Laval Rocket: 2023-24 Laval Rocket Thread

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Finally..might be time to move on from Houle. Hopefully it happens next summer.

I'd be shocked if they extend him this summer. Unless he turns it around and Laval goes on some insane run, JF Houle should be gone this summer.

It's uncommon for a coaching change to be made during the season, but I'm ready to move on now. An 8-game losing streak is already bad enough, but during this losing streak, the team isn't playing good hockey. They're looking like the Ducharme-lead Habs before he was fired.
 
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Houle may be part of the problem, but the vets and some players should not be exonerated for such a poor season. Accountability for all!
 
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Lets do it again
 
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* .850 or worse goaltending every night *

FIRE DA COACH

Did you see the saves Dobes was making last night?

If it wasn't for him, they would have lost 7-3 in regulation.

Aren't we at the " you can't fire 23 players so it's the coach that pays the price " time ?

We've been at -Fire Houle- since he publicly diminished Mysak as a 19 year old in the AHL.
 
Did you see the saves Dobes was making last night?

If it wasn't for him, they would have lost 7-3 in regulation.



We've been at -Fire Houle- since he publicly diminished Mysak as a 19 year old in the AHL.

You're right. I didn't like Jacques Martin but went to hate mode when AK46 had a great start to a season and when he was asked by the media about it JM said " contract year". I was shocked. Guy was playing really well and the coach says that ?

So yeah, we have had some lousy human beings here like Martin , Therrien and Houle.
 
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You're right. I didn't like Jacques Martin but went to hate mode when AK46 had a great start to a season and when he was asked by the media about it JM said " contract year". I was shocked. Guy was playing really well and the coach says that ?

So yeah, we have had some lousy human beings here like Martin , Therrien and Houle.

Was listening to the Basu Godin notebook and they brought up Houle saying it would be difficult until Christmas, but he said that in training camp.

Even if he's right, you set the mentality for your team and players

He constantly undermines the psyche of valuable players. He needs to go. Yesterday.
 
The Laval Rocket is having a horrible season but several rookies are doing well despite everything: Roy is the third point scorer among rookies in the AHL, Mailloux is the third defenseman for points among rookies and Farell, Struble and Kidney are performing well.
 
The Laval Rocket is having a horrible season but several rookies are doing well despite everything: Roy is the third point scorer among rookies in the AHL, Mailloux is the third defenseman for points among rookies and Farell, Struble and Kidney are performing well.
They have too many rookies and lack quality vets like Belzile and Richard. + a vet goalie to help Dobes.
 
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They have too many rookies and lack quality vets like Belzile and Richard. + a vet goalie to help Dobes.
Allen is possibly coming

The Laval Rocket is having a horrible season but several rookies are doing well despite everything: Roy is the third point scorer among rookies in the AHL, Mailloux is the third defenseman for points among rookies and Farell, Struble and Kidney are performing well.
Kidney is surprising me. Less timid than I thought he would be.

Mailloux is a tire fire.
 
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Allen is possibly coming


Kidney is surprising me. Less timid than I thought he would be.

Mailloux is a tire fire.
They won't do that to Allen. They gonna trade him or keep him in MTL until the end of this season.
 
They have too many rookies and lack quality vets like Belzile and Richard. + a vet goalie to help Dobes.

Andersson, Maillet and Keeper were supposed to be quality vets.

Andersson missed more than half the games. Maillet and Keeper have both missed games to injuries and not a fit with Houle. Bisson is another one that struggled with Houle's new system at the start as he was better two years ago.

Both Norlinder and Trudeau are shadows of what they were last year.

I don't think a vet goalie would change much, unless it was one of the elite ones (the 2B type NHL goalie) and even then, I would still expect them to have bad stats compared to whatever they have on their current team.
 
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Q weaker league though
I'll move the reply into here so we're not bumping game threads.

Basically the OHL has produced 3-4 top 16 first rounders in the past 3 years including the only safely one projected this year in Dickinson with Parekh being likely but not guaranteed. There are a few that could sneak into the 2024 top half and Michael Misa is the presumptive first overall for 2025. From 2022 only Wright and Mintyukov were top half draftees out of the OHL and neither are there this year. 2023 saw zero top 16. The first was Barlow at 18 who is looking pretty mid. Many of the later first OHL guys are having Mesar's D+1-esque seasons.
The OHL isn't dying by any means but the current crop is fairly weak as a result of poor draft eligible players from 2022, 2023 and now projecting into 2024. Three draft years essentially covers the entire league. This is why Canada's WJC roster looks much weaker and few D+1 guys made the team last year. Usually there is a mix of D+2 and D+1 but last year was almost entirely D+2 with only Wright and Beck(as an injury replacement) as D+1 guys. So far this year's initial roster heavily features D+1 players. As D+2 there are Savoie, Beck, Ludwinski, Geekie, Firkus, Dumais, Warren, Mateychuk, Luneau, Lamoureux, Furlong, Donovan, Minten, and Buchinger as invites. I would expect most the cuts to come from this list. There are two undrafted 19 year olds as well but there are 8 D+1 guys invited, most of who will be back next year. I've never seen an entire team aged out the way last year's Canada team has.

Also when looking at this list you can see how much more Canada is relying on the WHL and Q than they traditionally have. Ontario by far has the largest playerbase to choose from and the Q used to only get 1-2 guys on the team despite being at nearly equal footing at the NHL level for decades.
NCAA:2
WHL:8
QMJHL:8
OHL:12
And while it looks convincing with the OHL having nearly as many invites the other two combined, pretty much all the guys on the fringe and in depth roles are from the OHL. All the stars of this team are in the WHL. And hockey Canada has an obvious Ontario bias as many of the staff are promoted from there.

With regards to Mesar as well, countrymate Dvorsky is outproducing Mesar in the same number of games while being a year younger and is still projected to be a third line C at the NHL level. The OHL is certainly not in an untouchable position at the moment with the WHL clearly being the number one for now. The Q has a lot more good players than it did a few years ago. While they are facing similar draft issues to the OHL of not having top prospects, a lot of the second and third rounders have been exceeding expectations in the past few years. It's become a bit of an unstated league. Guys like Bourque, Luneau, Roy, Mercer, and a few others were drafted far later than they should have been. The OHL has the opposite problem where a guy like Beck goes first in the second round where he probably should have been pick swapped with Hutson. I say this as someone who disparages the Q at every turn too.

Anyways, don't overstate OHL production in the current league (or discount the Q of the past few years), it's the weakest it's been in a long time. It will get better, junior hockey primarily encompasses three birth years and the D-1 (or -2 depending on your preferred nomenclature) year appears to be better than the current D+0, D+1, and D+2. Not only that, Kidney was higher in PPG with worse team mates while Mesar is the fourth best player on a stacked team. Every game his PPG is going down as well while his team mates are maintaining. He's slightly outpacing Beck but the difference is Beck is objectively the best player on his team and projects as a 3C.
 
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The organization has lacked decent prospects for decades so any good prospect stays with the big team whether they should or not. Any players showing even a little life gets called up. Add in a truly stupefying number of injury time lost. The team still lacks quality prospects, it will be a decade of consistent good drafting to make a serious team.
 
Showed that if can stay healthy he will play in the NHL and play at at a high level. Heineman was one of the very few Laval players who could skate ( outskate?) with a very fast Abbotsford team.

He can fly and has a big shot but he has stone hands and very questionable IQ. I see a smaller Josh Anderson but with a more refined shot.
 

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