Speculation: 2023-24-25 Sharks Roster Discussion

[tiburon12]

Sorry, I'm not arguing that he isn't relatively slight compared to seasoned NHLers (he is), you just said he was slight based on the ratio of height/weight. I'm only noting that it shouldn't be a concern in the slightest since he's a 22-yo rookie who hasn't had a full year of NHL strength and conditioning.

Check this article about a young Pronger, who was taller and weighed less than Muk at the draft. For reference, in 1996, at age 21/22, he was 6'6 200 (according to his official weight). Pronger is choice for defense

 

[landshark]

Sorry, I'm not arguing that he isn't relatively slight compared to seasoned NHLers (he is), you just said he was slight based on the ratio of height/weight. I'm only noting that it shouldn't be a concern in the slightest since he's a 22-yo rookie who hasn't had a full year of NHL strength and conditioning.

Check this article about a young Pronger, who was taller and weighed less than Muk at the draft. For reference, in 1996, at age 21/22, he was 6'6 200 (according to his official weight). Pronger is choice for defense

But how tall are his elbows?!



"The fact of the matter is his elbows are higher than most
people's elbows. It's not like he raised his elbow to deliver a
blow to the head."

 

[tahoesharksfan]

I think you know in your heart of hearts that the third line is going to feature the dream duo of Luke Kunin and Barclay Goodrow.

This is 100% true. And the fourth line will be a rotating cast of career 12-pointers. But hey! Top two lines will be fun. Smith is probably going to struggle for a while but I’m looking forward to the development.

The truth in these two posts just make me sad…

 

[hotcabbagesoup]

The truth in these two posts just make me sad…

Doesn't make me sad.

It tells me that these two know their stuff. If either of them decide to go past the beat writer type blogging and become real sports personalities, I would 100% support them. Jux could be the next Wojznarovski but for hockey. Her tweets would be JuxBombs!

(I considered KoyoteBombs but that sounds a little too feral like something you step in at Henry Coe)

 

[Star Platinum]

I think you know in your heart of hearts that the third line is going to feature the dream duo of Luke Kunin and Barclay Goodrow.

 

[hockfan1991]

Agreed. Dupont is literally exactly the player we need. I really wish he were eligible sooner than three years away. If we're still this bad in three years, I think most of the fans around here now won't still be.

If we are still bad/terrible in 3 years picking in the top 5. It means we busted on a lot of our forwards.

My projection would be mid to late teens at that point in time.

 

[hockfan1991]

But how tall are his elbows?!



"The fact of the matter is his elbows are higher than most
people's elbows. It's not like he raised his elbow to deliver a
blow to the head."

Forget the elbows, i remember Pronger wore a size 7.5 shoe, it was ridiculous. I remember the signs in the arena when we upset them in 7 in 2000 when they won the presidents trophy. Comparying his manhood to his feet lol, it was glorious

 

[Pinkfloyd]

If we are still bad/terrible in 3 years picking in the top 5. It means we busted on a lot of our forwards.

My projection would be mid to late teens at that point in time.

I disagree with this. If we're still bad/terrible in 3 years picking in the top 5, it means we've never successfully addressed the blue line. This team's weakest point since Grier took over is the blue line and typically the guys that take the longest to develop are blue liners. Dickinson may only be finishing his first pro year in three years. We may or may not know what we're getting out of guys like Muk or Cagnoni by then. It's hard to say. Our blue line doesn't have much committed to it and doesn't have a whole lot invested into it from a prospects perspective for such a group that is lacking talent. That group is pivotal for being able to claw one's way out of the bottom.

 

[hockfan1991]

I disagree with this. If we're still bad/terrible in 3 years picking in the top 5, it means we've never successfully addressed the blue line. This team's weakest point since Grier took over is the blue line and typically the guys that take the longest to develop are blue liners. Dickinson may only be finishing his first pro year in three years. We may or may not know what we're getting out of guys like Muk or Cagnoni by then. It's hard to say. Our blue line doesn't have much committed to it and doesn't have a whole lot invested into it from a prospects perspective for such a group that is lacking talent. That group is pivotal for being able to claw one's way out of the bottom.

You believe with our current projections of forwards, if they pan out. in 3 years if they are meeting projections. legit top 6/allstar/ franchise center etc. That we would still be bad enough to pick top 5. Without a top 5 pick in 3 years, i would say top 5 finish this season for sure. Potentially breaking out of the top ten year 2. By after year 3 it would seem we are taking steps back if we continue to pick top 5, as i would have us likely still improving. My point is i think they have an outside shot to compete, be in playoff race late year 3.

I would also think by next summer, and the one after the will be agressive in free agency/trades. I can see them putting a decently competitive roster before all the elcs are up for a year at least. You can add a couple quality D by free agency trade in an offseason.

Boyle Trade/ Blake sign. There will be opportunities, gotta hope this core comes together.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

You believe with our current projections of forwards, if they pan out. in 3 years if they are meeting projections. legit top 6/allstar/ franchise center etc. That we would still be bad enough to pick top 5. Without a top 5 pick in 3 years, i would say top 5 finish this season for sure. Potentially breaking out of the top ten year 2. By after year 3 it would seem we are taking steps back if we continue to pick top 5, as i would have us likely still improving. My point is i think they have an outside shot to compete, be in playoff race late year 3.

I would also think by next summer, and the one after the will be agressive in free agency/trades. I can see them putting a decently competitive roster before all the elcs are up for a year at least. You can add a couple quality D by free agency trade in an offseason.

Boyle Trade/ Blake sign. There will be opportunities, gotta hope this core comes together.

It's very possible. If our blue line continues to be a hodgepodge of bottom pairing defensemen or worse as a group, it can very much drag down the play and productivity of the forwards who may still meet certain projections like that. I agree there will be opportunities to improve the blue line externally but I wouldn't get my hopes up over it. The supply is almost always thin and the Sharks are rarely the ones that benefit.

 

[DG93]

Totally off topic...anyone else having the problem where you get locked out once you go to the main Sharks forum page (but when you open up the individual threads, you're logged in)? Very odd...

 

[weastern bias]

Totally off topic...anyone else having the problem where you get locked out once you go to the main Sharks forum page (but when you open up the individual threads, you're logged in)? Very odd...

You may need to reset your browser links, I think any links that call the "mandatory" domain are now broken

 

[LadyStanley]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1841269805908955276

Make it so.

 

[Juxtaposer]

Zetterlund is one of the few non-star players I'd be down to give a six five or six year contract to keep the AAV down.

 

[vortexy]

I am very intrigued what the term and AAV are going to be for Zetterlund

 

[Juxtaposer]

I am very intrigued what the term and AAV are going to be for Zetterlund

IMO Zetterlund has $5Mx6 written all over him if he has another season similar to last.

 

[Shark Finn]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1841269805908955276

Make it so.

If someone loves this mess, I don't know what they're going to feel when the Sharks are good again. Re-sign this man!

 

[tiburon12]

IMO Zetterlund has $5Mx6 written all over him if he has another season similar to last.

To me that's a major if. definitely a make/break season for him

 

[Juxtaposer]

To me that's a major if. definitely a make/break season for him

Sure, if he doesn't put up 50 points while maintaining his off-puck play, then that's a different story.

 

[tiburon12]

Sure, if he doesn't put up 50 points while maintaining his off-puck play, then that's a different story.

yea, what i mean is that this is the year to prove if last year was a stepping stone or a anomaly. If it's the former, lock him in

 

[Sendhelplease]

I suspect this will be a controversial opinion but I think we should trade Zetterlund instead of re-signing him. I think Zetterlund's value will never be higher than it is right now and that we could likely get a first and a bit more for him in a trade.

 

[gaucholoco3]

I suspect this will be a controversial opinion but I think we should trade Zetterlund instead of re-signing him. I think Zetterlund's value will never be higher than it is right now and that we could likely get a first and a bit more for him in a trade.

It would have to be for similar value as what was given up for Askarov.

I would be more inclined to if Smith and Celebrini struggle since that would delay the timeline.

 

[Hodge]

I suspect this will be a controversial opinion but I think we should trade Zetterlund instead of re-signing him. I think Zetterlund's value will never be higher than it is right now and that we could likely get a first and a bit more for him in a trade.

Why would we trade a 25 year old middle six forward for a pick that has maybe a 15% chance of developing into a similar player in 4-5 years?

 

[Pinkfloyd]

I suspect this will be a controversial opinion but I think we should trade Zetterlund instead of re-signing him. I think Zetterlund's value will never be higher than it is right now and that we could likely get a first and a bit more for him in a trade.

I'm only open to moving Zetterlund if it returns a cornerstone defenseman type. Outside of that, Zetterlund should be kept until we create a situation where we have too many wingers and not enough spots. We're probably two years away from that at the earliest.

 

[Juxtaposer]

I suspect this will be a controversial opinion but I think we should trade Zetterlund instead of re-signing him. I think Zetterlund's value will never be higher than it is right now and that we could likely get a first and a bit more for him in a trade.

You're probably right that his value is higher now than it'll ever be, but aren't we done with the tear down? Why are we moving valuable players out? Who exactly in our system is going to replace Zetterlund? We have no prospects like him, so we'd just be looking for another Zetterlund immediately.