2023-24 Calgary Wranglers Thread

[flames23]

Yeah he's looked very good from the bits and pieces I've managed to see this yr.

 

[Lunatik]

Sorry haven't been keeping this thread up to date well recently, haven't been watching as much, or as closely. Just feeling off.

 

[FLAMESFAN]

Wrangler update: After losing 4 straight, CGY took both games vs Colorado with Wolf stopping 67/69.
They still hold down 1st place at the break here. Back at it vs the Baby Nucks on the 28th/29th

 

[Bounces R Way]

kind of an old post but makes you think

 

[super6646]

kind of an old post but makes you think

Kerins looks like a potential gem. Nice to see

 

[Roadrage]

Kerins looks like a potential gem. Nice to see

I really hope he isn't Matthew Phillips 2.0 for the Flames. Both undersized and lighter players. Both 6th round picks 4 years apart. Phillips with better stats in junior and never played below AHL unlike Kerins as a pro.

 

[Yepthatsme]

I really hope he isn't Matthew Phillips 2.0 for the Flames. Both undersized and lighter players. Both 6th round picks 4 years apart. Phillips with better stats in junior and never played below AHL unlike Kerins as a pro.

Kerins has looked far more impressive at this stage of development than Phillips did, and that’s not even accounting for Kerins losing an entire season to COVID. Phillips at the same stage was 7th on the team in point per game, and would go on to be 5th the following year. Kerins is already 3rd on the team, and has a higher points per game at this stage of his development than Phillips did at the same stage or the year after (also had a better final year in junior than Phillips).

Phillips was never too impressive because he was almost fully developed by time he was torching the AHL, he didn’t have much runway left to turn into a quality NHLer. Kerins play is a lot more impressive considering he has a lot more time to keep developing considering his age.

Also I have no idea what data is going into that table but it looks brutal. Points aren’t everything, but Maverick Bourque and Stankoven are TORCHING the AHL to the tune of 37 and 35 points in 26 games, respectively and carrying the Texas Stars. Bourque doesn’t even make the list and Stankoven isn’t even top 10.

 

[Some Other Flame]

I really hope he isn't Matthew Phillips 2.0 for the Flames. Both undersized and lighter players. Both 6th round picks 4 years apart. Phillips with better stats in junior and never played below AHL unlike Kerins as a pro.

Kerins is 5'10", same as Mangiapane. An inch taller than Pelletier, an inch shorter than Dube

Phillips is listed as 5'8" but probably shorter than that.

 

[JPeeper]

I really hope he isn't Matthew Phillips 2.0 for the Flames. Both undersized and lighter players. Both 6th round picks 4 years apart. Phillips with better stats in junior and never played below AHL unlike Kerins as a pro.

Comparing 5'10 Kerins to 3 foot 1 Matt Philips is very disingenuous. There is no way Philips breaks even 5'6". Gaudreau towered over him. The only similarity is they're 6 round picks, which big whoop.

Also, if it's Philips 2.0 then he is just another bust anyway. On the Caps roster the only people he is ahead of in terms of points are d-men, a broken and injured Backstrom who has played 8 games and somehow Oshie who must have fallen off a massive cliff. His only NHL goal has been against us.

I too hope he isn't Philips 2.0, hopefully he actually can turn into an NHL player. Philips will be in Europe in 2024.

 

[FLAMESFAN]

F$$K you guys are taking what the guy saud too literal. I too hope he doesn't just become an AHL specialist like Philips. I'll give him props for what he's done this year, but we knew he could put up points.
Much like Petterson, he's got more to work on before making it to the big league.

 

[Yepthatsme]

F$$K you guys are taking what the guy saud too literal. I too hope he doesn't just become an AHL specialist like Philips. I'll give him props for what he's done this year, but we knew he could put up points.
Much like Petterson, he's got more to work on before making it to the big league.

My biggest red flag seems to be that he has the hardest time getting coaches to trust him for whatever reason. The year that the OHL couldn’t play due to Covid he couldn’t get into the lineup in the AHL (not too shocking at his age but still), two years later despite torching the ECHL he never really got a call up, then this year he even started off not being a regular in the lineup before this performance. Haven’t had enough viewings to see if its style of play that coaches don’t like or if its an attitude problem etc.

 

[HighLifeMan]

My biggest red flag seems to be that he has the hardest time getting coaches to trust him for whatever reason. The year that the OHL couldn’t play due to Covid he couldn’t get into the lineup in the AHL (not too shocking at his age but still), two years later despite torching the ECHL he never really got a call up, then this year he even started off not being a regular in the lineup before this performance. Haven’t had enough viewings to see if its style of play that coaches don’t like or if its an attitude problem etc.

His fitness (or lack thereof) has been the issue since turning pro. His skill level has always been evident. Trent Cull alluded to it earlier in the year when he was scratched for six straight to start the season. Some guys really struggle with the off-ice transition to being a pro. Hopefully the Flames and Kerins have got those things sorted out.

 

[FLAMESFAN]

His fitness (or lack thereof) has been the issue since turning pro. His skill level has always been evident. Trent Cull alluded to it earlier in the year when he was scratched for six straight to start the season. Some guys really struggle with the off-ice transition to being a pro. Hopefully the Flames and Kerins have got those things sorted out.

I can't comment on the conditioning, but I was able to catch a bunch of his Greyhound games, and like you said, his skill is evident. But he was mostly a perimeter player, and if he doesn't have the puck he's often lazy. He was great on the PP, and had chemistry with Tye Karte, who I was often more impressed with. He may have improved on being a 200ft player more consistently this season, but lets just keep things in prospective when looking at the posted chart- he's no Stankoven/Bourque.
Lets just be happy with his success so far, he's in a perfect spot after a few top players have graduated/moved on and he's taking advantage of his opportunity. And that is all you can really ask.

 

[FLAMESFAN]

Wranglers won big, 5-0 vs Abbottsford lastnight. Wolf stopped all 37 shots and only got 2nd star. Why? Cause Matty Coronato went 2+2!
Anyone know how much longer Poirier is out?

 

[FLAMESFAN]

Wranglers won lastnight 5-1 vs the Knights. Coronato with 2 G, Petterson with 1&2.
Local guy Mark Rassell scores in his 1st game. They go at it again tonight, maybe Kylington is in?

So, here's a trivia question for you guys: Taking into account the Wranglers long, storied year & a half, who holds the record for the most points? Don't look it up, just try and answer. I'll post the answer later tonight.

 

[FLAMESFAN]

No takers?
You might think that after the season Phillips had lastyear (76 points) that he still has the most points as a Wrangler. That would be wrong.
You might think Zary...he did put up 63 lastyear, and another 10 this year for total of 73
You might think Petterson, especially after getting 3 more lastnight. He's now at 44+26= 70 total points.
It's actually Ben Jones. He put up 54 lastyear and another 23 this year so far for 77 points, which is currently the most ever as a Wrangler 2.0

 

[Bounces R Way]

Wranglers pickup a 1-0 win at home in the shootout over Henderson.
Wolf made 35 saves and stopped all 3 in the shootout for the shutout.
MEP I really liked, not many others stood out either way. Coronato had some chances. Lyle is looking like a quality pickup.

It's actually Ben Jones. He put up 54 lastyear and another 23 this year so far for 77 points, which is currently the most ever as a Wrangler 2.0

Wonder if the Flames give him a look after the deadline. Only 24 years old. Good size and speed with some decent production.

 

[Lunatik]

maybe Kylington is in?

Sounds like he's with the Wranglers to practice and not play. My gut says this is an effort to keep him practicing daily without having to travel since we only have 1 home game in the first half of the month. I suspect after this conditioning stint he practices with the big club for a little before accepting a second conditioning stint just before the all-star break getting him a chance to pay 4-5 games before the AHL all-star break

 

[FLAMESFAN]

Wranglers pickup a 1-0 win at home in the shootout over Henderson.
Wolf made 35 saves and stopped all 3 in the shootout for the shutout.
MEP I really liked, not many others stood out either way. Coronato had some chances. Lyle is looking like a quality pickup.



Wonder if the Flames give him a look after the deadline. Only 24 years old. Good size and speed with some decent production.

I remember him saying early lastyear that he really wanted another taste of the NHL. I'd like to see him rewarded with a couple games late, would also give the club a better idea on if they resign him for next year. With Honzek & Poirier being our only "A" prospects there next year, they might need some extra Vet help.

 

[FLAMESFAN]

Sounds like he's with the Wranglers to practice and not play. My gut says this is an effort to keep him practicing daily without having to travel since we only have 1 home game in the first half of the month. I suspect after this conditioning stint he practices with the big club for a little before accepting a second conditioning stint just before the all-star break getting him a chance to pay 4-5 games before the AHL all-star break

Ya, I don't think he'd be traveling with the Flames for a bit yet. Even the Wranglers are home for awhile, starting a road trip on the 19th. We'll see if he gets in a game later this week.

 

[FLAMESFAN]

Wranglers are 5-9 so far in 2024, and the team has gone from Division lead to barely hanging onto 3rd.
Roster is a constant carousel, and lastnight they had like 4 ECHLers on the roster

Lastnight they still outshot San Diego 16-4 in the 1st P, but it were losing 2-0
Obviously this is a different team when Wolf is not there, but they really need Hunt & Poirier back. Hopefully Schwindt is sent back down soon too.

 

[SaintMorose]

15 shots from Coronato, Jones, and Kerins is encouraging at least, hopefully Kerins can step up with all the movement as the other 2 are good candidates if we trade (or lose to injury / waivers / courts) another forward before the deadline.

 

[FLAMESFAN]

Make that B2B disappointing losses. Wranglers outshot the Gulls 49-18 and somehow lost 7-4.

Seems Dansk is in a funk and they don't have the confidence yet in going to the 3rd guy (Connor Murphy).

If Wolf is up for good we'll need a depth Vet G in any trade to help out on the farm.

2 wins in their last 10 games, man the season has taken a turn.....

 

[Lunatik]

Make that B2B disappointing losses. Wranglers outshot the Gulls 49-18 and somehow lost 7-4.

Seems Dansk is in a funk and they don't have the confidence yet in going to the 3rd guy (Connor Murphy).

If Wolf is up for good we'll need a depth Vet G in any trade to help out on the farm.

2 wins in their last 10 games, man the season has taken a turn.....

Not a shock.

Even with Wolf they're down their top D pairing (Poirier & DeSimone) and basically an entire top line (Zary, Pelletier, Hunt) and 4 of their top 6 forwards (also Schwindt) because of player transactions for the Flames and injuries on both the Flames and Wranglers.

What's unfortunate is they're not getting a bunch of bodies back from the NHL club at the deadline so they are playoff eligible. I'd love for Zary and Pelletier to get papered down at the deadline to make them eligible. But bringing them back up afterwards would use 2/3 of our post-deadline transactions.

 

[FLAMESFAN]

Not a shock.

Even with Wolf they're down their top D pairing (Poirier & DeSimone) and basically an entire top line (Zary, Pelletier, Hunt) and 4 of their top 6 forwards (also Schwindt) because of player transactions for the Flames and injuries on both the Flames and Wranglers.

What's unfortunate is they're not getting a bunch of bodies back from the NHL club at the deadline so they are playoff eligible. I'd love for Zary and Pelletier to get papered down at the deadline to make them eligible. But bringing them back up afterwards would use 2/3 of our post-deadline transactions.

Sure but the single biggest factor right now is Wolf.

They've dealt with the callups & injury all year and were still able to win. These last 2 games they totally outshot SD and lost bad to a bad team.
Dansk has had some good stretches, particulary earlier in the season. But he's getting lit up right now.