Speculation: 2023-24-25 Sharks Roster Discussion

[OrrNumber4]

Gushchin might get another shot. But Bordeleau seems destined to be unqualified at years end.

 

[Boy Hedican]

Bad goaltending, bad coaching, maybe prospects who just aren't as good as believed, I don't know.

Bad owners.

It all starts at the top.

Edit: and 1 min after posting this I saw this

 

[Patty Ice]

I’d rather extend Ceci and Kunin than trade them for 3rds. 2nd id be fine with. I’d rather have Granlund than a late 1st, but if it’s a borderline team (NY, Boston, LA) I think it gets a bit more interesting. Obviously, if any of those guys want out, I’d take lesser value back.

Sturm goes for best pick (guessing 4th/5th), Rutta, a 6th best.

I agree. Good vet presence to go with our talented youth is more important than some mid round picks unlikely to see the light of day.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

I think Sturm, Ceci, Kunin all have trade value. I think Ferraro likely does too though I suspect they'll want to keep him unless they get an offer they can't say no to or Muhk comes in here and outplays him. I don't think Dellandrea or Grundstrom have shown enough to be traded. And obviously, as we've discussed ad nauseum, Granlund is probably the guy we can get the most for.

All this will lead to like a few thirds unless Granlund is traded which, I guess, is whatever.

I think they do but I also think that it's not likely going to be available until much closer to the deadline. The type of players Ceci, Kunin, and Sturm are won't have teams pushing to get a deal done for them sooner rather than later like it is for a goalie or some other non-depth player. I'm very confident Ferraro has value around the league but not enough where someone is going to throw us an offer we can't refuse. I think he's worth a 2nd but that's not enough for me to move him until next year's trade deadline when his contract is expiring. Walman and Ferraro as the top two LHD's makes sense the rest of this season unless the unlikely scenario of both Mukhamadullin and Cagnoni convincing Grier they need NHL time. That seems unlikely unless injuries sort of dictate that for them. Even if Mukhamadullin outplays Ferraro, he's not getting outplayed by Thrun and Vlasic is not likely to outplay him either when he gets healthy enough to play. Dellandrea and Grundstrom are throw-in or depth-for-depth sort of trades but at least Dellandrea kills penalties and can play center in the bottom six in a pinch. He's worth keeping as a depth player. Grundstrom shows some offensive ability but hasn't been used outside of even strength. I'd want to move either him or Kostin first to open up roster or lineup spots for kids earning an opportunity. I just don't think they have any trade value on their own and we don't exactly need to trade for depth either. It'd just be shuffling things around so unless someone is an issue in the room or we're swinging a bigger deal, they're likely to stick around.

Even just getting mid-to-late round picks for some of these guys makes sense for us. We might need one of these picks as a secondary or tertiary asset to get an impact player that can help next year.

I’d rather extend Ceci and Kunin than trade them for 3rds. 2nd id be fine with. I’d rather have Granlund than a late 1st, but if it’s a borderline team (NY, Boston, LA) I think it gets a bit more interesting. Obviously, if any of those guys want out, I’d take lesser value back.

Sturm goes for best pick (guessing 4th/5th), Rutta, a 6th best.

I can see Kunin being willing. He expressed it last year when he was an RFA. I'm sure he's wanting long term security that someone is likely to oblige in free agency. We should probably avoid that and get what we can for him. I have a hard time believing that Ceci would want to extend here. I just don't see what we have to offer him to stay that he can't get elsewhere with better short term odds of competing for a playoff spot. Ideally, if we extended Ceci, he'd be a 3rd pairing RHD to partner with Mukhamadullin or Cagnoni or Thrun. What is that really worth to the team when we'll have options at that spot? Granlund is definitely a tough one. At least with him, extending him makes sense on both sides because it's possible Granlund's value outside here is much less both in terms of trade value and what a team is willing to give him in free agency. We can afford to pay him a lot in the short term and I don't think he's viewed as a missing piece to most competitive teams.

I suspect Sturm goes for what you suggested. I'll be shocked if Rutta gets a draft pick back. We should move him for anything we can at the deadline but if nobody wants him, he's fine as a filler when Ceci is gone and everyone gets moved up on the right side including him. He probably sees time with Walman at that point.

 

[Hobocop]

 

[Lebanezer]

 

[Hobocop]

I was under the impression Pulli was still injured, but maybe he wasn't. Suppose it doesn't matter now.

He was a steady option on defense for the Cuda towards the end of last season, but I don't know that he was going to progress much more than that and our defense is doing very well without him. So, best of luck, Valtteri.

 

[TheBeard]

I was under the impression Pulli was still injured, but maybe he wasn't. Suppose it doesn't matter now.

He was a steady option on defense for the Cuda towards the end of last season, but I don't know that he was going to progress much more than that and our defense is doing very well without him. So, best of luck, Valtteri.

Feels like bad timing with Mukh just called up.

 

[Lebanezer]

I was under the impression Pulli was still injured, but maybe he wasn't. Suppose it doesn't matter now.

He was a steady option on defense for the Cuda towards the end of last season, but I don't know that he was going to progress much more than that and our defense is doing very well without him. So, best of luck, Valtteri.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

Does this put the team at 46 contracts now?

 

[Jargon]

Feels like bad timing with Mukh just called up.

But Thompson is back to take his spot.

 

[Hodge]

Too bad about Pulli, thought he had bottom pair potential based on his size and skating. Hard to win a consistent spot on the Cuda defense when you have LDs Schuldt, Carlsson, Shak, Cagnoni and Furlong ahead of you though.

 

[OrrNumber4]

Amazing to think that Pulli was ever a top-20 prospect for the Sharks. He's regressed a little, but was he ever a decent bet to make the NHL?

 

[Hobocop]

Amazing to think that Pulli was ever a top-20 prospect for the Sharks. He's regressed a little, but was he ever a decent bet to make the NHL?

I thought if he continued progressing this season he might be able to cut it on the third pairing. His improvement over the course of last season was pretty noticeable.

We've now got so many good defensemen (AHL-level defensemen that is) that he doesn't even have a guarantee of Cuda ice time here anymore. If he was healthy right now, he'd be competing with Furlong and Keane for the 6D spot in all likelihood. It doesn't help that he started this season injured while this group got established.

 

[STL Shark]

Amazing to think that Pulli was ever a top-20 prospect for the Sharks. He's regressed a little, but was he ever a decent bet to make the NHL?

No. He was always a massive long shot and lacked puck skills.

 

[jMoneyBrah]

Too bad about Pulli, thought he had bottom pair potential based on his size and skating. Hard to win a consistent spot on the Cuda defense when you have LDs Schuldt, Carlsson, Shak, Cagnoni and Furlong ahead of you though.

It’s been a while since the Sharks hit on NHL talent with Euro UFA signings. Anyone got a bead on the next class of interesting European free agents?

 

[mogambomoroo]

Buy low on Power? He seems to be struggling in Buffalo and with that LD depth it's not getting easier. I could see a Erik Johnson type of a route with being 1st overall and becoming just a solid top 4 defencemen, but also being 1D on young and hungry Sharks team.

If I was Grier I would give it a try.

 

[Jargon]

Buy low on Power? He seems to be struggling in Buffalo and with that LD depth it's not getting easier. I could see a Erik Johnson type of a route with being 1st overall and becoming just a solid top 4 defencemen, but also being 1D on young and hungry Sharks team.

If I was Grier I would give it a try.

I feel like Buffalo is really ripe for the picking right now. The question really is what the hell do they even need?!

 

[Juxtaposer]

I feel like Buffalo is really ripe for the picking right now. The question really is what the hell do they even need?!

They need good players in their primes at premium positions signed long-term. Which probably gives some insight as to why they haven't made any big trades so far.

 

[Jargon]

They need good players in their primes at premium positions signed long-term. Which probably gives some insight as to why they haven't made any big trades so far.

Perhaps they would like #1 defenseman Mario Luigi Ferraro…

Yeah… I feel like we don’t have anything they want.

 

[DarrylshutzSydor]

You might get a 2nd for Granlund, but the rest are all 4th round picks or in Ferraro's case a 6th rounder

 

[TheBeard]

I feel like Buffalo is really ripe for the picking right now. The question really is what the hell do they even need?!

Coincidentally they need D prospects. Power would essentially cost Dickinson.

 

[Beethovens 10th]

Are we sure we can’t hit Buffalo with quantity over quality? Say, Bordeleau (1C upside (in Bolivia)), shifty Russian Daniil “the Hulk” Gushchin, Daddy-Dangles Tristan Robbins, our 3rd round picks in the next 17 drafts, + the rest of the future considerations that we didn’t trade for Walman, which are still chock full of future, which is worth considering, for struggling disappointment Owen Power and their 2026 1st (unprotected cause people in Buffalo are risky like that)?

Just make sure nobody tells them that those guys are all dirty f***in’ Smurfs, hoarded by one Hitler Jr DWJr, that fiend, human trafficker, degenerate doo-doo face

 

[coooldude]

+ the rest of the future considerations that we didn’t trade for Walman, which are still chock full of future, which is worth considering,

This is where I lol'd

 

[Zarzh]

What IS wrong with Buffalo? They’re stacked with prospects, wtf is going on.

It's pretty simple, none of their players do much of anything, they don't hit, win faceoffs, or possess the puck well. Tage has improved defensively supposedly this year but you have a bunch of scorers who play a fair game but don't score enough to overcome their shortcomings. A bit of bad luck with injuries too.