less talented Darcy Tucker.

You compared hockey players from two nationalities?! What deviltry is this?!

 

[henchman21]

Was happy to see Steinberg score then they flashed that was his 3rd goal of the season jeez

He's been hurt since December and just came back this month... but he's not an offensive guy in the least. Last season was a fluke and stemmed from him being one of the only top line options.

 

[Foppa2118]

I should have been more specific when I said "enough speed". I wasn't talking about top speed to get there but more about quickness/burst to get there in time to apply that pressure. I have said many times in the past that top speed is not as important as the first few steps so I agree my question was worded wrong.

On the other hand I do not agree with you that Byram is faster than Makar. He is fast but I don't find Byram as fast as most people think he is. I always felt the same way about Girard also. They are both great skater but their top speed is not their strength. Makar's explosiveness and edges are definitely his strength but he is also faster than those two.

Byram doesn't play the same style as Makar that's why. Cale plays similar to Nate, in that he tries to overwhelm you with his speed and athleticism. That's not how Bo usually plays in transition. I don't think Bo has the same burst as Cale, but that's not the main reason for the visual difference.

The main reason is because he intentionally slows the game down on the breakout to read the play, get the opposition flat footed, and then hit a teammate with a pass for a quick change of pace to catch the opposition off guard. He's very similar to Forsberg in the way he slows the game down.

It's his comfort zone style of play, even though I think he's actually better playing on his toes. I think Bedsy does too. Not many guys do that anymore either, because not many can with the speed of the game. Most try to match or outskate the pace, not slow it down. Toews does it a little too.

G does the opposite, but like you say he was never as fast a skater as people thought. He would always look sluggish at times trying to chase down pucks. I think it's also his edges. Pretty sure he has them cut like Forsberg so he can make quick turns in tight spaces, which impacts top speed. That's why I don't agree with the claims he's slower this year after adding weight. He's looked the same to me all year.

You need a really high IQ and great passing skills to slow the game down that way now, which Bo has. Otherwise you end up turning the puck over or getting crushed, because the forecheckers get on you so quickly now, and clog up most of the passing lanes.

You can see in the Ducks game though, when Bo want to turn on the acceleration, he can move as quick or quicker than most D men not named Cale Makar.

This is when he's at his best IMO. When he's playing on his toes. Passing a little less on the breakout, and therefore not slowing the game down as much, which also makes him less vulnerable to being hit, because he still likes to take hits to draw the opposition to him, and set up teammates with time and space.

 

[AllAboutAvs]

Byram doesn't play the same style as Makar that's why. Cale plays similar to Nate, in that he tries to overwhelm you with his speed and athleticism. That's not how Bo usually plays in transition. I don't think Bo has the same burst as Cale, but that's not the main reason for the visual difference.

The main reason is because he intentionally slows the game down on the breakout to read the play, get the opposition flat footed, and then hit a teammate with a pass for a quick change of pace to catch the opposition off guard. He's very similar to Forsberg in the way he slows the game down.

It's his comfort zone style of play, even though I think he's actually better playing on his toes. I think Bedsy does too. Not many guys do that anymore either, because not many can with the speed of the game. Most try to match or outskate the pace, not slow it down. Toews does it a little too.

G does the opposite, but like you say he was never as fast a skater as people thought. He would always look sluggish at times trying to chase down pucks. I think it's also his edges. Pretty sure he has them cut like Forsberg so he can make quick turns in tight spaces, which impacts top speed. That's why I don't agree with the claims he's slower this year after adding weight. He's looked the same to me all year.

You need a really high IQ and great passing skills to slow the game down that way now, which Bo has. Otherwise you end up turning the puck over or getting crushed, because the forecheckers get on you so quickly now, and clog up most of the passing lanes.

You can see in the Ducks game though, when Bo want to turn on the acceleration, he can move as quick or quicker than most D men not named Cale Makar.

This is when he's at his best IMO. When he's playing on his toes. Passing a little less on the breakout, and therefore not slowing the game down as much, which also makes him less vulnerable to being hit, because he still likes to take hits to draw the opposition to him, and set up teammates with time and space.

We were not arguing about playing style. We were arguing about top speed.

 

[Foppa2118]

We were not arguing about playing style. We were arguing about top speed.

I know. You said you were comparing their burst as opposed to top speed. I was saying his playing style heavily impacts his burst, because he's not alwasy skating realy hard on the breakout. Unlike how Cale plays, Bo is often intentionally trying to slow the game down.

 

[AllAboutAvs]

I know. You said you were comparing their burst as opposed to top speed. I was saying his playing style heavily impacts his burst, because he's not alwasy skating realy hard on the breakout. Unlike how Cale plays, Bo is often intentionally trying to slow the game down.

Ok but regardless of how they play and how often they use them a player still has bursts and top speed.

 

[Foppa2118]

Ok but regardless of how they play and how often they use them a player still has bursts and top speed.

I agree. Maybe I wasn't clear. I think Bo's burst is close to Cale's but not as good, because nobody has acceleration like Cale.

But I see people say Bo's skating is overrated (not implying you just in general) and I very much disagree. I think this impression is heavily influenced by his playing style and trying to slow the game down. Visually he looks like he's not accelerating as fast as Cale, because he's doing that on purpose.

He wants to lull the opposition into coming at him on the breakout so it opens up time and space for teammates to pass to. But his actual skating, both his burst and top speed are very good, when he wants to turn on the jets.

Watch his O zone play, he has a different approach there, and uses his acceleration a lot more. He starts from a near standstill and when he wants to jump into the play, or circle the zone, he often ends up being the fastest player on the ice.

You can also judge his acceleration by his speedy back checks after pinching.

 

[AllAboutAvs]

I agree. Maybe I wasn't clear. I think Bo's burst is close to Cale's but not as good, because nobody has acceleration like Cale.

But I see people say Bo's skating is overrated (not implying you just in general) and I very much disagree. I think this impression is heavily influenced by his playing style and trying to slow the game down. Visually he looks like he's not accelerating as fast as Cale, because he's doing that on purpose.

He wants to lull the opposition into coming at him on the breakout so it opens up time and space for teammates to pass to. But his actual skating, both his burst and top speed are very good, when he wants to turn on the jets.

Watch his O zone play, he has a different approach there, and uses his acceleration a lot more. He starts from a near standstill and when he wants to jump into the play, or circle the zone, he often ends up being the fastest player on the ice.

I don't think there are many people that say Bo's skating is overrated. To be clear I wasn't either. I think Bo has great speed both bursts and top speed. Hench and I both agree that he had a bit less burst than Cale but I disagree with him that Bo was faster at top speed. We agreed to disagreed. If your opinion is that Bo is as fast as Cale in both those areas than we'll agree to disagree as well.

 

[Foppa2118]

I don't think there are many people that say Bo's skating is overrated. To be clear I wasn't either. I think Bo has great speed both bursts and top speed. Hench and I both agree that he had a bit less burst than Cale but I disagree with him that Bo was faster at top speed. We agreed to disagreed. If your opinion is that Bo is as fast as Cale in both those areas than we'll agree to disagree as well.

No I've said a few times I don't think Bo skates as fast as Cale. Both with burst and top speed. Nobody does.

But there definitely is a narrative out there that his skating is overrated. It's been said since he was drafted. I disagree strongly for the reasons I mentioned.

 

[AllAboutAvs]

No I've said a few times I don't think Bo skates as fast as Cale. Both with burst and top speed. Nobody does.

But there definitely is a narrative out there that his skating is overrated. It's been said since he was drafted. I disagree strongly for the reasons I mentioned.

Ah got you now.

 

[Pokecheque]

No I've said a few times I don't think Bo skates as fast as Cale. Both with burst and top speed. Nobody does.

But there definitely is a narrative out there that his skating is overrated. It's been said since he was drafted. I disagree strongly for the reasons I mentioned.

There are aspects of Bo's game I think are a tad overrated, but definitely not his skating.

That said, if he falls ONE MORE TIME in the defensive zone trying to make a stop I'm gonna lose it. I can't remember if it was this last game or an earlier one, he followed the opposition player up to the point and tried to block the shot or disrupt the pass, fell down and practically slid right out of the zone. Stay on your feet, bro!

 

[Foppa2118]

There are aspects of Bo's game I think are a tad overrated, but definitely not his skating.

That said, if he falls ONE MORE TIME in the defensive zone trying to make a stop I'm gonna lose it. I can't remember if it was this last game or an earlier one, he followed the opposition player up to the point and tried to block the shot or disrupt the pass, fell down and practically slid right out of the zone. Stay on your feet, bro!

Definitely needs to clean that aspect up a bit. Yeah I think that was last game. Looked like he was trying to slide into second base.

 

[AllAboutAvs]

There are aspects of Bo's game I think are a tad overrated, but definitely not his skating.

That said, if he falls ONE MORE TIME in the defensive zone trying to make a stop I'm gonna lose it. I can't remember if it was this last game or an earlier one, he followed the opposition player up to the point and tried to block the shot or disrupt the pass, fell down and practically slid right out of the zone. Stay on your feet, bro!

It was against ARI when Maccelli reverse direction at the blue line. Yeah it was not pretty to see.

 

[Hasbro]

 

[Chiarelli]

What do we know about this guy.

RS d man from Minnesota

 

[niwotsblessing]

Note: Jason and Sam both sport a "C" on the front of their jersey's. Going after guys with leadership skills- me like.

 

[Pokecheque]

Note: Jason and Sam both sport a "C" on the front of their jersey's. Going after guys with leadership skills- me like.

Yeah, not to mention Wyatt Aamodt and Logan O'Connor, the latter of whom did not actually wear the "C" but was slated to do so before he turned pro.

 

[Pokecheque]

Feels like it should be noted that MSU Mankato head coach Mike Hastings has been tabbed to replace Tony Granato in Wisconsin. I mean, the guy coached half the Avs' prospect base so it seems pertinent.

 

[henchman21]

Feels like it should be noted that MSU Mankato head coach Mike Hastings has been tabbed to replace Tony Granato in Wisconsin. I mean, the guy coached half the Avs' prospect base so it seems pertinent.

Hastings is one of the top 2 or 3 coaches in the NCAA.

 

[S E P H]

As Hench explained, he's one of the best coaches and a great get for Wisconsin. What he was able to do and transform a smaller school into an elite programme is just crazy. I am not sure if he's an amazing tactics coach, but his recruitment is off-the-charts good. The Badgers are too good of a programme to be that bad for that long IMO.

 

[Hasbro]

What do we know about this guy.

RS d man from Minnesota

Another Hotel Management Major?

 

[Ararana]

The Eagles better develop this Malinski kid good. I really want to watch this board explode when the Avs third pairing is

Sam Girard [5' 10"] - Sam Malinski [5' 11"]