Speculation: 2023-24-25 Sharks Roster Discussion

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Our top 4 defensemen for this season were all acquired this year
It's not impossible but I would feel better going into the offseason with Walman-Ceci and Ferraro-Liljegren as our projected 2nd and 3rd pairs so we only need to bring in two clear top 4 options.

That said, only Grier and his staff know who is or will be available via trade so if they decide to move Ferraro and/or Ceci I assume they're confident they can bring in 3-4 NHL defensemen.
 
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Our top 4 defensemen for this season were all acquired this year
Ceci, Walman, Liljigen and ???

It's not impossible but I would feel better going into the offseason with Walman-Ceci and Ferraro-Liljegren as our projected 2nd and 3rd pairs so we only need to bring in two clear top 4 options.

That said, only Grier and his staff know who is or will be available via trade so if they decide to move Ferraro and/or Ceci I assume they're confident they can bring in 3-4 NHL defensemen.
This is correct. The issue isn't our depth at D, it's that the team has no top pairing guys forcing everyone to play up.
 
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I mean if they manage to sign Ceci to a okay deal that has like 2-3 years term, it's fine.
Trade Ferraro and go for two top 4 defencemen.
Pionk and Pettersson comes to mind right now, but it could anyway around:

Walman - Pionk
Pettersson - Ceci
Rookie - Liljegren

or

Pettersson - Pionk
Walman - Ceci
Rookie - Liljegren

It looks a lot better imo, but it's easier said than done.
 
It's not impossible but I would feel better going into the offseason with Walman-Ceci and Ferraro-Liljegren as our projected 2nd and 3rd pairs so we only need to bring in two clear top 4 options.

That said, only Grier and his staff know who is or will be available via trade so if they decide to move Ferraro and/or Ceci I assume they're confident they can bring in 3-4 NHL defensemen.
If I could only choose one, I'd easily keep Ceci over Ferraro. Bottom pairing LHD are literally a dime a dozen.
 
I think plugging two teenage defensemen into an already weak d-core without any real mentor and a potential building block goalie getting his first taste at real starter time is grounds for disaster.
Maybe but that group has room to grow with the teenage defensemen. This group doesn't. They are what they are. As a rebuilding team, we should be bringing in our top young players and surrounding them with quality veterans as are available to us and expect to lose until the young developing talent makes it their team.
 
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The only way the Sharks are going to have a better defense next year is by opening up a slot on the left side and acquiring someone better to push Walman down. Otherwise you're going to have Walman and Ferraro occupying the top two spots on the left side, Liljegren on the right side, and that's half of your top 4 being the same guys that aren't good enough this year.
I think we swing a trade for Byram, personally. Seems like the profile of D-Man that Grier is looking for and think he would gel really well with Macklin based on the stories that came out when he got to Buffalo re: being shocked at how bad their practice habits were and just expecting more after being part of the Avs operation for the first part of his career. Fits the profile there, age wise, and skillset.

We've seen Grier not be afraid to be aggressive in deals like that, and I'd expect him to make a move for a core member of the D-group before next season. Also think he knows that he doesn't get unlimited time to keep chipping away at the bottom of the league. Don't expect him to do something silly and go mortgage the future, but think we see some of the draft assets and prospects turned into immediate roster help now that we are seeing who is going to be part of this core (Celebrini, Smith, Eklund, 2025 1st rounder, Askarov, and maybe Dickinson and Zetterlund).

I'd do a Forward Prospect (Bystedt, Musty, Chernyshov, Halttunen, etc,), Ferraro, and whatever we get back for Granlund package for Byram and lock him up at 7-8 years $7.5M per year.
 
I think we swing a trade for Byram, personally. Seems like the profile of D-Man that Grier is looking for and think he would gel really well with Macklin based on the stories that came out when he got to Buffalo re: being shocked at how bad their practice habits were and just expecting more after being part of the Avs operation for the first part of his career. Fits the profile there, age wise, and skillset.

We've seen Grier not be afraid to be aggressive in deals like that, and I'd expect him to make a move for a core member of the D-group before next season. Also think he knows that he doesn't get unlimited time to keep chipping away at the bottom of the league. Don't expect him to do something silly and go mortgage the future, but think we see some of the draft assets and prospects turned into immediate roster help now that we are seeing who is going to be part of this core (Celebrini, Smith, Eklund, 2025 1st rounder, Askarov, and maybe Dickinson and Zetterlund).

I'd do a Forward Prospect (Bystedt, Musty, Chernyshov, Halttunen, etc,), Ferraro, and whatever we get back for Granlund package for Byram and lock him up at 7-8 years $7.5M per year.
Byram is someone I'd definitely go after if we don't land Schaefer. He's talked big game about wanting to be the #1 Guy on his team, here's about the only place he'd have a chance to do that.
 
I wonder if there's any world in which Boston shops Charlie McAvoy. He's underperforming his contract and they look like they're headed for rebuild...
McAvoy I hadn’t considered but I was looking at both Nurse or Seth Jones. I know those contracts are horrible but they would be better than any D we have this season. Both could be available for free. I doubt they would waive but they maybe could be convinced the teams long term future is better.
 
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McAvoy I hadn’t considered but I was looking at both Nurse or Seth Jones. I know those contracts are horrible but they would be better than any D we have this season. Both could be available for free. I doubt they would waive but they maybe could be convinced the teams long term future is better.
Woof!
 
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McAvoy I hadn’t considered but I was looking at both Nurse or Seth Jones. I know those contracts are horrible but they would be better than any D we have this season. Both could be available for free. I doubt they would waive but they maybe could be convinced the teams long term future is better.
Seth Jones is the only one I would give a thought price wise (If Chicago wants to dump him for nothing and Jones waives for new scenery)
I'm not going to count McAvoy as an option, because of his price.
Jones has 4 years after this year, can play a lot minutes as an RD and fits the timeline when we would probably have to sign a big contract defencemen (If we draft Schaefer, re-sign Dickinson or both).

I mean he's not a gamechanger as an RD, but I think he could easily be the best defencemen for the young Sharks playing tough minutes and maybe even finding his groove better here. Maybe Celebrini and crew can unleash him better.

My only wish is don't acquire Nurse... at any cost.
 
Per PuckPedia, Kesselring isn't an FA until 2026, and they've got tons of cap space besides.

Kovacevic would be a good target assuming we believe that his play this year is for real. I don't have any strong opinions one way or the other right now, but would assume that Grier's pro scouts would be closely evaluating this.

I wonder if there's any world in which Boston shops Charlie McAvoy. He's underperforming his contract and they look like they're headed for rebuild...
Kesselring feels like one of those players Utah values more than he's probably worth in terms of a trade so I doubt that happens.
 
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Per PuckPedia, Kesselring isn't an FA until 2026, and they've got tons of cap space besides.

Kovacevic would be a good target assuming we believe that his play this year is for real. I don't have any strong opinions one way or the other right now, but would assume that Grier's pro scouts would be closely evaluating this.

I wonder if there's any world in which Boston shops Charlie McAvoy. He's underperforming his contract and they look like they're headed for rebuild...
Guys like Kovavevic that seemingly come from nowhere scare me. He might be RH Jake Middleton and needed lots of time to develop, but I also am terrified of giving money and term to that profile because it seemingly will bust more often than it booms.

If you can do 4 years ~$4.5M AAV (using a slight bump on the Chatfield deal from this past summer), I'll sign up for that as it's something you can get out from after 2 years if need be. If it's longer/more expensive, might be better to let someone else take on the risk.
 
McAvoy I hadn’t considered but I was looking at both Nurse or Seth Jones. I know those contracts are horrible but they would be better than any D we have this season. Both could be available for free. I doubt they would waive but they maybe could be convinced the teams long term future is better.
Absolutely not. McAvoy is overpaid a little but he's still a 27 year old top pairing RHD. Jones is not a top-4 D at all (on top of being 30) and Nurse is a middle-pairing LHD signed until the end of time, where we already have a log-jam.


Guys like Kovavevic that seemingly come from nowhere scare me. He might be RH Jake Middleton and needed lots of time to develop, but I also am terrified of giving money and term to that profile because it seemingly will bust more often than it booms.

If you can do 4 years ~$4.5M AAV (using a slight bump on the Chatfield deal from this past summer), I'll sign up for that as it's something you can get out from after 2 years if need be. If it's longer/more expensive, might be better to let someone else take on the risk.
They scare me too some, but that's what I mean that Grier's staff will have to do a ton of homework to make sure he's the guy. He's probably looking for the best contract he can get, and that's the only reason he might sign here.
 
Guys like Kovavevic that seemingly come from nowhere scare me. He might be RH Jake Middleton and needed lots of time to develop, but I also am terrified of giving money and term to that profile because it seemingly will bust more often than it booms.

If you can do 4 years ~$4.5M AAV (using a slight bump on the Chatfield deal from this past summer), I'll sign up for that as it's something you can get out from after 2 years if need be. If it's longer/more expensive, might be better to let someone else take on the risk.guy
I think the goal should be to do what New Jersey did and find the undervalued fully cooked guy on another team and sign him for a deal rather than getting into a long-term deal with a guy who doesn't have an established track record. If you want to go long-term on someone, make sure you're paying market value on him so that you can trade him later without having to burn a retention slot.
 
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I would take him for veteran presence, also he has another year. Now that we have to trade bunch of UFA's at the TDL.
 
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Saad still had 26 goals last year -- is he significantly worse this year?

If there's a Kunin trade in the works, I think a Kovalenko - Wennberg - Saad line would be pretty nice. Alternatively, you put Kunin on your 4th line and sit Duehr or White or whoever.

That said, I'm not sure we need him and I don't know what he's been like lately.
 
Absolutely not. McAvoy is overpaid a little but he's still a 27 year old top pairing RHD. Jones is not a top-4 D at all (on top of being 30) and Nurse is a middle-pairing LHD signed until the end of time, where we already have a log-jam.



They scare me too some, but that's what I mean that Grier's staff will have to do a ton of homework to make sure he's the guy. He's probably looking for the best contract he can get, and that's the only reason he might sign here.
I anticipate that Boston may ask for Will Smith in return for McAvoy if they're truly entering a rebuild. Is that a price we would be willing to pay? Pretty steep...
 
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He’s someone Grier would love because he’s got term. Problem is who do you take off the roster right now?
Sabourin and White could easily be sent down. I assume you mean when all FWs are healthy which is unlikely to happen before players start getting traded.
 
Chances are they would either send Thompson down or waive Sabourin. I would pass on Saad though.
I forgot about Sabourin. Good call. I fully expect Grier to put in a claim. I expect he'll be busy at the TDL moving the vets in their final year and he'll need some vet experience to replace em. Playing him on the second line would mean moving Zetterlund back to 3 which I think is his best fit for the time.
 

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