Speculation: 2023-24-25 Sharks Roster Discussion

Guys like Kovavevic that seemingly come from nowhere scare me. He might be RH Jake Middleton and needed lots of time to develop, but I also am terrified of giving money and term to that profile because it seemingly will bust more often than it booms.

If you can do 4 years ~$4.5M AAV (using a slight bump on the Chatfield deal from this past summer), I'll sign up for that as it's something you can get out from after 2 years if need be. If it's longer/more expensive, might be better to let someone else take on the risk.
Kovacevic isn't actually a completely come out of nowhere guy. He was good in Montreal in increasingly tougher minutes. He's just taken on a larger role in NJ. I wouldn't be too concerned with getting him, especially in the price range you're talking about.
 
I anticipate that Boston may ask for Will Smith in return for McAvoy if they're truly entering a rebuild. Is that a price we would be willing to pay? Pretty steep...
Realistically you're probably right, and realistically he probably wouldn't waive... but it's fun to think about.
 
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Looks like Pickles wrote up his own section of the Sharks Quarter Century Team.

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I'd totally claim Saad. Once we trade Granlund, we'll have only 7 forwards that can hang offensively in a top-9 role and will need more. Even if he flops it's not a big deal.
Agreed. Still pretty fast, has always been defensively solid I think?, and can score goals. He would fit well with Smith as Will shifts back to center after the TDL (basically what Warso wanted from Goodrow, which did not work out to say the least).
 
Yeah, he's Toffoli-adjacent, can skate and can score. I don't hate it. It does feel like we have so many forwards though.
Any halfway decent forward that we can sign is gonna want term. Getting a decent top 9 guy for only one more additional year is perfect. By the end of next year I imagine more premium free agents would be more interested in playing on this team.
 
I forgot about Sabourin. Good call. I fully expect Grier to put in a claim. I expect he'll be busy at the TDL moving the vets in their final year and he'll need some vet experience to replace em. Playing him on the second line would mean moving Zetterlund back to 3 which I think is his best fit for the time.
I can see them wanting the veteran experience but I don't know if they want to invest the extra year. I also wouldn't move Zetterlund down for Saad when Zetterlund is producing much more than Saad is this season. If you're going to claim Saad, put him on the 3rd line with Wennberg and Kovalenko and make him earn his way up. Pushes Kunin back down to the 4th and you scratch either White or Duehr since they don't have the will to scratch Goodrow.
 
Any halfway decent forward that we can sign is gonna want term. Getting a decent top 9 guy for only one more additional year is perfect. By the end of next year I imagine more premium free agents would be more interested in playing on this team.

Yeah, I think it’s a pretty solid add and a top 9 of:

Eklund - Celebrini - Toffoli
Saad - Smith - Zetterlund
Graf? - Wennberg - Kovalenko

…is pretty okay. I think in a perfect world though, Saad is on the 3rd line with Wennberg and we get another top 6 guy in FA.
 
I can see them wanting the veteran experience but I don't know if they want to invest the extra year. I also wouldn't move Zetterlund down for Saad when Zetterlund is producing much more than Saad is this season. If you're going to claim Saad, put him on the 3rd line with Wennberg and Kovalenko and make him earn his way up. Pushes Kunin back down to the 4th and you scratch either White or Duehr since they don't have the will to scratch Goodrow.
Either or with Zetts or Saad, it would be nice to have options for a change. The extra year is nice because that's one less roster spot Grier would have to fill in free agency. If not him then it would be someone like him for at least two years regardless.

Yeah, I think it’s a pretty solid add and a top 9 of:

Eklund - Celebrini - Toffoli
Saad - Smith - Zetterlund
Graf? - Wennberg - Kovalenko

…is pretty okay. I think in a perfect world though, Saad is on the 3rd line with Wennberg and we get another top 6 guy in FA.
Until 26-27 we're not gonna have a ton of options in free agency in terms of premium guys and i don't know how much Grier is ready to fasttrack things by trading a Musty or someone for some more immediate help. We could do a lot worse than a Saad, Wennberg, Kovy third line.
 
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Saad still had 26 goals last year -- is he significantly worse this year?

If there's a Kunin trade in the works, I think a Kovalenko - Wennberg - Saad line would be pretty nice. Alternatively, you put Kunin on your 4th line and sit Duehr or White or whoever.

That said, I'm not sure we need him and I don't know what he's been like lately.
Part of that is the Blues put Holloway/Neighbors in his spot and pushed Saad to a Gambrell caliber 3C. Think Saad could be a solid running mate with a one of the kids as he knows how to play and would lengthen the scoring a bit.

Won't be mad if we don't claim him given the extra year on his deal, but think he' closer to the guy from last year than this year. Never been a guy that can truly carry a line at any time in his career, so STL expecting him to do that on one of the worst bottom 6 center groups in the league is wild.
 
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Kovacevic isn't actually a completely come out of nowhere guy. He was good in Montreal in increasingly tougher minutes. He's just taken on a larger role in NJ. I wouldn't be too concerned with getting him, especially in the price range you're talking about.
He was playing 16:30 a night on a bad MTL team at 26 years old last year and dealt for a 4th rounder. Not exactly the profile of a known commodity.

I think he's getting carried more being on a super talented team that has a super competent D group where he can just keep it super simple in his end and be big and take away space as a #5 D-Man.
 
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Part of that is the Blues put Holloway/Neighbors in his spot and pushed Saad to a Gambrell caliber 3C. Think Saad could be a solid running mate with a one of the kids as he knows how to play and would lengthen the scoring a bit.

Won't be mad if we don't claim him given the extra year on his deal, but think he' closer to the guy from last year than this year. Never been a guy that can truly carry a line at any time in his career, so STL expecting him to do that on one of the worst bottom 6 center groups in the league is wild.

Yeah, I think ESPECIALLY if we trade Granlund, having Saad and Toffoli as top 6/9 vets would be really handy. Honestly, even if Granny stays, it does give us 3 lines that can legitimately score. Defense is still awful but it’s a pretty good group of forwards to help our young guys along.
 
Either or with Zetts or Saad, it would be nice to have options for a change. The extra year is nice because that's one less roster spot Grier would have to fill in free agency. If not him then it would be someone like him for at least two years regardless.
I think we can afford to be a bit more picky with who we want for next season when we will have some wingers turning pro and guys like Graf who have potential and versatility if he fills out a little more.
 
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Yeah, I think ESPECIALLY if we trade Granlund, having Saad and Toffoli as top 6/9 vets would be really handy. Honestly, even if Granny stays, it does give us 3 lines that can legitimately score. Defense is still awful but it’s a pretty good group of forwards to help our young guys along.
Because of that, I'd imagine that Chicago is going to look to put in a claim to reunite him with the original team and do something similar after trading away Hall. Not sure if points percentage or just points is used to determine waiver order. Would determine if we have 1st priority or 2nd priority behind Chicago.

I don't see any of the young forwards ready to play full time top 9 roles next year, so Saad could be useful if there is anything in the tank. Wouldn't be a bad gamble as you can always waive him again if he's completely cooked.

Best case scenario is you tap into the player he was last year and deal him at 50% retention next deadline for a pick. Worst case, he's cooked and you buy him out this summer for minimal 2026-27 pain.
 
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While true, how many are going to want term?
Probably most of them. Ehlers is the only guy that I'd consider giving any sort of money/term to from this UFA group (assuming Rantanen isn't happening - which I'd suspect to be the case). And even Ehlers doesn't really fit as a slighter framed guy given our top 2 centers are also on the slighter build spectrum and our best winger isn't exactly a big body (Eklund).

Think Saad could be a nice stopgap piece to fill in for a year and step into a mentor role as a 2x Cup winner that's played a lot of solid hockey in his career. May even be able to teach Musty some stuff that he can use to round out his overall game more.
 
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Probably most of them. Ehlers is the only guy that I'd consider giving any sort of money/term to from this UFA group (assuming Rantanen isn't happening - which I'd suspect to be the case). And even Ehlers doesn't really fit as a slighter framed guy given our top 2 centers are also on the slighter build spectrum and our best winger isn't exactly a big body (Eklund).

Think Saad could be a nice stopgap piece to fill in for a year and step into a mentor role as a 2x Cup winner that's played a lot of solid hockey in his career. May even be able to teach Musty some stuff that he can use to round out his overall game more.
Extremely ironically, Saad has long been a Musty comparison.
 
Saad could be a decent tradable asset next year when his contract is in its final year if the sharks are done with him.
He could be but a lot of guys that end up on waivers don't rebound into a tradeable asset. It'll be harder for the Sharks when they'll have one retention slot to use and any of Ferraro, Liljegren, Walman, and Wennberg to use it on.

While true, how many are going to want term?
Even if they all want term, it would be okay to pass on it. I think Graf is close enough to keep a top-9 winger spot open for him to compete for while giving something to dangle in front of all the rookie pro wingers we'll have.
 
Probably most of them. Ehlers is the only guy that I'd consider giving any sort of money/term to from this UFA group (assuming Rantanen isn't happening - which I'd suspect to be the case). And even Ehlers doesn't really fit as a slighter framed guy given our top 2 centers are also on the slighter build spectrum and our best winger isn't exactly a big body (Eklund).

Think Saad could be a nice stopgap piece to fill in for a year and step into a mentor role as a 2x Cup winner that's played a lot of solid hockey in his career. May even be able to teach Musty some stuff that he can use to round out his overall game more.
I agree. Last year he put up nearly 30. With time and opportunity, I don't see why he couldn't do so again next year if he's playing on the second line (big if).
 
Because of that, I'd imagine that Chicago is going to look to put in a claim to reunite him with the original team and do something similar after trading away Hall. Not sure if points percentage or just points is used to determine waiver order. Would determine if we have 1st priority or 2nd priority behind Chicago.

I don't see any of the young forwards ready to play full time top 9 roles next year, so Saad could be useful if there is anything in the tank. Wouldn't be a bad gamble as you can always waive him again if he's completely cooked.

Best case scenario is you tap into the player he was last year and deal him at 50% retention next deadline for a pick. Worst case, he's cooked and you buy him out this summer for minimal 2026-27 pain.
Points are the priority, not points percentage.
 

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