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I like Duhaime, but it must be hard to argue with a straight face that his 10 point season deserves a big raise. I think he gets a 3 x 1.5M contract which buys out two UFA years. I think he is more skilled than his point total suggests, and his speed and physicality are needed on the team, though he really should stop fighting.
Addison should get a bit, but i can see him being more difficult to sign. It might seem to him that Dean has sabotaged his value by benching him, and that some other team might value him more. A one year, 1.2M "prove it" deal?

Gus is a more difficult one, but he didn't play full starter's minutes last season, and when they talk value they take into consideration the previous two years, I believe, to eliminate the "flash in a pan" factor. His season in OTT was pretty trash. I'd try to get him at 2 x 3.5M.... I don't think they can afford to go longer.

All those contracts together should allow them to sneak under the cap, assuming that Rossi/Walker/Beckman makes the team.
 
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57special said:
I like Duhaime, but it must be hard to argue with a straight face that his 10 point season deserves a big raise. I think he gets a 3 x 1.5M contract which buys out two UFA years. I think he is more skilled than his point total suggests, and his speed and physicality are needed on the team, though he really should stop fighting.
Addison should get a bit, but i can see him being more difficult to sign. It might seem to him that Dean has sabotaged his value by benching him, and that some other team might value him more. A one year, 1.2M "prove it" deal?

Gus is a more difficult one, but he didn't play full starter's minutes last season, and when they talk value they take into consideration the previous two years, I believe, to eliminate the "flash in a pan" factor. His season in OTT was pretty trash. I'd try to get him at 2 x 3.5M.... I don't think they can afford to go longer.

All those contracts together should allow them to sneak under the cap, assuming that Rossi/Walker/Beckman makes the team.
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Duhaime and Addison shouldn't get more than $900k each.
-Duhaime missed ~30 games due to injuries last year, it hurts him payday.
-Addison was benched and ended up as the 8th or 9th d-man when the Playoffs started.
-Dewar got $800k last year and is a more important part of the team.
 
Wabit said:
Duhaime and Addison shouldn't get more than $900k each.
-Duhaime missed ~30 games due to injuries last year, it hurts him payday.
-Addison was benched and ended up as the 8th or 9th d-man when the Playoffs started.
-Dewar got $800k last year and is a more important part of the team.
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in a vacuum, yes, but in reality, once you get past your ELC you get a raise. Once you start buying out UFA years, you get another bump. Duhaime is 26 yo, and IMO would easily get 1.5-2M on an open market.
Hey, they can always give him a one year, 1M contract, but he would then be able to make himself available to the entire league next summer. I betcha he gets way more than 900K. Who replaces his speed, size, and physicality in the lineup? Milne is 3" shorter, and is just barely keeping up with the physicality of the AHL. Walker, Beckman are lightweights, etc.

Addison led all rookie Dmen in P/PG. He's obviously got talent, and there also seems to be a disconnect between him and the coaching staff. I can easily see him getting 1.5M/yr with another team if they decide to trade his RFA rights. I can also see him being disappointed that the team brought in Klingberg, who basically made the same mistakes that he did, yet was paid 7 times the amount.

Dewar is on a ELC contract, just like the other two were. He will also get a raise when he becomes a RFA, assuming that the team wants to keep him. Comparing him to Duhaime and Addison right now, when they are at different places in the salary structure, is comparing apples to oranges.
 
Reaves got 1.3M and I'd rather have Duhaime. I could see him anywhere from 1-1.5 in UFA. 2M is excessive though.
 
57special said:
in a vacuum, yes, but in reality, once you get past your ELC you get a raise. Once you start buying out UFA years, you get another bump. Duhaime is 26 yo, and IMO would easily get 1.5-2M on an open market.
Hey, they can always give him a one year, 1M contract, but he would then be able to make himself available to the entire league next summer. I betcha he gets way more than 900K. Who replaces his speed, size, and physicality in the lineup? Milne is 3" shorter, and is just barely keeping up with the physicality of the AHL. Walker, Beckman are lightweights, etc.

Addison led all rookie Dmen in P/PG. He's obviously got talent, and there also seems to be a disconnect between him and the coaching staff. I can easily see him getting 1.5M/yr with another team if they decide to trade his RFA rights. I can also see him being disappointed that the team brought in Klingberg, who basically made the same mistakes that he did, yet was paid 7 times the amount.

Dewar is on a ELC contract, just like the other two were. He will also get a raise when he becomes a RFA, assuming that the team wants to keep him. Comparing him to Duhaime and Addison right now, when they are at different places in the salary structure, is comparing apples to oranges.
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Dewar is on his 2nd contract. Duhaime is entering his 3rd contract. Addison is going into his 2nd contract.

If Duhaime is lost in a year it's not an issue to me. He's fine for a cheap 4th line filler. He's not fine for anything higher in the lineup or making bigger money. His speed and size are nice to have, but he; not a player I'd lose sleep over if he walks as a FA.

The only thing Addison has going for him is riding off the coat tails of Kap, Zucc, Boldy, and JEE on the PP.

I see maybe 5 teams (all bottom feeders) that might be interested in Addison. The rest all have someone as good or better to run the point on PP1, and aren't completely lost 5v5. The league (as a whole) isn't interested in (non-elite) small d-men. Last year 12 d-men 5'-10" or less that played at least (41 games) half a season (33 total 5'11 of shorter).
 
Dr Jan Itor said:
Gaudreau got $2.1M and he's a much better player at a more premium position.
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Gaudreau could have gotten more too if he opted for the UFA route. There were people speculating upwards of 4M here.
 
AKL said:
Gaudreau could have gotten more too if he opted for the UFA route. There were people speculating upwards of 4M here.
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It's also a 5 year contract (he just turned 30) with a 15 team NTC. The total ($10.5m) is on par with the 3 x $3m-$4m range I speculated he could have gotten at the time.
 
Dr Jan Itor said:
So Duhaime takes a good deal for us or he can opt for the UFA route. I have no problem with that.
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Sure but then we need to give him more term, probably. He's not going to take a "good deal for us" on a 1 or 2 year contract.
 
AKL said:
Sure but then we need to give him more term, probably. He's not going to take a "good deal for us" on a 1 or 2 year contract.
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Then he can go away. I'm not going to lose a ton of sleep over a 26 year old 16-17 point 4th liner that isn't a go-to penalty killer.
 
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Sure but then we need to give him more term, probably. He's not going to take a "good deal for us" on a 1 or 2 year contract.
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A 1 year deal he might. He can walk away as a UFA and the cap "should" jump up after this season.
 
Every little bit counts right now.

Give Duhaime $1.5M, plug Walker in at $855k and let's say Shaw gets $800k (same as Dewar), and we're down to $4.2M for Addison and Gustavsson. Even if you can squeeze Addison to $1M, that's $3.2M for Gustavsson with no wiggle room. Get Duhaime at $1M and now at least it's $3.5M for Gustavsson and $1.2M for Addison, if necessary.

All that said, I would definitely be on board with trading Foligno to make more room and then maybe Duhaime could get a little more than he deserves if there was more term attached.
 
Addison can get only $400k and he’d still be an awful fit here. He’s marginally better than Spurgeon or Goligoski on the PP and is a complete sieve at 5v5. We can’t carry two midget RHDs and expect to be a serious NHL team.
 
MNRube said:
Addison can get only $400k and he’d still be an awful fit here. He’s marginally better than Spurgeon or Goligoski on the PP and is a complete sieve at 5v5. We can’t carry two midget RHDs and expect to be a serious NHL team.
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I don’t see a path where we can afford to send Addison out without a RD coming back unless we want Merrill-Goligoski to be our third pair all year. I was open to something like Kovacevic+3rd for Addison+5th at the draft, but that was mostly frowned upon by other posters.

If we just trade Addison, I hope it’s because a prospect like Spacek has earned a spot.
 
Most likely Duhaime's just posturing for term to get 1 shot at free agency in his 20s. Guerin probably wants 3-4 years at ~1M, arbitration keeps that term 1-2. In my eyes in terms of on-ice performance Duhaime and Foligno are pretty even at this point, and after the playoffs I'm not sure officials will call the 2 much differently, as Foligno has had much more leeway the past couple regular seasons.
 
MNRube said:
Addison can get only $400k and he’d still be an awful fit here. He’s marginally better than Spurgeon or Goligoski on the PP and is a complete sieve at 5v5. We can’t carry two midget RHDs and expect to be a serious NHL team.
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Do you think trading Addison makes us a serious NHL team this year?
 
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I'm surprised there isn't more discussion regarding a potential extension for Zuccarello or more info on Hartman or Foligno. Are we going into the season without an extension in place for any of them?
 
thestonedkoala said:
I'm surprised there isn't more discussion regarding a potential extension for Zuccarello or more info on Hartman or Foligno. Are we going into the season without an extension in place for any of them?
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Zucc will be 36 and Foligno 32 before this season starts. I'm fine waiting until later in the year to worry about re-signing them.

Hartman will be 29 and is probably due a nice raise after the last 2 seasons of riding Kap's coat tails.
 
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I'm surprised there isn't more discussion regarding a potential extension for Zuccarello or more info on Hartman or Foligno. Are we going into the season without an extension in place for any of them?
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Man, I hope so.
I'm not sure how smart it is to sign any of them beyond this season. Hartman is the only one I'd definitely like back for a few more seasons, but he'll be due enough of a raise that he probably won't live up to his next contract, and the Wild probably can't afford it anyway.
 
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